how many of you people are daft?

[bperrin1]

I've been messing around on this site for a couple of days. and I really can't believe that there is so much garbage about shari. I mean, what does anybody want. so the story is that ou wanted to drop girls basketball. it was the last or next to the last year of the big 8. the conference wouldn't let the school drop the sport immediately, which is what the admin wanted to do. rather they demanded that ou give the program a couple of more years before ending the program. to hasten the end they decided not to go after a coach that could build the program, but to hire a high school coach with no college experience. so they hired shari from norman high, expecting her to fail. now this will be the 15th straight ncaa appearance, to go along with 3 final fours, 7(maybe 8- I'm 70 and getting senile), 6 big 12 championships,and 4 conference tourney titles. even more important is 92 (92!!!!) conference all academic and 4 academic all Americas, and a gold medal as the coach of the world games. so her record, nearing 400 wins, hasn't been built with the type of players on some of the other big 12 teams. she won't recruit them. it might be a bit mushy but I would be proud for all of her players to be my grand daughters. also kudos to Castiglione for coming in an making it clear that he was behind the program.when you get to the bottom line, only bill Snyder has done more with less than shari. I'm disappointed this year for sure. but I still know what side the butters on. were fans and we all have a right to be critical, but don't be stupid. we can't get better than shari.

 

[garyeb2]

I've been messing around on this site for a couple of days. and I really can't believe that there is so much garbage about shari. I mean, what does anybody want. so the story is that ou wanted to drop girls basketball. it was the last or next to the last year of the big 8. the conference wouldn't let the school drop the sport immediately, which is what the admin wanted to do. rather they demanded that ou give the program a couple of more years before ending the program. to hasten the end they decided not to go after a coach that could build the program, but to hire a high school coach with no college experience. so they hired shari from norman high, expecting her to fail. now this will be the 15th straight ncaa appearance, to go along with 3 final fours, 7(maybe 8- I'm 70 and getting senile), 6 big 12 championships,and 4 conference tourney titles. even more important is 92 (92!!!!) conference all academic and 4 academic all Americas, and a gold medal as the coach of the world games. so her record, nearing 400 wins, hasn't been built with the type of players on some of the other big 12 teams. she won't recruit them. it might be a bit mushy but I would be proud for all of her players to be my grand daughters. also kudos to Castiglione for coming in an making it clear that he was behind the program.when you get to the bottom line, only bill Snyder has done more with less than shari. I'm disappointed this year for sure. but I still know what side the butters on. were fans and we all have a right to be critical, but don't be stupid. we can't get better than shari.

Don't get so wound up. The majority of the posters probably feel just the same as you. Some don't. We all know the history of the program and Sherri's record.

Let's take a current snapshot. Attendance has dropped about 40% over the last 4 years. Our coach makes $1,000,000 per year which puts her in the top 5 nationally. The budget for women's basketball is probably in the top 10 nationally. The women's program is about $2,000,000 in the red every year.

Results have slipped. Last years team, to their credit, got on a heater at tournament time and made a sweet 16 run. But, they weren't a top 20 team during the season or going into the tournament. This year's team is well outside the top 20. Recruiting has slipped.

A couple of questions. How long does past success make a coach immune from questioning a current situation? Why should the coach get all the credit for past success, but, is immune from critique for failing to meet current expectations?

 

[jerry]

Don't get so wound up. The majority of the posters probably feel just the same as you. Some don't. We all know the history of the program and Sherri's record.

Let's take a current snapshot. Attendance has dropped about 40% over the last 4 years. Our coach makes $1,000,000 per year which puts her in the top 5 nationally. The budget for women's basketball is probably in the top 10 nationally. The women's program is about $2,000,000 in the red every year.

Results have slipped. Last years team, to their credit, got on a heater at tournament time and made a sweet 16 run. But, they weren't a top 20 team during the season or going into the tournament. This year's team is well outside the top 20. Recruiting has slipped.

A couple of questions. How long does past success make a coach immune from questioning a current situation? Why should the coach get all the credit for past success, but, is immune from critique for failing to meet current expectations?

Very well said Gary!!

 

[soonermike22]

Don't get so wound up. The majority of the posters probably feel just the same as you. Some don't. We all know the history of the program and Sherri's record.

Let's take a current snapshot. Attendance has dropped about 40% over the last 4 years. Our coach makes $1,000,000 per year which puts her in the top 5 nationally. The budget for women's basketball is probably in the top 10 nationally. The women's program is about $2,000,000 in the red every year.

Results have slipped. Last years team, to their credit, got on a heater at tournament time and made a sweet 16 run. But, they weren't a top 20 team during the season or going into the tournament. This year's team is well outside the top 20. Recruiting has slipped.

