If You Were the AD at Any School

what do the rape allegations have to do with Kim & her team?
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What did NCAA football violations from 1956 have to do with anything in 2016?

Someone mentioned the NCAA violations that Kim committed. In his enthusiasm to defend Kim and Baylor, Spock said OU 'looked the other way' with regard to football violations that happened between 36 and 60 years ago.

Baylor's tendency to ignore their athlete's legal problems is much more relevant to the conversation that something that happened at OU when Bud was the coach.
 
Barry was not fired due to recruiting violations.

I always laugh about some of the 1980 allegations. If I remember right, for example, a big Phillips University fan bought a hamburger for a Phillips University player. Since he was also an OU season ticket holder, that was one of the allegations listed.

Recently, a couple of OU players went back for seconds at a banquet. Somehow that was called a minor violation. I would certainly agree that it was minor. ;)

I'm surprised anyone would call those kinds of things major violations.

What happened at OU a few years back when a basketball coach was penalized for sending e-mails (which is now not even a violation - major OR minor)?

By the way, spock, I didn't mention Kim when I talked about firing coaches for major violations. Why did that come to your mind?
 
The recruiting violation that Kim did that has so many here upset was classified as a minor violation with no major penalties. Now if you want to be upset because a coach with major recruiting violations was not fired perhaps you should look at OU who had major violation in 1956 and 1960 under Bud Wilkinson. In 1973 for violations under Chuck Fairbanks and in bout 1980 and 1988 under Barry Switzer with Barry resigning after the 1988 incidents.

By my count OU looked the other way when their coach had major violations in 1956, 1960, 1973 and 1980. When has Baylor looked the other way after one of their coaches was in charge during major violations as defined by the NCAA?

http://www.soonersblog.com/2007/07/history-of-oklahoma-ncaa-major.html

I can understand not liking Kim for her coaching style and some of her antics but trying to make her out to be without morals or ethics is nothing more than most manifesting their jealousy because she consistently kicks Sherri's butt. For certain sitting with parents of players on her daughter's team at their games is a far cry from improper transportation, extra benefits, improper recruiting inducements, improper financial aid, outside fund, lack of institutional control, improper lodging, excessive number of official visits, excessive time for official visits, academic fraud, eligibility issues, unethical conduct, improper financial aid, improper entertainment, complimentary tickets, improper employment and lack of certification of compliance.

Personally if Sherri can beat Mulkey 25% of the time over the next 10 years I will be totally surprised. Kim consistently out recruits Sherri and out coaches Sherri. Sherri's one win and thirteen losses over the last seven years confirms those facts.

I have disagreed with you on most issues. But, this is the most inane post that you have ever made. I won't even bother trying to explain the difference. The fact that you support Kim is disgusting enough. But, to suggest that she somehow is less than a Wilkinson or Switzer because the NCAA didn't have the guts to do what they should have done is unacceptable. So, I have seen enough of your stuff for a while. I will hereby put you on ignore for a period while you consider the positions that you have begun to take regarding OU.
 
Getting back to the original thread:

1. Graduate Players
2. Teach kids how to be successful and leave everything on the floor every day.
3. Run a clean program
4. If your Coach can do these things, then as AD you would have their back.
 
Getting back to the original thread:

1. Graduate Players
2. Teach kids how to be successful and leave everything on the floor every day.
3. Run a clean program
4. If your Coach can do these things, then as AD you would have their back.
guess winning has nothing to do with it?
 
... Someone mentioned the NCAA violations that Kim committed. In his enthusiasm to defend Kim and Baylor, Spock said OU 'looked the other way' with regard to football violations that happened between 36 and 60 years ago.

Baylor's tendency to ignore their athlete's legal problems is much more relevant to the conversation that something that happened at OU when Bud was the coach.
I knew this thread would quickly degenerate into complaining about Baylor. 'Just more sour grapes!
 
Getting back to the original thread:

1. Graduate Players
2. Teach kids how to be successful and leave everything on the floor every day.
3. Run a clean program
4. If your Coach can do these things, then as AD you would have their back.

This can be accomplished in the OU intramural program for a lot less time and resources.
 
