Is Offensive Basketball Dead in the College Game?

[gracefor24]

There are definitely points of emphasis which the NCAA needs to address concerning rules and their enforcement. I just don't want this to turn into the NBA where traveling is ok, defensive three seconds is implemented (zone defenses are a part of the game) and touch fouls are called at a higher rate, which in turn makes the game a glorified free throw contest. I don't want to watch offensive players jumping five feet in front or to the side in an attempt to draw contact.

Remember how everyone was b*tching about the KSU-CU game in Boulder this year? There were like 50+ free throws attempted.

I wanted Duke to lose more than anyone, but its tough for me to feel bad for Howard on the play, he should of fouled out about 5-6 minutes prior. Watch him when he is in the game, he is constantly fouling someone, it's pretty funny.

The officials definitely let them play last night, but I thought both teams went after each other hard, neither one gained a distinct advantage.

Yeah, I think you can add some rule changes without becoming the worse things about the NBA. I also like how the NBA changed the Bonus situation based on quarters so that way it resets. I'd rather see four 10 minute quarters and reset the bonus at the end of each one so that foul trouble doesn't impact the game so much. In college if you get in the bonus super early it is a HUGE advantage and it puts HUGE pressure on officials to be careful with their calls after that.

 

[AdaSooner]

There are definitely points of emphasis which the NCAA needs to address concerning rules and their enforcement. I just don't want this to turn into the NBA where traveling is ok, defensive three seconds is implemented (zone defenses are a part of the game) and touch fouls are called at a higher rate, which in turn makes the game a glorified free throw contest. I don't want to watch offensive players jumping five feet in front or to the side in an attempt to draw contact.

Remember how everyone was b*tching about the KSU-CU game in Boulder this year? There were like 50+ free throws attempted.

I wanted Duke to lose more than anyone, but its tough for me to feel bad for Howard on the play, he should of fouled out about 5-6 minutes prior. Watch him when he is in the game, he is constantly fouling someone, it's pretty funny.

The officials definitely let them play last night, but I thought both teams went after each other hard, neither one gained a distinct advantage.

Given a choice, I'll take games where the officials allow teams to play over a closely called game every single time. I hate it when the sound of whistles blowing is more annoying than Dickie V or Bill Rafferty's worn out cliches'.

But I don't think there is any question that officials are no longer giving offensive players the benefit of calls that usually went in their favor in the past. I'm not saying that's all bad, just that it could be one of the reasons why teams can shoot a poor percentage from the field and still have a chance to win in the final four or any other level of college basketball.

 

[gracefor24]

Given a choice, I'll take games where the officials allow teams to play over a closely called game every single time. I hate it when the sound of whistles blowing is more annoying than Dickie V or Bill Rafferty's worn out cliches'.

But I don't think there is any question that officials are no longer giving offensive players the benefit of calls that usually went in their favor in the past. I'm not saying that's all bad, just that it could be one of the reasons why teams can shoot a poor percentage from the field and still have a chance to win in the final four or any other level of college basketball.

I agree that you have to let players play. I think the thing that is helping the NBA is they know when and where they can be physical and what types of things will be called every time. That allows the game to flow a lot better, imo.

 

[Edmond_Sooner]

eliminate hand-checking and the body contact they allow when players are beat off the dribble and you solve 80% of the problems with the college game...

You might actually see a return of the mid-range and consistent 3 pt shooting...

 

[cowboysooner]

It's real simple in my opinion. Just keep people off of the shooters and don't allow charges under the rim. Otherwise, you can let them play. I really don't think officiating has changed much, save and except that a lot more contact is allowed on the shooters.

Both Duke and Butler, as well as every Big 10 team, make contact on the shooter on every shot. Might just be a check to the stomach, tap on the arm, run through with body contact after the shot, but it is something to mess physically, or at least mentally, with the shooter. Just keeps them out of cync. Sampson made a living teaching this type of mug ball (loved Kelvin so don't take this the wrong way) and brought it straight from the big ten.

In fact, i think Big Ten teams perform a little better than expected in the NCAA because the officals let the teams play a little more in the NCAA than in the regular season and the Big Ten teams play that way all year and are used to it.

Brother used to be an offical and he tells me that that officating really changed about 20 years ago and not in the last few years. He thinks it has been a lot more physical on shooters and in the lane for about 20 years but who knows. Again, it is just my opinion (and his) but disallow charges under the rim and get people off of the shooters and otherwise leave it alone.

 

[thebigabd]

1.) Don't allow charges under the rim. The rule change was horrible this year because they didnt put a freakin' circle like the NBA so the calls were incredibly inconsistent.

2.) Extend the 3pt line out more.

3.) 28 second shot clock

 

[Crimson King]

I hate NBA rules. The 3 is fine where it is. But they do need to start calling the college game a little tighter from the beginning of the season to encourage more flow. Still, give me last night over a 102-100 NBA "classic" any day of the week. Great D on both sides in the title game.

 

[gracefor24]

i hate nba rules. The 3 is fine where it is. But they do need to start calling the college game a little tighter from the beginning of the season to encourage more flow. Still, give me last night over a 102-100 nba "classic" any day of the week. Great d on both sides in the title game.

lol.

 

[Sooner04]

I hate NBA rules. The 3 is fine where it is. But they do need to start calling the college game a little tighter from the beginning of the season to encourage more flow. Still, give me last night over a 102-100 NBA "classic" any day of the week. Great D on both sides in the title game.

