Is the Big 12 ever going to get to 12 teams?

[thebigabd]

I was noticing the other night the ESPN commercial for the Big 12... talking about how each team plays each other home and away... Do they just need to stay a 10 team league and rename the conference? Or do they have some kind of interest in getting back up to 12 teams?

If I could pick I would ask for Nebraska and Colorado back.

 

[NickZepp]

Nebraska competetively probably would like back in because they've become terrible in basketball and football since then because they aren't a fit for the Big 10 area.

I doubt the Big 12 expands because there aren't teams that would fit and bring money in. Louisville was really the only option when the entire conference movement thing was going on about 10 years ago. But that fell through. The only real options left are Central and South Florida.

 

[thebigabd]

Nebraska competetively probably would like back in because they've become terrible in basketball and football since then because they aren't a fit for the Big 10 area.

I doubt the Big 12 expands because there aren't teams that would fit and bring money in. Louisville was really the only option when the entire conference movement thing was going on about 10 years ago. But that fell through. The only real options left are Central and South Florida.

Nebraska and Colorado don't bring money in?

 

[BAsooner]

Would be great

 

[BoulderSooner]

Nebraska competetively probably would like back in because they've become terrible in basketball and football since then because they aren't a fit for the Big 10 area.

I doubt the Big 12 expands because there aren't teams that would fit and bring money in. Louisville was really the only option when the entire conference movement thing was going on about 10 years ago. But that fell through. The only real options left are Central and South Florida.

louisville didn't "fall through" the conf picked wvu instead

 

[NickZepp]

louisville didn't "fall through" the conf picked wvu instead

I think they were also trying to get a team with Louisville but that fell through too. Realistically there aren't 2 teams that will bring in money for the Big 12.

 

[NickZepp]

Nebraska and Colorado don't bring money in?

They aren't leaving their conferences. It's like asking Arkansas to leave the SEC at this point.

 

[NickZepp]

If I remember right the team they were talking about bringing in with Louisville and West Virginia was like New Mexico. It seemed like UConn and Louisville would have made sense at least for basketball even though at the time neither was that good at football.

 

[MJSooner]

Nebraska competetively probably would like back in because they've become terrible in basketball and football since then because they aren't a fit for the Big 10 area.

I doubt the Big 12 expands because there aren't teams that would fit and bring money in. Louisville was really the only option when the entire conference movement thing was going on about 10 years ago. But that fell through. The only real options left are Central and South Florida.

Doubt Nebraska would do ever consider it. Revenue payout from the B1G was over $50MM, Big XII-2 was like $40MM.

 

[thebigabd]

They aren't leaving their conferences. It's like asking Arkansas to leave the SEC at this point.

I imagine Central Florida makes money, but not South Florida. So I think it would make more sense to do Central Florida and Southern Miss or something.

Central Florida reports $62 million in athletics revenue... That is #1 in nation for non P5 school. Right behind them (basically a tie) is Cincinnati. Beyond that in the region, Colorado State is not too far behind.

So if you take Central Florida and Cincy, I think that is best case scenario. If you don't want an urban school, take Central Florida and Colorado State.

 

[NickZepp]

I imagine Central Florida makes money, but not South Florida. So I think it would make more sense to do Central Florida and Southern Miss or something.

Central Florida reports $62 million in athletics revenue... That is #1 in nation for non P5 school. Right behind them (basically a tie) is Cincinnati. Beyond that in the region, Colorado State is not too far behind.

So if you take Central Florida and Cincy, I think that is best case scenario. If you don't want an urban school, take Central Florida and Colorado State.

Memphis may be something you look at a bit if you want someone closer to the region. I don't see Colorado State happening. If the cost isn't enough to really increase much for 2 teams then it's better off sharing with 10 teams that's the way the Big 12 thinks.

 

[thebigabd]

Memphis may be something you look at a bit if you want someone closer to the region. I don't see Colorado State happening. If the cost isn't enough to really increase much for 2 teams then it's better off sharing with 10 teams that's the way the Big 12 thinks.

Now that I think about it, South Florida is probably more expandable than these other programs we are talking about. They play at an NFL stadium, in a large market, in a part of the country with a lot of talent.

So maybe South Florida and Central Florida make more sense to come in as a package.

 

[NickZepp]

Now that I think about it, South Florida is probably more expandable than these other programs we are talking about. They play at an NFL stadium, in a large market, in a part of the country with a lot of talent.

