GAME 11 - OKLAHOMA (7-3) vs Kansas City (2-9) 6:00pm CST on SECNETWORK

[opsooner]

exactly. We have plenty of tough games. at the end of the year, we will have a good SOS.

Again, complaining about 200 ranked teams vs 300 ranked teams is just dumb.

Win your conference games and you don't have to worry about it.
If you can't win conference games, the program needs a new direction

How many conference games do we need to win? If we get left out and win one more than a team from the Big 12 that gets in are you OK with that?

I don’t get your argument. We all know our ceiling is not really high and the little things matter. If we get left out of the tournament it impacts next year more and the hole gets deeper. It’s easy to say “just win games” but we know we will likely be a bubble team and if not, as Wichita indicated, this also impacts seeding.

It’s also easy to say just win enough conference games to leave no doubts for the committee but that is not where our program is right now. This is not 1989.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Metrics are a great indicator to tell you how good/bad your team is.

Considering we just don't blow out the worst teams in Div-I and haven't in Moser's tenure...I would say there is a good correlation between that and our post-season track record.

Moser’s non-conference scheduling is an own goal considering where OU’s program is at (perpetual bubble), but this is the bigger concern for sure. Should be annihilating these teams at the very least.

 

[skyvue]

I'm on record as wishing we'd schedule better bad teams--from 150-299 in the rankings--but I don't think a 22-point win is going to hurt us nor does it speak directly to how good OU is. We built a huge lead with a dominant first half and lost our edge after halftime. It happens to most teams. I'm not happy that we didn't play better in the second half yesterday, but I think there's a serious overstatement occurring here of the possible repercussions of a 22-point victory.

It's worth noting that texas beat the Roos by just 16 points.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I'm on record as wishing we'd schedule better bad teams--from 150-299 in the rankings--but I don't think a 22-point win is going to hurt us nor does it speak directly to how good OU is. We built a huge lead with a dominant first half and lost our edge after halftime. It happens to most teams. I'm not happy that we didn't play better in the second half yesterday, but I think there's a serious overstatement occurring here of the possible repercussions of a 22-point victory.

It's worth noting that texas beat the Roos by just 16 points.

It did, in fact, hurt us. Cost us five spots overnight. And truly good teams regularly beat the piss out of awful teams (if they bother playing them in the first place).

 

[daqman]

some of y'all should just stop watching this team right now.
your lives would be less stress filled.

 

[BCSooners]

exactly. We have plenty of tough games. at the end of the year, we will have a good SOS.

Again, complaining about 200 ranked teams vs 300 ranked teams is just dumb.

Win your conference games and you don't have to worry about it.
If you can't win conference games, the program needs a new direction

Even if you get safely in the tournament those details could mean the difference in a seed or two better.

 

[SoonerDutch]

some of y'all should just stop watching this team right now.
your lives would be less stress filled.

Lol no kidding. I can understand bitching about the on court product but to bitch and moan about non conference SOS in real time is next level self-loathing.

 

[hoopsaustin]

It did, in fact, hurt us. Cost us five spots overnight. And truly good teams regularly beat the piss out of awful teams (if they bother playing them in the first place).

How do we know whether 5 teams didn't just jump us bc they had slightly better wins and/or slightly won better vs the same or worse level of team?

 

[WichitaSooner]

How do we know whether 5 teams didn't just jump us bc they had slightly better wins and/or slightly won better vs the same or worse level of team?

Three of the teams that jumped us didn’t play last night. Texas jumped us because they won by more against a slightly better team.

 

[skyvue]

It did, in fact, hurt us. Cost us five spots overnight. And truly good teams regularly beat the piss out of awful teams (if they bother playing them in the first place).

It hurt us for one day (so far). It'll be a distant non-memory come March.

 

[skyvue]

Texas jumped us because they won by more against a slightly better team.