I didn't see great D last night. I saw lots of mugging and lots of open jumpers that were bricked.

That's kinda the whole theme of my post......

 

[NickZepp]

I think this was just a weak year in the NCAA in general. This year there were about 10 or so teams that were all about the same. And all of them had weaknesses.

 

[ChampsIn2011]

I ask because I had a real hard time finding good offensive ball in the NCAA Tournament. Butler and West Virginia had two of the worst shooting performances in NCAA history during their runs to Indianapolis and both make the Final Four. Butler has huge scoring droughts in both of their games over the weekend yet win one and come within an eyelash of winning the other.

I'm no basketball zen master or anything, but I think I've got a pretty good feel for what I see. And what I see is not good defense, it's bad offense. Purdue's got the ball in a tie game against eATMe with the clock running out. There are no screens, there are no cuts. Just a guy dribbling up top, and he ends up falling down and no shot is even attempted.

It seems like more and more coaches are being hired who are slaves to defense and neglect anything that resembles an intelligent offense. I'm ALL FOR good defense, but I'd like to see some guys make some shots. In my opinion, you can take any good athlete and turn him into a good defender, but a great offensive game is more of a blessing. That's why Bruce Bowen can be called a lockdown defender while hitting about 40% of his free throws. Defense can be taught, but the blessing, the gifts, they come from upon high when it comes to putting the ball into the hoop.

The NBA and the NCAA game are two different animals, but it seems to me that NCAA coaches are trying to implement parts of the NBA game into the college level. All it's doing is mucking things up. I'm seeing more isolations than ever, but that doesn't appear to be working. The shot clock is longer and the lane is more narrow. There's no room to operate down there.

Butler came within a Hayward fadeaway of having the lead with five seconds to go. That's remarkable, but even more remarkable is how they got there by throwing up nothing but bricks. Observe:

Game 1: 23/50 (46.0%)
Game 2: 18/50 (36.0%)
Game 3: 21/52 (40.4%)
Game 4: 21/46 (45.7%)
Game 5: 15/49 (30.6%)
Game 6: 20/61 (32.8%)

That's 118/308 for 38.3%. They missed 75 of their 110 shots in the two Final Four games and damn near won the championship. How is that possible?

Will we ever see really good offensive teams again? Players who can hit shots in both the mid-range and from deep? I'm not advocating a return to the "ole" mindset where we hurry you into a shot so we can get the ball back. I'd just like to see some guys put the ball in the bucket for a change.


Seems like those days are a distant memory.

Yeah, it is the 90s NBA, but without the superstar talent (other than for a year, for some teams), and without the pre-90s skillset that the European players have brought to the NBA.

I never thought I'd say or think it, but NBA basketball is better than college basketball, nowadays.

 

[NickZepp]

The NBA today has fouls being called every 5 seconds. That's not really all that great offense.

 

[ChampsIn2011]

The NBA today has fouls being called every 5 seconds. That's not really all that great offense.

The superstar calls have always been terribly annoying, but the superstar college teams get the same horse**** calls.

Plus, it seems like that peaked in the NBA in the Dwayne Wade vs. the Dallas Mavericks finals a few years ago and has decreased since then.

 

[BAsooner]

there is a ton of mugging in the college game. Its just all jammed up in the lane

 

[campbest]

I didn't see great D last night. I saw lots of mugging and lots of open jumpers that were bricked.

That's kinda the whole theme of my post......

Butler doesn't play good defense?

 

[gracefor24]

The NBA today has fouls being called every 5 seconds. That's not really all that great offense.

Wow, hyperbole much? The NBA game, despite more fouls called (though the game is longer) is much more free flowing than the college game.

 

[thebigabd]

Nobody is talking about the shot clock.... when you allow a team 35-70 seconds (if they get an offensive rebound and reset, which happens all the time) to just stand around out there its going to be ugly and kill offense.

Teams are taking the air out of the ball on purpose. I see them running down the shot clock all the time.

The NBA moves faster because of a lot of the things listed in this thread, but a 24 second shot clock is a big part of that. They have to shoot much faster and get into a play MUCH faster in order to succeed.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't think I've ever seen so many college basketball fans on a college basketball forum claiming the NBA game was more fun to watch.

 

[Sawyer]

Nobody is talking about the shot clock.... when you allow a team 35-70 seconds (if they get an offensive rebound and reset, which happens all the time) to just stand around out there its going to be ugly and kill offense.

Teams are taking the air out of the ball on purpose. I see them running down the shot clock all the time.

The NBA moves faster because of a lot of the things listed in this thread, but a 24 second shot clock is a big part of that. They have to shoot much faster and get into a play MUCH faster in order to succeed.

Instead of changing the rules, teams could, you know... try to guard the guy.

 

[Tundrasooner]

NBA = blah...

College does need to call more fouls though. It would be ugly for a while then teams/players would adjust. Handchecking needs to be called.
Get rid of TV timeouts especially if a team has just called one. No need for one right after that. I can not stand it when a team calls a Timeout then 10 seconds later there is a TV timeout. Ruins the flow of the game.

Wow, hyperbole much? The NBA game, despite more fouls called (though the game is longer) is much more free flowing than the college game.

Pretty easy to get a flow going when there is zero defense being played.

Butler doesn't play good defense?

Butler plays great defense.

I think this was just a weak year in the NCAA in general. This year there were about 10 or so teams that were all about the same. And all of them had weaknesses.

agree