I have disagreed with you on most issues. But, this is the most inane post that you have ever made. I won't even bother trying to explain the difference. The fact that you support Kim is disgusting enough. But, to suggest that she somehow is less than a Wilkinson or Switzer because the NCAA didn't have the guts to do what they should have done is unacceptable. So, I have seen enough of your stuff for a while. I will hereby put you on ignore for a period while you consider the positions that you have begun to take regarding OU.

Great!!! I could not be more pleased. What I stated was fact regarding NCAA violations for both OU and Baylor. Now no more inane comments from you. For certain Kim's violations were insignificant relative to those of Wilkinson, Fairbanks and Switzer. I guess it is better to pay players and maintain slush funds than visit with parents. I'll leave the inane post to you as you have excelled at it for years.

In addition to her sitting with parents her program also had illegal text messaging and undocumented phone call violations. Kim does things I would like to see done differently just as I would have liked to have seen Barry try to wear a white hat instead of a black one. A better image would have benefited both and their schools.

Oh, I will continue to support OU as I have in the past. 53 year season football ticket holder, 35 years men's basketball, 15 years women's basketball, 15 years wrestling, 10 years softball and 10 years baseball. And I put my butt in the seat about a hundred times a year. How many times has your behind been in attendance in the past decade. And I have done it while living in Kansas City and the Metroplex. You can make the drive if you want to bad enough.

Besides my opinion of your and other's jealousy of Kim's success has nothing to do with my regard for the Sooners. For certain harping on Baylor violations from prior to 2012 is not exactly living in the present. Get over it. Acknowledge OU's job is to compete in the B12 and NCAA today. And success is getting to the level that Mulkey has made routine. Recruit better, coach better, play better and win championships. Don't dwell on your dislike of Kim. Set your expectations for Sherri and expect them to be met. If she does express your gratitude. If she doesn't express your dissatisfaction.
 
This can be accomplished in the OU intramural program for a lot less time and resources.

Depends on your priorites, doesn't it. I guess I am old fashioned, I thought a University was about education first, but gee I just don't get it I guess.
 
Depends on your priorites, doesn't it. I guess I am old fashioned, I thought a University was about education first, but gee I just don't get it I guess.

No, I agree but there is so much more that should be "required" if you're talking university/division I. You don't get much more "old fashioned/old school" than me! My point is that if productivity, revenue, recruiting, post season accomplishments are not going to be "required", then play and coach intramural.

My list would begin with...

I. Academics
1. Graduation Rate
2. Team and Individual GPA
3. Learning Center Attendance
4. NCAA Guidelines

II. Staff Development
1. Salary vs Productivity
2. Professional Development

III. Financial
1. Ticket Sales
a. Season
b. Individual
2. Endowments
3. Individual Contributions
4. Events
5. Advertisement
6. Sponsors

IV. Basketball
1. Recruiting
2. Player Development
3. Conference Ranking
4. Post Season

V. Social/Community
1. Outreach - Camps/Clinics
2. Health & Safety
3. Community Service
 
Barry was not fired due to recruiting violations.

I always laugh about some of the 1980 allegations. If I remember right, for example, a big Phillips University fan bought a hamburger for a Phillips University player. Since he was also an OU season ticket holder, that was one of the allegations listed.

Recently, a couple of OU players went back for seconds at a banquet. Somehow that was called a minor violation. I would certainly agree that it was minor. ;)

I'm surprised anyone would call those kinds of things major violations.

What happened at OU a few years back when a basketball coach was penalized for sending e-mails (which is now not even a violation - major OR minor)?

Probably the reason the NCAA only publicly reprimanded the Sooners for the 1980 violations. It was 1988

By the way, spock, I didn't mention Kim when I talked about firing coaches for major violations. Why did that come to your mind?

Barry was not fired due to recruiting violations.

Never said he was fired. He was under immense pressure from David Swank, OU interim President to resign and the Board of Regents withheld renewing his contract as they had previously done annually. Swank an OSU undergraduate and OU law school graduate was dean of the law school prior to and after his interim president year. Also served as president of the NCAA.

I always laugh about some of the 1980 allegations.

Probably the reason the NCAA only publicly reprimanded the Sooners for the 1980 violations. It was 1988 when Barry's boys got 3 years probation, 1 year TV ban, lost 18 scholarships over two year and had two coaches and the recruiting coordinator removed from recruiting rather than suffer additional penalties.

