Iowa State at OU

While we don't know for a fact that the women's facilities would have been shortchanged w/o Mrs. Noble's demand that they be equal, we do know for a fact that historically women's facilities have been shortchanged time and time and time again. Mrs. Noble was wise enough to know this and demand that it not happen at OU.

Very true. In fact is is very possible that different facilities were planned. However I think presenting suspicions as fact is how rumors become truths in the eyes of the public and that is a basic wrong of our culture. Opinions should be stated as opinions, period.
 
UCONN had not gone all out for women's basketball before they hired Geno.

Before Auriemma, the Huskies had posted just one winning season in their entire history. As was true at many schools at the time, Connecticut did not have a strong commitment to women's sports. Both players and coaches had to scrape for facilities and resources. Eventually, some students wishing to form a soccer team threatened to sue the university. The Trustees went on record supporting women's sports, and the administration decided to provide more support, especially for sports with a potential for revenue, such as women's basketball. The decision to hire a new coach was part of this commitment to strengthen the women's sports at Connecticut. Auriemma was the last of a series of interviews conducted by the search staff. Most of the other candidates were highly qualified coaches, and most were female. Ironically, one of those included in the interview process was Chris Dailey, who would become Auriemma's assistant, and is currently the Associate Head Coach at UConn. Dailey was identified as the candidate likely to receive an offer if Auriemma turned down the offer.

Pat Summit didn't have a picnic either:

Just before the 1974–75 season, with women's college basketball still in its infancy and not yet an NCAA-sanctioned sport, 22-year-old Summitt became a graduate assistant at the University of Tennessee, and was named head coach of the Lady Vols after the previous coach suddenly quit. Summitt earned $250 monthly and washed the players' uniforms - uniforms purchased the previous year with proceeds from a donut sale. Summitt recalled that era of women's basketball during a February 2009 interview with Time Magazine. "I had to drive the van when I first started coaching," Summitt said. "One time, for a road game, we actually slept in the other team's gym the night before. We had mats, we had our little sleeping bags. When I was a player at the University of Tennessee-Martin, we played at Tennessee Tech for three straight games, and we didn't wash our uniforms. We only had one set. We played because we loved the game. We didn't think anything about it."

During Summitt's first year as head coach, four of her players were only a year younger than she was and all were from Tennessee high schools, which until 1980 employed an antiquated six-person game where offensive and defensive players never crossed mid-court. She coached her first game for Tennessee on December 7, 1974 against Mercer University in Macon, Georgia; the Lady Vols lost 84-83. Her first win came almost a month later when the Lady Vols defeated Middle Tennessee State, 69-32 on January 10, 1975. The Lady Vols won the Tennessee College Women’s Sports Federation (TCWSF) Eastern District Championship for the third straight year. However, the team finished 4th overall in the TCWSF (they had been second the previous two years), and were not invited to the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women (AIAW) tournament.

In her second season, Summitt coached the Lady Vols to a 16-11 record while earning her 1976 masters degree in physical education and training as the co-captain of the 1976 U.S. Women's Olympic basketball team that won a silver medal in Montreal. Starting with the 1976-77 season, Summitt directed two 20-win teams, winning back-to-back AIAW Region II championships. The Lady Vols defeated 3-time AIAW champion Delta State by 20 points in 1978, and earned Tennessee its first number one ranking. 1978 saw the Lady Vols participate in their first AIAW Final Four, where they finished third. Summitt also recorded her 100th win during this season, a 79–66 victory over NC State. Tennessee finished up the 1970s by winning the first-ever SEC tournament, and returning to the AIAW Final Four, where they finished runner-up to Old Dominion, 68–53.
 
UCONN had not gone all out for women's basketball before they hired Geno.

Before Auriemma, the Huskies had posted just one winning season in their entire history. As was true at many schools at the time, Connecticut did not have a strong commitment to women's sports. Both players and coaches had to scrape for facilities and resources. Eventually, some students wishing to form a soccer team threatened to sue the university. The Trustees went on record supporting women's sports, and the administration decided to provide more support, especially for sports with a potential for revenue, such as women's basketball. The decision to hire a new coach was part of this commitment to strengthen the women's sports at Connecticut. Auriemma was the last of a series of interviews conducted by the search staff. Most of the other candidates were highly qualified coaches, and most were female. Ironically, one of those included in the interview process was Chris Dailey, who would become Auriemma's assistant, and is currently the Associate Head Coach at UConn. Dailey was identified as the candidate likely to receive an offer if Auriemma turned down the offer.

Pat Summit didn't have a picnic either:

Just before the 1974–75 season, with women's college basketball still in its infancy and not yet an NCAA-sanctioned sport, 22-year-old Summitt became a graduate assistant at the University of Tennessee, and was named head coach of the Lady Vols after the previous coach suddenly quit. Summitt earned $250 monthly and washed the players' uniforms - uniforms purchased the previous year with proceeds from a donut sale. Summitt recalled that era of women's basketball during a February 2009 interview with Time Magazine. "I had to drive the van when I first started coaching," Summitt said. "One time, for a road game, we actually slept in the other team's gym the night before. We had mats, we had our little sleeping bags. When I was a player at the University of Tennessee-Martin, we played at Tennessee Tech for three straight games, and we didn't wash our uniforms. We only had one set. We played because we loved the game. We didn't think anything about it."

