Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

[Oliver Hardy]

I’ve been watching for several games now, when possible, the interaction between Maddie and Coale when Manning goes to the bench. In several of the last few games I’ve seen Coale dismiss her attempts to talk when she comes to the bench (she did it during the TCU game). She just seems to dismiss her and yesterday there was a kind of get away flick of the hand gesture when Maddie walked by — like get away from
me. I don’t want to talk to you.

I’ve seen her do a type dismissive, I’m
pissed at how crappy you are play, flick
of the hand and turn her back on her a bit.

I am beginning to think Coale is mad at Maddie for not leading this team strongly enough and for having performances like yesterday.

We all know once you are in Sherri’s doghouse there ain’t much way of ever getting out.

It could be nothing. Maddie has had her moments this season and she not had moments this season - yesterday she had no moments or even seconds.

My thinking was that Coale wants Maddie to become this great player and leader of the team and it’s just clear Maddie is not and never will be.

Anyway, watch the interaction between them during games and let’s see if I’m
crazy.


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[Mac]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

Coale has pretty much lost this team, there’s not leadership, no go to player, no consistent offense... maybe Sherri is giving Manning a hard time to light a fire under her, but Manning isn’t that player... I’m willing to bet if we hadn’t lost the 2016 class, Dungee would be our go to player, and Mulkey would be starting at center. While both players had there flaws losing them has hurt the dept of the team... ViVi is good, but she’s not really a starting center, and seems to play better vs second string post. Had Mulkey been here she would be starting and giving us some so so minutes but still enough to have other teams try and shot over her. At the start of the season Sherri said a lot of good things about Manning wanting the ball and how she was going to step it up, but after all the surgeries she’s been through expecting her to be some break out star years later was asking for a lot...

Losing the TCU game really hurt our chances of a post season run, anything less then winning like 3 games we shouldn’t and for the 1st time and a long time OU will be at home come late March...

 

[SoonerSpock]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I’ve been watching for several games now, when possible, the interaction between Maddie and Coale when Manning goes to the bench. In several of the last few games I’ve seen Coale dismiss her attempts to talk when she comes to the bench (she did it during the TCU game). She just seems to dismiss her and yesterday there was a kind of get away flick of the hand gesture when Maddie walked by — like get away from
me. I don’t want to talk to you.

I’ve seen her do a type dismissive, I’m
pissed at how crappy you are play, flick
of the hand and turn her back on her a bit.

I am beginning to think Coale is mad at Maddie for not leading this team strongly enough and for having performances like yesterday.

We all know once you are in Sherri’s doghouse there ain’t much way of ever getting out.

It could be nothing. Maddie has had her moments this season and she not had moments this season - yesterday she had no moments or even seconds.

My thinking was that Coale wants Maddie to become this great player and leader of the team and it’s just clear Maddie is not and never will be.

Anyway, watch the interaction between them during games and let’s see if I’m
crazy.


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Interesting observation. There is no question in my mind that Sherri had the same anticipation for Maddie that several on this board had. They expected Maddie to be this Whitney Hand caliber player that was going to lead this team to the next level. I will be watching to see if Sherri is manifesting her exasperation with Maddie in future games.

Maddie was never that player not this year, not last year nor the year before. Maddie is a quality Big 12 starter that has a lot of skills. She can shoot, she can defend, she can rebound and she can pass. Not many can do all four.
But she cannot consistently bring her "A" but about 50% of the time, if that.

Maddie was honorable mention All Big 12 last year as a junior and that is about as good as she has played in her career and what hindsight says we should expect of her. I feel certain that Sherri has been as exasperated with Maddie as the OU WBB fans have been. Unfortunately we have all wanted Maddie to be someone she mentally is not capable of being as she has shown for multiple years. It is a frequent occurrence for a multitude of players in all sports because it is extremely difficult to live up to expectations on the hardwood or playing field. I feel certain she did the best she could do just not what was hoped for her. She has been an quality young lady that gave all she had for the OU WBB team.

 

[sybarite]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I enjoyed listening to the TCU commentatorss yesterday because they recognized and commented several times that Sherri Coale is an outstanding coach. If I were to be a fan for the next two hundred years, I might learn enough to question Sherri.

It has been obvious for two years that Sherri wishes that Maddie were Stacy Dales. She got angry with her last year for not taking the first shot of the game. I think she held her out for a half. Maddie ended up with about twenty. But, too many times, Maddie has taken the first shot, only to hit a three for her only points of the first half. When she scores big, it is within the flow of the game, not due to a determination to score.

Sometimes, you have to recognize what you have. I guess that I'm the only one that believes it. But, Maddie has been the game-changer in a number of key games, nearly always by what she does on defense. Maddie shut Donohoe down to zero, blocking every shot, at a time when Donohoe was unstoppable. I think it was last year early, maybe the year before, when she shut Atkins down completely. She has shut down some key forwards and shooting guards. Nobody seems to notice.

She took apart TCU in one game, strickly by what she did on defense. She blocked shots, caught them in midair and threw them to Peyton or TT who streaked down the court for layups. Her defense probably meant about ten straight points in a game that had been close in Fort Worth. Her hands are everywhere, and I find it interesting that every announcer on every network has talked about her hands on defense. No mention from OU.

