Information: Coach Capel's Contract

[skyvue]

Remember when OSU and Nebraska fans were saying Bob Stoops couldn't win without John Blakes recruits?

That's how idiotic Capel can't win without Blake is

It's nothing like that, of course, because Bob Stoops kept winning, even after Blake's recruits departed.

Capel's done nothing of the kind. His only winning teams have been composed primarily of Sampson recruits and Blake. Since the departure of those Sampson recruits and BG, we've seen nothing but excruciatingly bad basketball and sub-.500 records.

 

[thebigabd]

Remember when OSU and Nebraska fans were saying Bob Stoops couldn't win without John Blakes recruits?

That's how idiotic Capel can't win without Blake is and the origin is the same. Rivals of OU say that BS and some Sooners are weak enough to get sucked into it.

Read skyvues post.

It's nothing like that, of course, because Bob Stoops kept winning, even after Blake's recruits departed.

Capel's done nothing of the kind. His only winning teams have been composed primarily of Sampson recruits and Blake. Since the departure of those Sampson recruits and BG, we've seen nothing but excruciatingly bad basketball and sub-.500 records.

This.

 

[dahldennsull]

Bill Belichick can't win without Tom Brady.

Matt Cassel would argue differently. I used to defend Capel, but did see the argument. Even with Blake, our team would play very poorly and expect BG to bail them out. I remember several games of low scoring ball with BG having 1/2 our points and boards. Just jacking up missed threes and letting him dominate inside. I still have yet to ever see an offense under Capel.

I will say, for all the naysayers, here are some stats:

Capel before BG:
2010-2011 5-6 (.455)
2009-2010 13-18 (.419)

With BG
2008-2009 30-6 (.833)
2007-2008 23-11 (.676)

After BG:
2006-2007 16-15 (.516)

Summing:
34-39 (.466) without BG
53-17 (.757) with BG

 

[sys]

So if you were a coach, you wouldn't take a huge pay raise that included a buyout clause that said missing the post season two years in a row was grounds to terminate for $1,000,0000?

How do you take such a position with a straight face? It is like negotiating default provisions on a loan. The bank says "but you are going to pay us so what is the problem". It is pretty hard to respond to such a statement and as a result, you have very little negotiating power with the bank.

The guy was being given a huge pay raise and extension. It is more than reasonable that the employer expect some minimal level of performance, especially when it is tied to consecutive years. Certainly Capel's agent/attorney would have advised of the risks but the alternative was keeping the old contract and/or taking a new job that didn't exist yet.

i would have had my agent looking for a new job. if my situation were capel's at that time, i'm very confident i would have gotten one with a more favorable contract. in the unlikely event that no better job materialized, i'd have taken the offer then.


just look at contracts of other coaches. martin, at kstate, for example signed a deal in the spring for just slightly less money than capel's. his buyout, should kstate wish to fire him, is around 4-5 million.

martin, like capel, was a coach largely attractive because he was coming off a single successful season. each had other, lesser, lines in the resume. but, basically one season.

 

[bocabull]

It's nothing like that, of course, because Bob Stoops kept winning, even after Blake's recruits departed.

Capel's done nothing of the kind. His only winning teams have been composed primarily of Sampson recruits and Blake. Since the departure of those Sampson recruits and BG, we've seen nothing but excruciatingly bad basketball and sub-.500 records.

It is exactly like it. in 2001 OU lost to both OSu and Nebraska. In 2002 OU lost to OSU and did not play Nebraska. Since he started beating them again then he couldn't beat Mack Brown during that mini losing streak, now he can;t win a BCS bowl.

You see idiotic theories against anything OU will always be put forward by our rivals to diminish our accomplishments. And only WEAK OU fans or fake ones will accept them.

Capel has won and won plenty with and without Blake. He's hit a little bump in the road. Big deal. It happens. BTW where does Capel rank in NCAA tournament wins and appearances among active Big XII coaches? He's only definitely behind Self and Barnes, might be behind Anderson and Drew, but is ahead of everybody else.

OSU SUCKS!!!!!!!!! Always and Forever.

 

[seniorsooner]

It is exactly like it. in 2001 OU lost to both OSu and Nebraska. In 2002 OU lost to OSU and did not play Nebraska. Since he started beating them again then he couldn't beat Mack Brown during that mini losing streak, now he can;t win a BCS bowl.

You see idiotic theories against anything OU will always be put forward by our rivals to diminish our accomplishments. And only WEAK OU fans or fake ones will accept them.