So maybe South Florida and Central Florida make more sense to come in as a package.

It's not gonna happen. You get lesser version of ACC/SEC schools that don't have the history. And I'm not sure either would make money long term even if they do bring in some TV viewers in the area. Adding teams for the Big 12 won't happen.

 

[thebigabd]

It's not gonna happen. You get lesser version of ACC/SEC schools that don't have the history. And I'm not sure either would make money long term even if they do bring in some TV viewers in the area. Adding teams for the Big 12 won't happen.

I have always been of the belief that programs are constrained by the league they play in. Meaning, if South Florida and UCF become Big 12 teams, it will generate way more interest, better recruits, better product, etc and they will essentially become equals after a few years.

Is this line of thinking flawed?

 

[cjhsooner]

louisville didn't "fall through" the conf picked wvu instead

Yes, yes Louisville did. UT did not want Louisville, so the conference catered to them. As usual, similar to the Longhorn Network, which makes the Big 12 Network a non-starter. Hence why this conference is going to die a slow, painful death.

 

[BCSooners]

I have always been of the belief that programs are constrained by the league they play in. Meaning, if South Florida and UCF become Big 12 teams, it will generate way more interest, better recruits, better product, etc and they will essentially become equals after a few years.

Is this line of thinking flawed?

I think it's right, just have to bring in a better coach usually. TCU is miles ahead in both football & basketball than what they were before joining.

 

[Sooner04]

The Big 12 is in no hurry to expand. Here's the dirty little secret: the 10 teams are making a lot of money, and no one coming in to slice the pie 12 ways makes any monetary sense.

 

[sanguinetti]

The Big 12 is in no hurry to expand. Here's the dirty little secret: the 10 teams are making a lot of money, and no one coming in to slice the pie 12 ways makes any monetary sense.

this. and competitively, league is better than i would expected in men's revenue sports losing NU, MU, ATM, and CU. Texas needs to step the F up.....but, if that never happens, OK too.

i think MU and NU would like to have a "do over"....maybe.

 

[MJSooner]

this. and competitively, league is better than i would expected in men's revenue sports losing NU, MU, ATM, and CU. Texas needs to step the F up.....but, if that never happens, OK too.

i think MU and NU would like to have a "do over"....maybe.

Both MIZ and NU is making $10-12MM a year more in their conferences. I think they are just fine with their current living conditions.

The reality is both Missouri's and Nebraska's drop off in both football and basketball are more because of their coaching situations more so than their conferences. Nebraksa was headed that way with the f'en hillbilly Callahan as coach before they left.

The coaching has sucked and they haven't recruited well at all, for the most part (exception Michael Porter Jr.), which has all compounded the situation and both schools for both sports.

With the exception of OU & Texas and KU Bball, this conference is nothing for major programs to relish to be a part of. Even our conference basketball games aren't all televised now, except through an app. We always think that schools that leave regret it, but can't imagine that is the case.

 

[sanguinetti]

Both MIZ and NU is making $10-12MM a year more in their conferences. I think they are just fine with their current living conditions.

The reality is both Missouri's and Nebraska's drop off in both football and basketball are more because of their coaching situations more so than their conferences. Nebraksa was headed that way with the f'en hillbilly Callahan as coach before they left.

The coaching has sucked and they haven't recruited well at all, for the most part (exception Michael Porter Jr.), which has all compounded the situation and both schools for both sports.

With the exception of OU & Texas and KU Bball, this conference is nothing for major programs to relish to be a part of. Even our conference basketball games aren't all televised now, except through an app. We always think that schools that leave regret it, but can't imagine that is the case.

i get that. this area of the country is never going "win the Big War" because of population density.

I know NU and MU fan who regret leaving. AD income is not something that effects all fans the same.

i also don't think the goal of athletics is AD income, some of us are still out thee. because if you are Missouri you might be making more money, but you still can't outspend Alabama or Georgia. you are recruiting like a 3rd and 4th best team in your division. it all capitulates.

Nebraska had a real cache in middle America (as they call it).....for football. but, really, they don't mean anything in Great Lakes or Chicago area....they are 3rd or 4th in the news cycle at best (even with their history, do they have a lot of alums there....doubt it).

those teams had no history, no connections in the recruiting roads. they got shut out of Texas, basically.

i stand by what i say.