Kobe has a torn rotator cuff

Hopefully. It's a disgrace to watch his corpse jack up 40 shots a game on his planned 2 year "victory lap."

He's a lamed horse, take him out back and ole yeller him.

And he can have his multiple championship rings and various trophies as decoration for his tombstone.

He's a shell of himself, but the Mamba has earned his place in NBA history. Only one guy ever competed harder....

Every superstar gets old, and most don't quit when they should. Kareem getting his sky hooks blocked and MJ missing dunks due to lack of elevation as a Wizard immediately come to mind......
 
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Every superstar gets old, and most don't quit when they should. Kareem getting his sky hooks blocked and MJ missing dunks due to lack of elevation as a Wizard immediately come to mind......
Not the Laker fan you are (Go Sonics!) but I'm surprised you lumped Kareem onto this list. He was still a solid contributor for a team that went to the Finals his last year ('89).
 
Not the Laker fan you are (Go Sonics!) but I'm surprised you lumped Kareem onto this list. He was still a solid contributor for a team that went to the Finals his last year ('89).

He contributed, but I just remember seeing him missing point blank sky hooks he normally made, and not being the dominant force he was earlier in his fantastic career.

Kareem may be a bad example, as he was the exception to the rule. The guy trained very hard, ate a very disciplined diet, and never had many injuries, especially for a 7 footer.

While Kobe & MJ are well known for their work ethic and conditioning, I also believe all of the early career high flying, and the extra mileage from playing with USA Basketball, and other ventures took a toll. I see the same future for guys like LBJ, KD, etc who all seem to be playing year round.
 
As a Laker fan, are you okay with the fact that he ran Pau out of town and is holding the rebuilding process hostage by signing that absurd contract and being someone that no star is willing to play with?
 
As a Laker fan, are you okay with the fact that he ran Pau out of town and is holding the rebuilding process hostage by signing that absurd contract and being someone that no star is willing to play with?



Most here know I was the loudest voice of concern when the Elder Buss died, and his idiot son took over. One Buss kid can run that team and it's not the idiot trying to do so now. He will continue to run the franchise into the ground until he ends his arrogance and allows people who know the business to have a say.


I hold Kobe responsible for his part in the deal, but the Laker downfall started long before the contract. It started when they locked in on an aging Nash as their future at PG, and brought in the biggest paper soldier in NBA history, Dwight Coward.....

Kobe's contract was just icing on a crap cake.....
 
I hold Kobe responsible for his part in the deal, but the Laker downfall started long before the contract. It started when they locked in on an aging Nash as their future at PG, and brought in the biggest paper soldier in NBA history, Dwight Coward.....

Kobe's contract was just icing on a crap cake.....
Couldn't agree more. What made it worse with Kobe was the righteous indignation he continues to put forth for signing that albatross. The Lakers held all the leverage.....Kobe wasn't going anywhere.

They just caved. And NOW look what they've got.

In closing, go Sonics!
 
The Kobe contract hasn't held anything back. Once Nash got hurt & Howard left the Lakers were in rebuild mode. Paying Kobe was a personal decision for the Buss family. The Nash deal was not for the future it was to win now. It didn't work out but that happens occasionally when you're playing only for titles and swing for the fences.

The Lakers are in a perfect position right now. As Kobe's career ends they have Julius Randle, a top 5 pick this draft and a boatload of salary cap to bring in free agents. The next chapter will begin quickly. The slate is totally clean for the next batch of superstars to take over.
 
The Kobe contract hasn't held anything back. Once Nash got hurt & Howard left the Lakers were in rebuild mode. Paying Kobe was a personal decision for the Buss family. The Nash deal was not for the future it was to win now. It didn't work out but that happens occasionally when you're playing only for titles and swing for the fences.

The Lakers are in a perfect position right now. As Kobe's career ends they have Julius Randle, a top 5 pick this draft and a boatload of salary cap to bring in free agents. The next chapter will begin quickly. The slate is totally clean for the next batch of superstars to take over.


I hope you are right, but I have no confidence in young Buss.....

The Nash contract is still hitting them pretty hard. They should have signed him for less yrs knowing he came in with serious back issues.

If Nash coulda stayed whole, Howard was still going to be a paper soldier. LOL.....
 