Capel has won and won plenty with and without Blake. He's hit a little bump in the road. Big deal. It happens. BTW where does Capel rank in NCAA tournament wins and appearances among active Big XII coaches? He's only definitely behind Self and Barnes, might be behind Anderson and Drew, but is ahead of everybody else.

OSU SUCKS!!!!!!!!! Always and Forever.

To be fair I'm not sure having two of the worst four or five seasons in the last 40 years of OU basketball classifies as "a little bump in the road".

 

[skyvue]

Capel has won and won plenty with and without Blake.

Capel hasn't won without Blake. He simply hasn't. The results are indisputable: 16-15, 13-18, and whatever our record turns out to be this season (and there's a very good chance it'll be worse than last year).

You can spin and finger-point and call people trolls and accuse them of falling for the nefarious tricks of rival fans all you like, but the facts are clear: 1 (barely) winning season, 2 (likely) losing seasons, and zero postseason appearances without Blake.

 

[okcsooner83]

A "little bump" in the road? Things are bad this year and lack of talent in the future makes next season look just as bad.

I give Capel credit for landing blake griffin and going to an elite 8 but I also blame him for the current state of the program.

 

[DenverSooner]

Plus Capel was one game above .500 (in conference play) Blake's freshman year. That season was certainly acceptable but it was not some great season by any stretch of the imagination. The best thing about it was that OU won a Tournament game.

The records are the records. Capel has a losing record against Big XII competition. That is simply a fact.

 

[bocabull]

He won enough at VCU to get the OU job. He then took over a team on probation devoid of talent and in 2 years with 10 of 12 players who never laced em up under Sampson, led by Blake Griffin and Willie Warren, went to the Elite 8.

Of course to believe the Capel is bad theory you have to ignore all his accomplishments and only focus on years where his roster was depleted due to defections and injuries.

Ignore the good job he has done 80% of the time. He has been scrambling from day 1 making up for the mess he inherited. He overcame it so fast people got spoiled. Now some rats want to jump ship because we had some devastating defections. Good thing the rats are not in any decision making capacity.

 

[Big Old Booger]

It is exactly like it. in 2001 OU lost to both OSu and Nebraska. In 2002 OU lost to OSU and did not play Nebraska. Since he started beating them again then he couldn't beat Mack Brown during that mini losing streak, now he can;t win a BCS bowl.

You see idiotic theories against anything OU will always be put forward by our rivals to diminish our accomplishments. And only WEAK OU fans or fake ones will accept them.

Capel has won and won plenty with and without Blake. He's hit a little bump in the road. Big deal. It happens. BTW where does Capel rank in NCAA tournament wins and appearances among active Big XII coaches? He's only definitely behind Self and Barnes, might be behind Anderson and Drew, but is ahead of everybody else.

OSU SUCKS!!!!!!!!! Always and Forever.

I don't care how many NCAA wins he has, he is a losing coach without BG. That's a fact.

 

[Big Old Booger]

He won enough at VCU to get the OU job. He then took over a team on probation devoid of talent and in 2 years with 10 of 12 players who never laced em up under Sampson, led by Blake Griffin and Willie Warren, went to the Elite 8.

Of course to believe the Capel is bad theory you have to ignore all his accomplishments and only focus on years where his roster was depleted due to defections and injuries.

Ignore the good job he has done 80% of the time. He has been scrambling from day 1 making up for the mess he inherited. He overcame it so fast people got spoiled. Now some rats want to jump ship because we had some devastating defections. Good thing the rats are not in any decision making capacity.

No, he didn't, and I'm not the only one that felt that way when he was hired. Mike DeCourcy from the Sporting News thought it was a horrible hire at the time as did others.

He should have never gotten the job based off 1 season at VCU. Anthony Grant took over his VCU team and they were better with Grant than they were with Capel. Nobody came in and hired Grant, they made him prove it by winning the next 2 seasons before they offered him a job at a BCS school.

 

[DenverSooner]

He won enough at VCU to get the OU job. He then took over a team on probation devoid of talent and in 2 years with 10 of 12 players who never laced em up under Sampson, led by Blake Griffin and Willie Warren, went to the Elite 8.

Of course to believe the Capel is bad theory you have to ignore all his accomplishments and only focus on years where his roster was depleted due to defections and injuries.

Ignore the good job he has done 80% of the time. He has been scrambling from day 1 making up for the mess he inherited. He overcame it so fast people got spoiled. Now some rats want to jump ship because we had some devastating defections. Good thing the rats are not in any decision making capacity.