During Summitt's first year as head coach, four of her players were only a year younger than she was and all were from Tennessee high schools, which until 1980 employed an antiquated six-person game where offensive and defensive players never crossed mid-court. She coached her first game for Tennessee on December 7, 1974 against Mercer University in Macon, Georgia; the Lady Vols lost 84-83. Her first win came almost a month later when the Lady Vols defeated Middle Tennessee State, 69-32 on January 10, 1975. The Lady Vols won the Tennessee College Women’s Sports Federation (TCWSF) Eastern District Championship for the third straight year. However, the team finished 4th overall in the TCWSF (they had been second the previous two years), and were not invited to the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women (AIAW) tournament.

In her second season, Summitt coached the Lady Vols to a 16-11 record while earning her 1976 masters degree in physical education and training as the co-captain of the 1976 U.S. Women's Olympic basketball team that won a silver medal in Montreal. Starting with the 1976-77 season, Summitt directed two 20-win teams, winning back-to-back AIAW Region II championships. The Lady Vols defeated 3-time AIAW champion Delta State by 20 points in 1978, and earned Tennessee its first number one ranking. 1978 saw the Lady Vols participate in their first AIAW Final Four, where they finished third. Summitt also recorded her 100th win during this season, a 79–66 victory over NC State. Tennessee finished up the 1970s by winning the first-ever SEC tournament, and returning to the AIAW Final Four, where they finished runner-up to Old Dominion, 68–53.

There is no doubt that no-one was paying huge sums for salaries or facilities when Pat and Geno started their careers. However, there was much less competition for good players in the mid 80's and early 70's than there was in the late 1990's.
 
There is no doubt that no-one was paying huge sums for salaries or facilities when Pat and Geno started their careers. However, there was much less competition for good players in the mid 80's and early 70's than there was in the late 1990's.

I agree. But, there are more good players today that there was in the 70's and 80's.
 
Since the OU administration cancelled the men's basketball program, we can assume that the OU administration has always provided equal opportunity to the men's and women's programs.

When Summit built, her competition was essentially Delta State, Old Dominion, and Immaculata. Connecticut was in a similar situation in the northeast. Any program that stepped up to any extent had a huge advantage and an opportunity.
 
I agree. But, there are more good players today that there was in the 70's and 80's.

That's debatable. There were definitely more players in the late 1990's, but poor coaching by AAU coaching had begun to erode fundamentals.
 
That's debatable. There were definitely more players in the late 1990's, but poor coaching by AAU coaching had begun to erode fundamentals.

I don't really blame the AAU coaches for poor fundamentals. Those are normally taught at an early age by parents and coaches.
 
In 1980, how many schools were in competition for the few good players?

I don't really know. I do know that some coaches rose to prominance by recruiting hard and good coaching...just like it's done today. Just like Gasso has done in softball.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIAW_Women's_Basketball_Tournament
Take a look at the foundation of women's basketball, the AIAW. Which BCS teams seemed to be involved? Which team has the most final four appearances? Which is second? The only BCS schools to make it to the final four were Tennessee, UCLA, Indiana, LSU, South Carolina, Maryland, USC, Rutgers, VIllanova, and Texas. Only Tennessee and UCLA made it more than once. THe Mississippi State College for Women and WIlliams Penn made it twice. Delta State, Southern Connecticut State, Wayland Baptist, Louisiana Tech, and Old Dominion made it three times. This is the competition that the early BCS schools to become involved faced. Some don't even have sports any more.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIAW_Women's_Basketball_Tournament
Take a look at the foundation of women's basketball, the AIAW. Which BCS teams seemed to be involved? Which team has the most final four appearances? Which is second? The only BCS schools to make it to the final four were Tennessee, UCLA, Indiana, LSU, South Carolina, Maryland, USC, Rutgers, VIllanova, and Texas. Only Tennessee and UCLA made it more than once. THe Mississippi State College for Women and WIlliams Penn made it twice. Delta State, Southern Connecticut State, Wayland Baptist, Louisiana Tech, and Old Dominion made it three times. This is the competition that the early BCS schools to become involved faced. Some don't even have sports any more.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
 
I don't really blame the AAU coaches for poor fundamentals. Those are normally taught at an early age by parents and coaches.

You can't teach them at a young age and then assume they are going to stay with the player. There are exceptions, but most AAU coaches pay no attention to fundamentals or teamwork. Good high school coaches have to spend practice time undoing bad habits players pick up in AAU ball.
 
You can't teach them at a young age and then assume they are going to stay with the player. There are exceptions, but most AAU coaches pay no attention to fundamentals or teamwork. Good high school coaches have to spend practice time undoing bad habits players pick up in AAU ball.

I think the problem is, many of the elite players are not required to follow basic fundamentals when the are young because they are so much better than everyone around so parents and jr. high coaches let them slide by without doing it the correct way. I don't think AAU coaches do much to correct the problem. I also don't think see much improvement in fundamentals in college.
 
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