Is the Big 12 ever going to get to 12 teams?

[thegreyghost]

not Unless they could pry 2 to 4 teams already in power 5 conferences (big 14 if they pulled 4) chances are slim, but w/ the PAC 12 really hurting $ wise might be an opportunity for a forward thinking league

 

[Sooner04]

Colorado would've taken any offer to leave. They've been wanting to pivot west since they were in the Big 8.

Both Nebbish and Mizzou are making more money, yes, but they neglected to factor in one key component: they lost access to the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas. I'm decent enough acquaintances with a guy who is in tight with Missouri football and he told me they jumped all in to the Georgia/Florida/Tennessee recruiting scene when they joined the league. Once they realized their mistake and tried to get back into Texas they had nothing. Nebbish is the same way. It's too far away, and the prestige of the program faded 20 years ago. Nobody in DFW wants to make six trips a year to Lincoln to watch their kid play when there are a gazillion D-1 schools closer. Nebraska isn't Notre Dame and it damn sure isn't Ohio State. There's no juice.

Being in the Big 12 proved me wrong. I wanted to get out, but it seems now like a perfect fit for Oklahoma. I love everything about the round-robin. I wish they'd shoot the conference CG into the sun, but I love everything else.

And as stated earlier, we make a LOT of money alongside our nine siblings.

 

[sanguinetti]

Colorado would've taken any offer to leave. They've been wanting to pivot west since they were in the Big 8.

this is also true. i've lived in CO since 1986. CU has wanted to go to the Pac.....for whatever reason. They see themselves as a "better cultural fit" Hooray.

but, truth is....the Denver/Boulder market is bs. it's all pro-sport. CU has always had about 50% out of state students so it's really "not" the same state university that a public school is in most states. no one cares in Denver how CU does or the conference they are in....except in the most casual way.

We don't lose much there, as a Big whatever OU is now and will be fan.

ironic thing, is the same has been true for Mizzou since i was a kid. but, they wanted to go to the Big 10. because it was a better "cultural and academic fit".....than we hooligans and farmers of the old Big 8. and Nebraska.

and there was some academic hubris there, too.....is they are an AAU school....but, now they are in the SEC.

 

[NickZepp]

i get that. this area of the country is never going "win the Big War" because of population density.

I know NU and MU fan who regret leaving. AD income is not something that effects all fans the same.

i also don't think the goal of athletics is AD income, some of us are still out thee. because if you are Missouri you might be making more money, but you still can't outspend Alabama or Georgia. you are recruiting like a 3rd and 4th best team in your division. it all capitulates.

Nebraska had a real cache in middle America (as they call it).....for football. but, really, they don't mean anything in Great Lakes or Chicago area....they are 3rd or 4th in the news cycle at best (even with their history, do they have a lot of alums there....doubt it).

those teams had no history, no connections in the recruiting roads. they got shut out of Texas, basically.

i stand by what i say.

From like 1968-2002 how many years did Nebraska end up in the top 10? I would guess it was around 30 times in that 35 year period. If it's not that it's pretty close. Since then they've maybe had a couple years near the top 10 but haven't really been relevant since. Honestly Nebraska's decline started when OU/Nebraska wasn't a deal every year because that was probably a top 3 rivalry in college football.

 

[sanguinetti]

From like 1968-2002 how many years did Nebraska end up in the top 10? I would guess it was around 30 times in that 35 year period. If it's not that it's pretty close. Since then they've maybe had a couple years near the top 10 but haven't really been relevant since. Honestly Nebraska's decline started when OU/Nebraska wasn't a deal every year because that was probably a top 3 rivalry in college football.

i not sure i would posit causality there....as bad as OU was when Dr. Tom retired.

the OU-NU series stopped every year in 96 or 97 i believe when the Big XII as formed into divisions.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The schools which left might be making more money but the additional monies helps them to pay for the non performing sports at their respective campuses, but it has come at a cost to the relevance of the program they cherished most, which is football. For them it has become a win-lose proposition.

 

[stormspencer]

If the Big 12 actually ever decides to expand, football (and the potential revenue from it) will be the driver. As to which teams might be willing to join, I think it's highly unlikely another P-5 school would join....even if it made geographical sense. I also believe potential TV viewers is a big part of the equation as well. I think the Big 12 stays with 10 teams even after the contract is up in a few years.

 

[thebigabd]

If the Big 12 actually ever decides to expand, football (and the potential revenue from it) will be the driver. As to which teams might be willing to join, I think it's highly unlikely another P-5 school would join....even if it made geographical sense. I also believe potential TV viewers is a big part of the equation as well. I think the Big 12 stays with 10 teams even after the contract is up in a few years.

Then they will at least change the name of the league?

 

[stormspencer]

Then they will at least change the name of the league?

You would think so.....but not sure what they would call the league. The Southwest 10? The Midwest 10? The Big Plains Conference?....those all sound pretty bad to me.

 

[Swans]

For all the discussion of adding teams, there’s a greater probability the conference breaks up. The BIG has already let OU and Texas know they’ll be coming hard for them in 2024-25. The SEC and PAC also want these cash cows. The BIG has also said the LHN is not a problem.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Too much brand recognition to switch it

 

[deejay1]

Then they will at least change the name of the league?

Too much brand recognition to switch it

Hoops is right. The Big 10 has 14 teams. The Atlantic 10 has 14 teams. Changing the name to match the number of teams can leave a conference with having to make multiple changes in the future as teams come and go, which can damage brand recognition.

 

[thebigabd]

Hoops is right. The Big 10 has 14 teams. The Atlantic 10 has 14 teams. Changing the name to match the number of teams can leave a conference with having to make multiple changes in the future as teams come and go, which can damage brand recognition.

I accept this reasoning and my opinion has been changed.

 

[skyvue]

Being in the Big 12 proved me wrong. I wanted to get out, but it seems now like a perfect fit for Oklahoma. I love everything about the round-robin. I wish they'd shoot the conference CG into the sun, but I love everything else.

I'm Skyvue and I approve this message.

This is exactly how I feel. I hate giant conferences and if I had my way, the conference championship game would be hastily thrown together at the last minute only in the seasons where there is a legitimate tie atop the conference (read: almost never).

 

[Speedy17]

I imagine Central Florida makes money, but not South Florida. So I think it would make more sense to do Central Florida and Southern Miss or something.

Central Florida reports $62 million in athletics revenue... That is #1 in nation for non P5 school. Right behind them (basically a tie) is Cincinnati. Beyond that in the region, Colorado State is not too far behind.

So if you take Central Florida and Cincy, I think that is best case scenario. If you don't want an urban school, take Central Florida and Colorado State.

Not true, you have to look at where the revenue comes from. With UCF, it is the UCF students paying a required athletic fee. It is all internal subsidy. They do not bring money in.