I hear you Mizzy but what were the alternatives? Money is not an issue with the Lakers. They are overflowing with it. remember the Lakers were getting dangerous before Kobe's achilles injury. The Nash injury was a total fluke. A broken leg that resulted in nerve damage that just won't go away.

Anyway Nash's contract is done. Kobe's is done next year. Julius Randle is here. The top 5 pick is coming. The Lakers only have $31 million in salary committed next season and $5 million the year after.

Let's say they add Okafor or Mudiay next year. Then add Kevin Durant the year after. Then add Westrook the year after. How would you like them apples? It could absolutely happen. It's LA. It's the Lakers. It's Staples center and Hollywood.
 
I hear you Mizzy but what were the alternatives? Money is not an issue with the Lakers. They are overflowing with it. remember the Lakers were getting dangerous before Kobe's achilles injury. The Nash injury was a total fluke. A broken leg that resulted in nerve damage that just won't go away.

Anyway Nash's contract is done. Kobe's is done next year. Julius Randle is here. The top 5 pick is coming. The Lakers only have $31 million in salary committed next season and $5 million the year after.

Let's say they add Okafor or Mudiay next year. Then add Kevin Durant the year after. Then add Westrook the year after. How would you like them apples? It could absolutely happen. It's LA. It's the Lakers. It's Staples center and Hollywood.



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LA didn't do a good enough job building a team when they got Howard. The Lakers are capable of coming back quick because of their value but you still have to be well run the front office and I'm not seeing that from the Lakers right now. Howard left LA because it was a bad fit for him with the way they built the roster and the mistake of hiring D'Antoni.
 
Nick, the Lakers never had time to build around Howard. He was only here 1 season. They added Nash & Howard to Kobe, Artest & Gasol. It was a dream roster. D'Antoni was the perfect coach for Howard's limited offensive skills. Run the pick & roll with Nash and have Howard dive to the basket for easy dunks. But Howard envisioned him self as an on the block post up guy which he doesn't have the talent for. He never bought in. He probably made the right move leaving because as we've seen the injuries to Nash & Kobe ended up being career ending. Howard is not good enough to build around.

So the Lakers have let Gasol walk, made half hearted attempts at signing Melo & Lebron as free agents. But what they have really done is accept that the Kobe era is over. Made sure they accumulated a couple lottery selections during the transition and cleared all cap space. They didn't do anything desparate like sign Lance Stephenson or Deng to an overpriced contract.

They are perfectly positioned for the next era.
 
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Nick, the Lakers never had time to build around Howard. He was only here 1 season. They added Nash & Howard to Kobe, Artest & Gasol. It was a dream roster. D'Antoni was the perfect coach for Howard's limited offensive skills. Run the pick & roll with Nash and have Howard dive to the basket for easy dunks. But Howard envisioned him self as an on the block post up guy which he doesn't have the talent for. He never bought in. He probably made the right move leaving because as we've seen the injuries to Nash & Kobe ended up being career ending. Howard is not good enough to build around.

So the Lakers have let Gasol walk, made half hearted attempts at signing Melo & Lebron as free agents. But what they have really done is accept that the Kobe era is over. Made sure they accumulated a couple lottery selections during the transition and cleared all cap space. They didn't do anything desparate like sign Lance Stephenson or Deng to an overpriced contract.

They are perfectly positioned for the next era.


Very good point about Coward. If he would buy in like Tyson Chandler does, he would get so many easy dunks and layups off pick & rolls. He is not a back to the basket scorer. Like Chandler, he could use his athleticism and strength to score a lot more on the move.
 
Mizzy I know Gasol has put up some nice numbers in Chicago, but it seems that gritty tough team Thibs is known for appears to have softened up. I'm just saying!!
 
Lakers will add Love this offseason I think, unless the Cavs win the Ship this year.

Love on this Lakers team was a match made in heaven. He can put up huge numbers on an awful team.
 
For the last several years, the Laker organization has lacked a clear vision.

When the Lakers acquired Nash and Howard in 2012, everyone knew that it was going to be a challenge to manage the egos of Kobe, Pau, Nash, and Howard. That's what really made the D'Antoni hiring such a poor decision. D'Antoni is smarter than he gets credit for being, but he's never been known as a great communicator or a guy that's gotten a veteran team to buy in (he inherited a young team in Phoenix, and while he helped sell Nash--a perfect for his system--Phoenix putting $27 million more on the table than Dallas was the biggest selling point). Look at the way the Knicks played before and after D'Antoni: started 18-24 and went 18-6 after his resignation, then went 54-28 the next season playing the same brand of basketball that D'Antoni unsuccessfully tried to get them to play during his tenure. He never figured out how to balance the needs of Amare and Melo or how to integrate Melo into his system. He wouldn't (or couldn't) bench Amare even though Melo was a terrific fit as a small-ball four in his system.