He had a good season. I don't think a single OU fan disputes that. The issue isn't 2009, it is 2007, 2010, 2011 and to some extent 2008.

 

[thebigabd]

skyvue is dominating bocabull pretty bad in this thread. but, not many go toe to toe with skyvue and come out on top.

He won enough at VCU to get the OU job.

I care what he has done at OU. I dont care what he did at some joke basketball school.

At OU without Blake,
16-15
13-18
5-6 so far this year

Ignore the good job he has done 80% of the time.

At OU, he has not done good 80% of the time. He has done good 40% of the time at OU.

He has been scrambling from day 1 making up for the mess he inherited. He overcame it so fast people got spoiled. Now some rats want to jump ship because we had some devastating defections. Good thing the rats are not in any decision making capacity

He has been scrambling every year because all the players he signs never stay. Good ones, bad ones, doesnt matter, they all leave. There is a long list of bad players he gave scholarships to, bad character guys he gave scholarships to, etc. That has kept OU rebuilding and kept him scrambling to field a team every year.

He didnt inherit that situation. He has created it.

Plus Capel was one game above .500 (in conference play) Blake's freshman year. That season was certainly acceptable but it was not some great season by any stretch of the imagination. The best thing about it was that OU won a Tournament game.

The records are the records. Capel has a losing record against Big XII competition. That is simply a fact.

Yep... Losing record in our league, and in one of his 2 good seasons (out of 5) they were one game above .500 in the league.

Facts can hurt.

 

[Dem Coltz]

I care what he has done at OU. I dont care what he did at some joke basketball school.

This is a clown statement made by an ill-informed poster. VCU has been to the tourney three times in the past seven years, losing by one to Wake Forest and Chris Paul in 04, beating Duke and losing to Pitt in OT in 07, and losing to UCLA by 1 in 09. They were ranked in the top 25 several years in the 80s. This year they beat UCLA and Wake in the Preseason NIT and lost a close game to Tennessee. If anyone remembers when we played them last year (the game the wheels started to wobble before coming off completely a few weeks later) they packed the arena full and shocked our players into a humbling loss. They sell out most of their home games 7,500 against mid majors.

 

[okcsooner83]

Maybe OU hired the wrong VCU coach.

 

[thebigabd]

This is a clown statement made by an ill-informed poster. VCU has been to the tourney three times in the past seven years, losing by one to Wake Forest and Chris Paul in 04, beating Duke and losing to Pitt in OT in 07, and losing to UCLA by 1 in 09. They were ranked in the top 25 several years in the 80s. This year they beat UCLA and Wake in the Preseason NIT and lost a close game to Tennessee. If anyone remembers when we played them last year (the game the wheels started to wobble before coming off completely a few weeks later) they packed the arena full and shocked our players into a humbling loss. They sell out most of their home games 7,500 against mid majors.

Well played... but I still only care about what Capel has done at OU. What happened at VCU doesnt matter.

 

[Dem Coltz]

Well played... but I still only care about what Capel has done at OU. What happened at VCU doesnt matter.

On that point you are exactly correct. Capel's four years at VCU in the CAA are as follows - 2nd place, 1st place, 2nd place, 6th place -> OU job. Disturbing trend considering his performance here, no? Maybe OU should have let him marinate in that 6th place finish and see how he responded before buying the farm. OKCsooner83, Anthony Grant was the 1st asst at Florida during their first NC, won the CAA regular season 3 of 3 years and the tournament 2 of 3 years at VCU. He's now at Alabama struggling with a 5-6 record coming off a 17-15 season. This is what you get when you go with underexperienced head coaches for big time conferences, it gets worse before it gets better.

 

[okcsooner83]

I was joking about maybe OU hired the wrong VCU coach. Anthony Grant does not impress me either. OU went cheap when it hired Capel and got what it paid for.

 

[NickZepp]

I wonder how many of the smaller college guys have jumped to Big conference ball and won in recent years? I can see 2 in the Big 12 that are working out right now in Scott Drew(Valpo to Baylor) and Travis Ford(UMass to OSU)

A lot of others haven't worked in the Big 12 in recent years. Jeff Bzedik(Air Force to CU) never had a winning record at Colorado. Won 15 his last year and 19 combined in his first 2 years. That's not any good.

Doc Sadler has been bad. Nebraska's never been better than 8-8 in conference under him. Last year they were the worst team in the conference. Even worse than we were. He's won 35% of his conference games. He does have a better overall winning percentage than Jeff Capel.