Iowa State

[womenssports]

Haven't been able to listen, so 44-29 with 6:43 in the third quarter. Ana 4 fouls now and Simpson 3. We could come back but not sure it will happen.

EDIT: Thought the stat showed Ana with 4, but only three. Sorry.

 

[womenssports]

Wish our players would develop that 10 or 15 foot fall away that Jackie Stiles shot so well. Ana is getting blocked going to the basket.

 

[soonermom1000]

Just starting the 4th quarter.... IA ST 48 OU 49

Looks like we are in foul trouble....Simpson, Llanusa, and Williams all have 4 fouls. made 6 of 20 in 3's

Robertson has 15, Gregory, 12. Ana 10

 

[soonermom1000]

Llanusa and Williams have fouled out We have fouled 22 times to their 11.
IA St. 60 OU 59 1:47 left....

 

[soonermom1000]

Final IA ST 63 OU 59

 

[rocjunkie]

We only had 3 turnovers in the second half but could not hit crucial layups during crunch time that would have been the difference in the game. The difference in fouls were ridiculous (25-12), time to move on to bedlam, hope we can do better.

 

[womenssports]

I don't follow as closely as many of you, but it seems we have to come back from a big deficit in so many games. And, often when that is the case we win, sometimes in overtime. So why do we get down if we are able to come back and win. Is this something that is going on with other teams in the conference now, just OU? It is like we don't play 4 quarters or not well. Just looking for opinions and maybe my impression is wrong about having to come back so often.

 

[atlantasooner]

Tough road loss. Obviously not having Madi/Ana at the end really hurts. This team does not have the depth to absorb both of those losses.

I think the deficits are a function of the turnovers and lack of quality depth. There's no real bench so when subs have to come in/scoring drops considerable/and or lack of positive possessions due to turnovers leads to quick leads developing.

At least in Ames, on the road at a place that was nightmare for good to great OU teams, this squad showed some real life mounting a comeback and did not just get blown out.

 

[womenssports]

At least in Ames, on the road at a place that was nightmare for good to great OU teams, this squad showed some real life mounting a comeback and did not just get blown out

Good point.

 

[atlantasooner]

Being objective as possible, it's hard to really evaluate where OU is right now.
There's obvious improvement year over year.
But the program is not back to the previous standard of 2000 to 2015. (we can debate the year timeframe but it's roughly close)
There appears to be some good young players on the roster. Madi, Robertson, Scott, Gregory. All with pretty high trajectories
There's still a shortage of Big 12 quality upperclassman. It's only Ana. Simpson tries hard but game over game should not be starting for a Big 12 team.
There are still a number of roster players who are not making any real contributions and seem to be scouting/recruiting mistakes. Great kids, but not Big 12 quality.
There's at least 3 potential transfers from that group.
Bloom is a complete mystery. The signs that she's not seeing any playing time right now are not promising.
The biggest concern is that there's only newcomer when OU should use every ship possible.
And OU cannot get out this hole without better more consistent recruiting.

 

[sooner8693]

Being objective as possible, it's hard to really evaluate where OU is right now.
There's obvious improvement year over year.
But the program is not back to the previous standard of 2000 to 2015. (we can debate the year timeframe but it's roughly close)
There appears to be some good young players on the roster. Madi, Robertson, Scott, Gregory. All with pretty high trajectories
There's still a shortage of Big 12 quality upperclassman. It's only Ana. Simpson tries hard but game over game should not be starting for a Big 12 team.
There are still a number of roster players who are not making any real contributions and seem to be scouting/recruiting mistakes. Great kids, but not Big 12 quality.
There's at least 3 potential transfers from that group.
Bloom is a complete mystery. The signs that she's not seeing any playing time right now are not promising.
The biggest concern is that there's only newcomer when OU should use every ship possible.
And OU cannot get out this hole without better more consistent recruiting.

There is no incentive to improve as long as SC and CC are drawing those checks.

 

[Soonercuda]

Bloom is simply another recruiting evaluation error..just not good enough for the level OU aspires. With the improvement shown this year Sherri likely has another year to keep the improvement going. So this recruiting season is a critical year...all the assistants will have been here long enough to impact recruiting. We have to win some battles this year for our plan A recruits.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I think a bigger concern from a fans perspective is Sherri's plan A recruits are not at a level that is needed to compete at the very top of the Big 12. She has kids that have some talent and need development but not the all Big quality players she needs in numbers.