A couple of questions. How long does past success make a coach immune from questioning a current situation? Why should the coach get all the credit for past success, but, is immune from critique for failing to meet current expectations?

Originally Posted by bperrin1 View Post
I've been messing around on this site for a couple of days. and I really can't believe that there is so much garbage about shari. I mean, what does anybody want. so the story is that ou wanted to drop girls basketball. it was the last or next to the last year of the big 8. the conference wouldn't let the school drop the sport immediately, which is what the admin wanted to do. rather they demanded that ou give the program a couple of more years before ending the program. to hasten the end they decided not to go after a coach that could build the program, but to hire a high school coach with no college experience. so they hired shari from norman high, expecting her to fail. now this will be the 15th straight ncaa appearance, to go along with 3 final fours, 7(maybe 8- I'm 70 and getting senile), 6 big 12 championships,and 4 conference tourney titles. even more important is 92 (92!!!!) conference all academic and 4 academic all Americas, and a gold medal as the coach of the world games. so her record, nearing 400 wins, hasn't been built with the type of players on some of the other big 12 teams. she won't recruit them. it might be a bit mushy but I would be proud for all of her players to be my grand daughters. also kudos to Castiglione for coming in an making it clear that he was behind the program.when you get to the bottom line, only bill Snyder has done more with less than shari. I'm disappointed this year for sure. but I still know what side the butters on. were fans and we all have a right to be critical, but don't be stupid. we can't get better than shari.

I can see you are neither a history major, or an accountant. by soonermike

ALSO.....Complaints by the fans concerning a team that is underachieving, and very up and down in effort and results are probably nothing compared to what the coaches say to each other in private.

 

[bperrin1]

actually I taught history for thirty years, and have a masters in history from southern ill u.

 

[DarthSooner]

actually I taught history for thirty years, and have a masters in history from southern ill u.

Obviously grammar wasn't on the top of your list while acquiring a masters degree. BTW Shari is spelled Sherri. Do us a favor and stop messing around on the boards and making nonsense. Everyone's a fan here just frustrated with the performance the last few years.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I've been messing around on this site for a couple of days. and I really can't believe that there is so much garbage about shari. I mean, what does anybody want. so the story is that ou wanted to drop girls basketball. it was the last or next to the last year of the big 8. the conference wouldn't let the school drop the sport immediately, which is what the admin wanted to do. rather they demanded that ou give the program a couple of more years before ending the program. to hasten the end they decided not to go after a coach that could build the program, but to hire a high school coach with no college experience. so they hired shari from norman high, expecting her to fail. now this will be the 15th straight ncaa appearance, to go along with 3 final fours, 7(maybe 8- I'm 70 and getting senile), 6 big 12 championships,and 4 conference tourney titles. even more important is 92 (92!!!!) conference all academic and 4 academic all Americas, and a gold medal as the coach of the world games. so her record, nearing 400 wins, hasn't been built with the type of players on some of the other big 12 teams. she won't recruit them. it might be a bit mushy but I would be proud for all of her players to be my grand daughters. also kudos to Castiglione for coming in an making it clear that he was behind the program.when you get to the bottom line, only bill Snyder has done more with less than shari. I'm disappointed this year for sure. but I still know what side the butters on. were fans and we all have a right to be critical, but don't be stupid. we can't get better than shari.

First, Donnie Duncan was the AD when they almost shut down the womens program and that was in 1990. They didn't hire Sherri until 1996/97. The big 8 ended in the spring of 96, but the big 8 didn't have much say in the University deciding to keep the womens basketball program. The conference didn't care if member institutions dropped a sport, because a bunch of member institutions dropped baseball, wrestling, and other mens sports around that time too. So, your facts on all of that are way off.

The university interviewed other candidates but nobody really wanted the job so they took a chance based off Marita Hynes recommendation to hire Coale and see what happens. It had nothing to do with the university "expecting her to fail", so you are wrong here too.

As for her the rest of your post, yes she's had some success, a lot of success actually. However, as Gary mentioned, her compensation is the 5th highest amongst womens basketball coaches and all 4 ahead of her have won an NC and have won many final 4's. Many coaches below her (aTm, Notre Dame, Stanford, etc.) have won NC's and coached in many final 4s. Basically, we aren't getting much value for the money. To put it simpler, she's overpaid.

That's all most of us are saying.

 

[Big Old Booger]

actually I taught history for thirty years, and have a masters in history from southern ill u.

SIU doesn't have grammar classes or requirements?