By the way, spock, I didn't mention Kim when I talked about firing coaches for major violations. Why did that come to your mind?

An assumption on my part based on your comment that "Kind of puts things in perspective doesn't it? It is hard to win consistently at a high level - without getting caught at cheating in recruiting as some have resorted to."

"If I was an AD I guarantee you I would immediately fire a coach who was sanctioned for serious recruiting violations. A university's response to that tells you all you need to know about the school's value system."

And Kim Mulkey is the only coach repeatedly discussed on this board with regard to cheating in recruiting including your comments regarding Kim wrongly giving her daughter a scholarship, hiring her to her staff and cheating in recruiting. In reviewing your previous post Kim is the only WBB coach you have personally ever referred to as cheating. Definitely could have been my bad to make that assumption. Just reading between the lines.
 
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But as far as we know, Kim is the only coach in our conference who's program (and she personally) was penalized for cheating. Penalties included loss of scholarships, and banning Kim from recruiting off-campus for a period of time.
You can call the violations minor if you want to, but most thought that the penalties were not nearly harsh enough. Without those violations and the other questionable activities what accompanied them (hiring the AAU coach, etc.) it is doubtful that Baylor would have built the dynasty they have today.
 
Interesting article from a few years ago with Sherri and Muffett McGraw sharing their concerns about cheating in women's game. I'm sure it's worse now with the AAU scene. Donor/friends of a program can easily offer thousands to AAU coaches to encourage recruits to attend certain school. Players would never have an idea and no way to really police unless court order to look at bank accounts and their would have to be proven suspicion to gather court order, I suspect. I find it interesting that AAU that coached Griner and friends, that attended Hypocrite U, was fired as soon as they graduated.

https://fraser61.wordpress.com/tag/sherri-coale/
 
No, I agree but there is so much more that should be "required" if you're talking university/division I. You don't get much more "old fashioned/old school" than me! My point is that if productivity, revenue, recruiting, post season accomplishments are not going to be "required", then play and coach intramural.

My list would begin with...

I. Academics
1. Graduation Rate
2. Team and Individual GPA
3. Learning Center Attendance
4. NCAA Guidelines

II. Staff Development
1. Salary vs Productivity
2. Professional Development

III. Financial
1. Ticket Sales
a. Season
b. Individual
2. Endowments
3. Individual Contributions
4. Events
5. Advertisement
6. Sponsors

IV. Basketball
1. Recruiting
2. Player Development
3. Conference Ranking
4. Post Season

V. Social/Community
1. Outreach - Camps/Clinics
2. Health & Safety
3. Community Service

Bay, we are on the same path then. I did not want to go into detail because, if you take care of the three items on my list, then you can concentrate on the rest of your list, in the same order you have listed. Good post.
 
Bay, we are on the same path then. I did not want to go into detail because, if you take care of the three items on my list, then you can concentrate on the rest of your list, in the same order you have listed. Good post.

I actually believe that SC and her staff have done a great job relative to community service, endowments (great that she got them when she did) and academics. And it's special that she does all the writing in journals, etc.

I just wish the same effort and desire to settle for nothing less would be placed on recruiting and player development. Some coaching staffs have specific coaches for development; nothing else. The staff could stand some reorganization and expansion. They need a crisis plan. Ok, don't terminate anyone...just find a position that better fits their recent productivity. Yes, keep SC as the HC. HOWEVER, I must add that I don't think much will change even if the staff does because I think she runs the ship exactly the way she wants to run it regardless of others opinion and input. Just my opinion.
 
I think our AD needs to put the pressure on Sherri. Giver her some deadlines. Like, if we do not win x number of conference games she has to make at least two major staff changes. If she is giving glorious employee evaluations to her staff tell her she has to change that policy in light of the lack of success we are having.

It may not be as simple as what I am suggesting but she should be under intense pressure to earn her salary.
 
I think our AD needs to put the pressure on Sherri. Giver her some deadlines. Like, if we do not win x number of conference games she has to make at least two major staff changes. If she is giving glorious employee evaluations to her staff tell her she has to change that policy in light of the lack of success we are having.

It may not be as simple as what I am suggesting but she should be under intense pressure to earn her salary.

Great idea!
 
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