I am not certain those players qualify for Sherri's play profile. JHMO.

 

[atlantasooner]

spock,
The hit rate on kids is too low. And the first new class is only one player when OU needs at least 3 players.
PG
SG/WF for depth
Mobile big for depth
We have a PG but not the other two.
Basically Sherri's talent evaluation skills the last 6 years are highly suspect.

 

[sooner8693]

spock,
The hit rate on kids is too low. And the first new class is only one player when OU needs at least 3 players.
PG
SG/WF for depth
Mobile big for depth
We have a PG but not the other two.
Basically Sherri's talent evaluation skills the last 6 years are highly suspect.

It is probably difficult to evaluate when you don't like to recruit. SC having stated she doesn't like to recruit. You're just hoping some "good players" land in your lap and meet SC's "model" of her type player.

 

[SoonerSpock]

spock,
The hit rate on kids is too low. And the first new class is only one player when OU needs at least 3 players.
PG
SG/WF for depth
Mobile big for depth
We have a PG but not the other two.
Basically Sherri's talent evaluation skills the last 6 years are highly suspect.

As a season ticket holder for 15 years all you say above is true. But the basis reason for lack of success IMHO is she has established a player profile that eliminates most of the top 50 kids from consideration and a very high percentage of the next 100 kids. Therefore they couldn't go to OU if they wanted to.

Until she changes that profile it is not possible for her to sign the numbers needed as they just are not out there. It is a numbers game she cannot win. JMHO.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

As a season ticket holder for 15 years all you say above is true. But the basis reason for lack of success IMHO is she has established a player profile that eliminates most of the top 50 kids from consideration and a very high percentage of the next 100 kids. Therefore they couldn't go to OU if they wanted to.

Until she changes that profile it is not possible for her to sign the numbers needed as they just are not out there. It is a numbers game she cannot win. JMHO.

Very accurate analysis. As I have been saying, she is facing the same problems D Royal faced near the end at Texas. Plus he often said he didn't like to recruit. Those attitudes cannot be successful.

On another point. Why do you think we continually have serious problems with turnovers? You would think we would at least try to solve that problem. I have my ideas, but want to hear other opinions.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Because there's no punishment, I presume, being handed out for continually turning the ball over like TV and Mercer do. Perhaps I should say not much punishment because we have to play those two ladies some out of necessity.

That's why I like Williams and Robertson bringing the ball up, they are much more steady and it frees both, especially Williams, to drive to the breakfast if the defense is going to sag off.

 

[TheMont]

I like Madi and she is integral to this team's success, but I wouldn't say she's more steady than Tatum or Mercer. Madi has a team-leading 87 turnovers on the season (compared to 45 assists).

Tatum and T-Rob are the only people on the team with more assists than turnovers on the season, excluding Lemon (wow, remember her?) and Liz Scott who, in limited playing time, has 4 assists and 4 turnovers.

Obviously your point guards are relied upon to run the offense and take care of the ball, but to blame the nearly decade-long turnover epidemic on our two current point guards isn't fair IMO. Every single person on this team turns it over WAY too much and I do agree that it seems to be due to lack of punishment. I can't recall someone riding the bench after a really bad pass (or two... or seven).

However, even the really good SC teams turned it over way too much, too! It's as if Coach Coale has resigned to having a lot of turnovers as if they are just a symptom of the offense she runs.

 

[rocjunkie]

Very accurate analysis. As I have been saying, she is facing the same problems D Royal faced near the end at Texas. Plus he often said he didn't like to recruit. Those attitudes cannot be successful.

On another point. Why do you think we continually have serious problems with turnovers? You would think we would at least try to solve that problem. I have my ideas, but want to hear other opinions.

No accountability. When the staff doesn't pull and sit players that continue to make the same mistakes over and over, improvement is not going to happen. The mistakes I see are easily correctable and any coach with the sense of watching film can see the constant mistakes that are going on. I just don't think Sherri cares.