 

[SoonerNorm]

First, Donnie Duncan was the AD when they almost shut down the womens program and that was in 1990. They didn't hire Sherri until 1996/97. The big 8 ended in the spring of 96, but the big 8 didn't have much say in the University deciding to keep the womens basketball program. The conference didn't care if member institutions dropped a sport, because a bunch of member institutions dropped baseball, wrestling, and other mens sports around that time too. So, your facts on all of that are way off.

The university interviewed other candidates but nobody really wanted the job so they took a chance based off Marita Hynes recommendation to hire Coale and see what happens. It had nothing to do with the university "expecting her to fail", so you are wrong here too.

As for her the rest of your post, yes she's had some success, a lot of success actually. However, as Gary mentioned, her compensation is the 5th highest amongst womens basketball coaches and all 4 ahead of her have won an NC and have won many final 4's. Many coaches below her (aTm, Notre Dame, Stanford, etc.) have won NC's and coached in many final 4s. Basically, we aren't getting much value for the money. To put it simpler, she's overpaid.

That's all most of us are saying.

Good post. If I remember correctly, the OU program was in arguably better shape when Sherri took over than the ones Gary Blair and Kim inherited.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Good post. If I remember correctly, the OU program was in arguably better shape when Sherri took over than the ones Gary Blair and Kim inherited.

That's correct. aTm was terrible when Blair went there, like the womens basketball version of Baylors football team (used to be).

Baylor wasn't any better when they hired Mulkey and I think they hired her just a few years (maybe even 1 year) after we hired SC.

OTOH, Oklahoma had just won the womens NIT 2 seasons before Sherri took over and the year before that they had some really good teams with Etta Maytubby and the coach we hired from Rose State JUCO. A few of those teams were talented enough to make the tourney but the big 8 was a bad basketball conference back then.

Prior to Mulkey's last 4 years, I reduced her first NC to luck. Sure, she had a good team, but she got lucky that both Stanford and UConn were way down that season. That Baylor team couldn't beat our 2002 team but our 02 team had to play a very very good UConn team with some of the best womens players to ever play the game (Taurasi and the little native american point guard).

But after the last 4 years, it's evident Mulkey and Baylor have passed our program.

We really lost our best chance to win an NC when the Paris twins didn't improve after their frosh seasons. Ashley did a little but nothing like she could have. Then the year after they left we get back to the final 4 and Olajuwon was a huge part of that and IMO, she was a much better offensive player than CP. At the end of her sr year she had a very nice offensive game and could hit the turnaround jumper. CP couldn't hit a gimme. Abi just wasn't as physical and she wasn't as good a rebounder as CP.

I know you (Norm) and I both complained back in those days that CP wasn't improving and those teams were turnover machines. We both complained about that. Now here we are.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

I was thinking a paragraph or two might help.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

I've been messing around on this site for a couple of days. and I really can't believe that there is so much garbage about shari.... rather they demanded that ou give the program a couple of more years before ending the program. to hasten the end they decided not to go after a coach that could build the program, but to hire a high school coach with no college experience. so they hired shari from norman high ... only bill Snyder has done more with less than shari....we can't get better than shari.

You posted the above thread starter at 4:18 PM today.

Here is another, EARLIER thread (Sherri is VERY overpaid for her efforts) in which you also misspelled Sherri's name:

shari hasn't produced? are you daft?

Time of post: 7:05 AM

"shari"? Geez dude, she's been the coach for almost 20 years now and you still can't spell her name right? The correct spelling is in the thread title. Time of post: 8:59 AM

Your reply to Booger (at 10:57 AM):

Really

So... you posted and misspelled Sherri's name this morning, you were corrected and acknowledged the correction, and then you misspell her name again, not once but 4 times in your OP.

Are you stupid, or just incapable of retaining knowledge? There IS a difference, I believe.

You seem fond of using the word "daft".

Are you daft?

ONE MORE TIME: The head basketball coach of the OU women's team is SHERRI COALE. That is S-H-E-R-R-I, not shari. Can you see the difference?

 

[garyeb2]

That's right. Good job. The grammar police and the self appointed content editors jumping right in there trying to hound a new poster off the message board.

 

[sybarite]

There is another extant thread that calls into question exactly how committed OU and some of its fans are to the program and to Sherri. If the program was that great when she took over, why did nobody want the job? You can't have it both ways. Either it was a great job, and everyone wanted to coach here, or nobody wanted the job.

It is interesting that the fans that are in the seats appear to be an entirely different group of fans than those who are fans of other OU sports. Grandmothers bring their grandchildren.