She isn't having a good shooting year. Thumb? She got the cast off two games ago. Played about ten games with it. She was our best shooter last year. Suddenly, she can't hit? I think there is a problem in that Sherri wants Maddie to create her shot. Maddie is not particularly good at that. She is great at it if it comes within the flow of the game. But, it doesn't work when she tries to force it.

Now, yesterday. I was disappointed because I thought we were trying to force a square peg into a round hole team. This team operates very effectively if it moves and shoots. Forget the XXXXX post. Let the post points come naturally. Vivi isn't great at forcing them either. She missed a lot of cripples early that helped set the tone.

We had Shaina standing at the top of the key dribbling. We used to do that with Gabbi, then Maddie. When that happens, nobody moves. There are no good shots. We scored like mad against Kansas by just rotating and passing, finding open shots. Why go back to a set offense that really isn't all that effective for us, especially against the best teams?

Maybe Sherri is trying to reel in the freshmen by teaching them a system in which they won't throw it away. But, it seems to cause them to throw it away without getting the positives. I know she knows what she is doing. But, I didn't like coming out with the point guard a the top of the key. In an open court, with a lot of movement, Shaina is faster, Ana is more definitive, Maddie finds ways to get the ball, and Gabbi explodes when nobody 6-0 is guarding her as she shoots. Run. Run. Run some more. Do not work through the post until everything else is flowing.

Yesterday was frustrating because I didn't understand. Let players do what they are good at.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I don’t disagree with anything anyone has said. I only brought it up because it has been a recurring thing.

Remember, she set Maddie down for much of the first quarter, which seemed odd. I can remember if she picked up two quick fouls or what. I didn’t think she’d fouls anybody by then.

That’s really the catalyst for what got me wondering about this. That and shoo-away motion with the hand. Maybe that hand shoo away was intended as a butt tap.


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[sybarite]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I don’t disagree with anything anyone has said. I only brought it up because it has been a recurring thing.

Remember, she set Maddie down for much of the first quarter, which seemed odd. I can remember if she picked up two quick fouls or what. I didn’t think she’d fouls anybody by then.

That’s really the catalyst for what got me wondering about this. That and shoo-away motion with the hand. Maybe that hand shoo away was intended as a butt tap.


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No. Sherri has had a love/hate relationship with Maddie. She pulled Maddie because she threw the ball behind Shaina on a turnover. I don't think Maddie had shot yet either. She has pulled Maddie for a quarter several times. If anything, it stops any opportunity for momentum because we really only have five solid contributors.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I sometimes wonder why we have so many turnovers year after year.

Is too much being asked of the skill set of our players?

Are we not athletic enough?

Are we not able to teach the right skills?

Are we playing a scheme that does not fit the type players we recruit?

Turnovers are the main reason we've struggled year after year recently

Any thoughts?

 

[SoonerSpock]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I sometimes wonder why we have so many turnovers year after year.

Is too much being asked of the skill set of our players?

Are we not athletic enough?

Are we not able to teach the right skills?

Are we playing a scheme that does not fit the type players we recruit?

Turnovers are the main reason we've struggled year after year recently

Any thoughts?

Great questions that beget answers we don't want to hear.

 

[tooney]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

I sometimes wonder why we have so many turnovers year after year.

Is too much being asked of the skill set of our players?

Are we not athletic enough?

Are we not able to teach the right skills?

Are we playing a scheme that does not fit the type players we recruit?

Turnovers are the main reason we've struggled year after year recently

Any thoughts?

I think some of it is we're not athletic enough.....against Baylor, their starters averaged 3 inches taller than ours. I think the days of 5'6'' point guards is over if you want to compete with the elite teams. Along with players standing flat-footed trying to rebound the ball. Better athletes will help. But more often than not, the better athletes will win the ballgame.

I have also noticed that if we are on offense after a time-out, often it is followed by a turnover. I don't know if SC has drawn up a play and the players feel like they are forced to run it or ????? Our players have trouble with spacing while on offense.

And sometimes I just don't know what SC is doing. Yesterday in the TCU game, in the fourth quarter, I noticed that on alternating possessions, we had three different point guards. Shania was the pg, then gabbi, then maddie, or some combination thereof. I don't know if she was trying to run different plays with each pg, or just what she was trying to do????

And I don't believe they value the possessions enough....I often see passes that have very little chance of being successful. But with a short bench, they play on.....

And I agree that turnovers have been a big problem for the team for years, and you would think that it would improve.......

 

[Hoopdreams79]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

A true point guard makes this team 20 pts better. And when i say true pg that is a player that will elevate the players around them.

Confidence breeds success....this team needs more of those type of players. I don’t put blame i just say work to improve it.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Re: Is Maddie’s performance hacking Coale off?

One reason I ask is this. We are shooting 0.459% on twos and 0.341 on threes in conference play. Just a bit less than 25% of the shots we make are 3's.

If you do the calculations that means the following in a given game:

# of fewer TO's..........Approximate Additional Points
............4........................................4
............5........................................5
............6........................................6
............7........................................7
............8........................................8
............9........................................9
............10......................................10

Obviously that translates into a number of additional wins. Turnovers are costing us quite a bit.