We can't know if texas jumped us because of their margin of victory or ours (probably a bit of both); I would imagine a close loss to UConn helped their cause, too. In any case, you're proving my point (for which I thank you): texas beat the Roos by fewer points than we did, but here they are, a month later, ahead of us in Kenpom by a few spots. They overcame that less-than-impressive win, and so can we (potentially). And if we don't it won't be this somewhat disappointing win that did us in, it'll be losses down the road that we've not yet suffered.

Again, I wasn't a bit happy with our second-half performance last night but we won by 22 points. That game won't be key to our fate come March. There will be much more meaningful wins and losses for the committee to consider by then. This one will be well down the list.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It hurt us for one day (so far). It'll be a distant non-memory come March.

For God’s sake, is it that tough to understand? Every single game matters. This game hurt us. If I miss my first shot and then make 99 in a row, the first shot still hurts my overall percentage. Regardless of what happens in our remaining 20 games, last night’s game will remain on our resume. Kansas City will still be one of 31 data points. They will still be a team with a horrible NET ranking. That hurts our SOS. The fact we didn’t blow them out also hurts us. So no matter what happens from this point on, our final NET and KenPom rating will be lower than it otherwise would be because we played a garbage team and beat them by less than we should have. Of course our rating will fluctuate throughout the season. Anyone with a brain knows that. But again, last night, and all of the other mediocre efforts we have given against crap teams, are blemishes on our resume. People can gripe all they want about whether they think that SHOULD matter, but every coach has known for a good decade that it does. So we need to stop scheduling a ton of these games, and if not, we need to be good enough to beat the piss out of these teams.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Just a small breakdown below. Granted, correlation does not equal causation, but there is a small trend in playing lower teams + beating those teams at a higher rate. I went with 200+, bc it allowed me to include more teams for Kruger's schedule. Also, if I were to show only 300+, it would get sad fast.


*2026 we also have 7 total games vs. 200+ teams

It shows that we blowout teams at a much lower rate with Moser with more 200+ KP teams on the schedule.

Again, to caveat there is also regular season wins, conference shifts, and portal that affect both coaches differently, but it doesn't seem positive on the trend side of the house.

Also 2020 and 2024 are two outlier years for correlation.

Lol no kidding. I can understand bitching about the on court product but to bitch and moan about non conference SOS in real time is next level self-loathing.

To be fair, one could argue this is one in the same. (which is what I am doing above - I am also a tortured basketball fan lol)

 

[TEvans4Three]

Top 10-25 teams with 200+ KP Teams:


There is method to my madness. Good teams will beat bad teams well.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Just a small breakdown below. Granted, correlation does not equal causation, but there is a small trend in playing lower teams + beating those teams at a higher rate. I went with 200+, bc it allowed me to include more teams for Kruger's schedule. Also, if I were to show only 300+, it would get sad fast.

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*2026 we also have 7 total games vs. 200+ teams

It shows that we blowout teams at a much lower rate with Moser with more 200+ KP teams on the schedule.

Again, to caveat there is also regular season wins, conference shifts, and portal that affect both coaches differently, but it doesn't seem positive on the trend side of the house.

Also 2020 and 2024 are two outlier years for correlation.


To be fair, one could argue this is one in the same. (which is what I am doing above - I am also a tortured basketball fan lol)

Man, such a stark difference in scheduling philosophy. Under Lon, we played an average of 3 teams at 200+ in those years. Under Moser, we will be at 6, and as you mentioned, many (most) are actually 300+ under him. The man seems incapable of learning.

 

[BoulderSooner]

How many conference games do we need to win? If we get left out and win one more than a team from the Big 12 that gets in are you OK with that?

I don’t get your argument. We all know our ceiling is not really high and the little things matter. If we get left out of the tournament it impacts next year more and the hole gets deeper. It’s easy to say “just win games” but we know we will likely be a bubble team and if not, as Wichita indicated, this also impacts seeding.

It’s also easy to say just win enough conference games to leave no doubts for the committee but that is not where our program is right now. This is not 1989.

and it is such a simple thing to fix ... don't schedule the bottom 100 teams in the country .. is a pretty low bar to clear . .