Not only did the Lakers have a coach who couldn't manage the teams personalities, they had two superstar bigs who couldn't co-exist in the coach's offense. Instead of trading Gasol for one or two complementary players who not only better fit D'Antoni's system, but who would also be willing to take a backseat to the remaining Laker superstars, they instead chose to hold on to Pau and lose him for nothing a couple years later, even though it was immediately apparent that a Howard/Gasol duo was doomed to fail under D'Antoni. This is part of what I mean about the organization lacking vision: if you're going to commit to a certain style of basketball by making that type of coaching hire, then give the coach players who fit.

Say what you will about Howard, but he was the key to the Lakers building another contender. Even if you don't believe he's THE guy you can build around, he's a big enough star to help bring that guy into the fold. It's exponentially easier to recruit star players in their prime when you already have one in the fold (and no superstar in his prime is leaving a good situation to play with Kobe in the twilight of his career). Howard was the only chip they had, and the Lakers botched their handling of him so badly that he left money on the table to be second banana to a ball-dominant SG in a less glamorous market, playing in an offensive system that's eerily similar to the one that D'Antoni couldn't sell him on.

For a team that's trying to rebuild by tanking, a lot of the Lakers' offseason moves--such as taking one-year flyers on a bunch of young players, or absorbing Lin's expiring in order to pick up a first-round pick--made sense. On the other hand, if the Lakers genuinely expected to be this bad, they wouldn't have placed a bid on a washed-up Boozer. They wouldn't have given a four-year contract to a vet like Swaggy P. Those moves are inconsistent with a sound rebuilding approach. Again, it's a lack of vision, unless the vision is, "We know we're going to be terrible, but Kobe doesn't, so let's placate our delusional star by surrounding him with big names who put up hollow numbers."

So now the Lakers' plan is hoping that Randle and whoever they draft in 2015 are both instant stars, then convincing Kevin Durant to leave a championship contender in the prime of his career--and to spurn other ready-made contenders, like Washington and Houston--by selling him on the idea of joining a lottery team that features two 20-year-old kids who will have never played in a single NBA playoff game (no matter how good Mudiay/Okafor and Randle are, the Lakers aren't a 2015-16 playoff team)?

Perhaps some sort of mid-decade dip was inevitable, but a series of botched moves is what's led them to rock-bottom. The only time Jerry West and Dr. Buss lost players as valuable as Howard and Gasol without compensation was if those players retired. Call them "soft" or whatever vague, overused adjective you want, but the front office and ownership blew it by not at least flipping those players for valuable assets when they had the chance.
 
With no training camp due to an in season coaching change, Nash breaking his leg, Howard gimpy from back surgery and pouting, D'Antoni still had the Lakers 29-12 in the second half of the season. He was the perfect hire. Nash broke his leg, Kobe blew his achilles and that was that. Howard was wise to leave because he's not a leading man and would have been blamed for future failures.

The Lakers never received an offer worth accepting for Gasol because his contract was up and he was only going to sign with a city he liked. They would rather have cap space than a bad contract.

I personally don't think the Thunder are title contenders. I think a team with KD is a title contender. Especially one with the resources and panache of the Lakers. Westbrook is a stud but in the NBA stud guards abound. The rest of the cast is nothing to write home about. Randle has the looks of a dominant post scorer. If you combined him with Okafor they would potentially be set in front court for a decade.

Boozer was chump change at $3.25 mil for 1 year. Nick Young is a local guy who dates Iggy Azalea and has Hollywood swag. They had to fill out a roster and did so while staying under the luxury tax. It didn't hurt to have a couple vets on the roster just in case because Nash & Kobe both looked excellent in camp.

I don't know if it's Durant, Anthony Davis, etc but somebody is going to step up and want to prove their greatness by leading the Lakers back to the promised land. Somebody will want to prove they are the man. I bet the same doubtful stuff was written back in the 90s before Shaq came in as a free agent during the disfunction after the showtime era.

It's the Lakers, we don't know the entire movie, but we know how it's going to end.
 
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