This has been developed in a state that isn't exactly a bellcow for Title IX. Although you would think that a state in which women have had basketball in highschool for a hundred years would be a bellweather state for Title IX and women's basketball, it has always been treated like the unwanted step-daughter, and there seems to be more than an adequate supply of evil stepmothers.

If my daughter were a D-1 prospect, I must admit that Sherri is the type of coach that I would suggest that she examined. So, she hasn't won a national title. Kim has, and I certainly wouldn't want my daughter around her. Titles aren't everything. Having said that, I might advise her to listen to the coaches at Stanford, Notre Dame, and UConn since they seem to have it together, with fan support.

 

[sybarite]

I was thinking a paragraph or two might help.

I figured it was the message board equivalent of a tweet. I can't read those either.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I was thinking a paragraph or two might help.

Not sure to whom you are speaking? If me, if my posts are too long you can always skip past them or even better put me on ignore. Thanks.

 

[Big Old Booger]

There is another extant thread that calls into question exactly how committed OU and some of its fans are to the program and to Sherri. If the program was that great when she took over, why did nobody want the job? You can't have it both ways. Either it was a great job, and everyone wanted to coach here, or nobody wanted the job.

It is interesting that the fans that are in the seats appear to be an entirely different group of fans than those who are fans of other OU sports. Grandmothers bring their grandchildren.

This has been developed in a state that isn't exactly a bellcow for Title IX. Although you would think that a state in which women have had basketball in highschool for a hundred years would be a bellweather state for Title IX and women's basketball, it has always been treated like the unwanted step-daughter, and there seems to be more than an adequate supply of evil stepmothers.

If my daughter were a D-1 prospect, I must admit that Sherri is the type of coach that I would suggest that she examined. So, she hasn't won a national title. Kim has, and I certainly wouldn't want my daughter around her. Titles aren't everything. Having said that, I might advise her to listen to the coaches at Stanford, Notre Dame, and UConn since they seem to have it together, with fan support.

Another clown post from Sybarite. :facepalm

I don't remember "nobody wanting the job" when Burl Plunkett resigned. After all, we just had a WNIT championship team exactly 1 year before he resigned. That team had Etta Maytubby and some other good Oklahoma talent (Sheri Black, Sharee Mitchum, et. al.,). More than anything, Marita Hynes contacted Auriemma and he recommended Sherri since she was (a) in town and (b) highly successful as a HS coach. I know they contacted some other candidates but Hynes like Sherri and recommended her after the interview. Had Joe C been the AD, I don't think that hire would have happened, but Steve Owens was the AD, and he was the worst AD in the history of OU athletics. A great guy and a sooner legend but a terrible AD (the death of his son around that time really affected the job he was able to do). So, all this "nobody wanted it" talk is just you and your mignons trying to make it sound like some fairy tale. :facepalm

Your 2nd paragraph is the most interesting. The fans in the seats are largely there because the seats are free. So, yes, the fans are a different crowd than the ones who PAY for tickets to other sports. A few weeks back, an old friend from HS was babysitting her nieces so they decided to attend the OU womens game instead of going to the zoo because the game was FREE and the zoo cost a little money (and a further drive from Norman). Again, you make it sound like little grandmothers are hocking their social security check to attend OU womens games, and that is simply not true.

Sherri is a great person and a good coach, but she's overpaid. Mulkey has won 3 NC's, so she deserves her pay, Sherri has won jack and squat on the national stage so she's overpaid.

And, I already know you have me on ignore, or you claim too, but most of your post was directed at me. So, I'm sure you will read this at some point.

 

[Big Old Booger]

That's right. Good job. The grammar police and the self appointed content editors jumping right in there trying to hound a new poster off the message board.

Well, I think most were willing to ignore his gross misspell of the womens head basketball coach but when he starts calling others "daft" then he opens himself up to criticism.

It's not hard to treat people with decency and I try to do that but if someone wants to ask "are you daft", then that someone deserves whatever reply they get. You may not feel that way and that's fine, but don't criticize me for feeling that way, ok?

 

[scrybe]

Not sure to whom you are speaking? If me, if my posts are too long you can always skip past them or even better put me on ignore. Thanks.

Come on, Booger. No need to get your feelings hurt. By the way, I have no idea who the poster was referring to.

 

[gwydion]

Your 2nd paragraph is the most interesting. The fans in the seats are largely there because the seats are free. So, yes, the fans are a different crowd than the ones who PAY for tickets to other sports. .

Tickets are free? I see people buying them at the window at every game. I know cause I stand outside and wait for someone to come up to the window so I can give them my extras. Wish I had known they were free cause I probably could have got quite a few people to come. Also I want free tickets. I've been paying for mine for 20+ years. How do I get free tickets?