Last real impact JUCO at OU

[BigTime]

Another thread discussion got me thinking:

1) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO guard at Oklahoma?

2) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO post at Oklahoma?

3) Why the lack of success? (as Sampson and Tubbs both made a living off of JUCOs)

 

[BCSooners]

Another thread discussion got me thinking:

1) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO guard at Oklahoma?

2) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO post at Oklahoma?

3) Why the lack of success? (as Sampson and Tubbs both made a living off of JUCOs)

1) Sam Grooms

2) Juan Patillo (even that might be a stretch). Should of been Manyang.

3) JUCO isn't near what it used to be because of prep schools, and this staff Imo uses JUCO's as fillers instead of getting the best Juco kids to make a roster. Now taking 2 Juco kids in the early signing period, to me, means that they would have higher expectations for these kids.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Déjà vu

Another JUCO discussion

Déjà vu

I guess another slight variation on a well-worn theme is the nature of the beast.

BTW, there are three (3) high school players that are committed to join the roster for the 2019-20 season.

Carry on.

 

[CoachTalk]

Déjà vu

Another JUCO discussion

Déjà vu

I guess another slight variation on a well-worn theme is the nature of the beast.

BTW, there are three (3) high school players that are committed to join the roster for the 2019-20 season.

Carry on.

A five star PG and 2 top 100 kids.

Carry on.

 

[WaymanFan]

Another thread discussion got me thinking:

1) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO guard at Oklahoma?

2) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO post at Oklahoma?

3) Why the lack of success? (as Sampson and Tubbs both made a living off of JUCOs)

Terrell Everett (G) and Taj Gray (F) (same 2004 recruiting class) were the last two JUCOS to make a strong impact. Since then, we're had a few who were solid, serviceable guys, but been way too long since we've had a couple of very good JUCO players. As to WHY, I wish I could come up with something. Lon Kruger signed a JUCO back in the '80s who is now in the NBA Hall of Fame (Mitch Richmond), so I don't know what the story is. I know we have two incoming JUCOs for 2019 who I hope turn out like Everett and Gray.

 

[thebigabd]

End of the day... they don't do well recruiting jucos. Either because they are last minute or they just whiffed on a prospect. Everett and Gray were the last really good juco players OU has had.

During that time, area teams in the conference and surrounding areas have routinely recruiting really good juco players at the same time OU was recruiting total duds.

OU fans blame juco players... I point out TCU, Baylor, ISU, Arkansas, and many other programs that have good juco players from within driving distance of Norman and they (typical fans on this board) don't care about that fact at all... not one bit. It's a smoking gun that this is the coaches fault and not due to an extreme lack of talent in the ranks, but they try to make that case anyway because Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, and other elite programs don't recruit them and they want OU to be the same way.

 

[AdaSooner]

Another thread discussion got me thinking:

1) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO guard at Oklahoma?

2) When was the last real impact (define that as you will) JUCO post at Oklahoma?

3) Why the lack of success? (as Sampson and Tubbs both made a living off of JUCOs)

If by “real” impact juco my definition is a high impact player in the Everett, Gray and McGhee mold, no recruit in my recent memory has been even close to that level.

However, if I soften that definition to mean a recruit who was important to a team’s success by filling a specific need, I don’t have to go back too many years to name a few. Sam Grooms, Dinijyl Walker, C. J. Washington and Darrion Strong-Moore, for example, contributed to their team’s success at various levels.

 

[CoachTalk]

ABD- thoughts on these 2 jucos?

Its early. I know its not 2 that you wouldve choosen but thoughts?

 

[Sooner04]

Good for those other programs who have success with JUCOs. Our staff does a horrible job recruiting that level. Either they don't have the contacts to get in on the few players who do emerge from those leagues each year and contribute, or they're doing a terrible job of scouting the players they do decide to pursue.

Either way, I think it's a complete waste of time, resources and scholarships. If we never signed another JUCO on Kruger's watch I would be one happy fan.

As far as the original question: the last real contributor was the Chupacabra, Juan Pattillo. Before that? Terrell Everett and Taj Gray....both major contributors on our last conference championship team.....which promptly blew up in the off-season. Playing for Kelvin could get really old.

 

[hoopsaustin]

1) Sam Grooms

2) Juan Patillo (even that might be a stretch). Should of been Manyang.

3) JUCO isn't near what it used to be because of prep schools, and this staff Imo uses JUCO's as fillers instead of getting the best Juco kids to make a roster. Now taking 2 Juco kids in the early signing period, to me, means that they would have higher expectations for these kids.

Juan patillo and Manyang were gonna be monsters imo but they showed why they were in juco originally... and both got kicked off...

 

[thebigabd]

ABD- thoughts on these 2 jucos?

Its early. I know its not 2 that you wouldve choosen but thoughts?

Odd selections in my opinion. Essentially nothing is known about Corbin, because he only played in a few games at Daytona and was going to Florida A&M out of high school.

Alondes Williams looks pretty interesting, but is not from the well-known and more competitive juco leagues in Kansas, Florida, Texas, Iowa, or Wyoming. In fact, I think he plays at a lower division. He would truly be a diamond in the rough selection.

There are a lot of interesting prospects out there this year from some of the usual places... maybe they couldn't get traction?

 

[psk2080]

Michael Neal was another JUCO from the mid 2000's that made an impact. He was there at the same time as Everett and Gray. After that, most of the jucos have just been depth fillers and not much more. A couple have started like Grooms.

 

[BCSooners]

Juan patillo and Manyang were gonna be monsters imo but they showed why they were in juco originally... and both got kicked off...

Shows another reason why this staff probably doesn't do too well on JUCOs bc there is usually some baggage.

I remember when Hoidberg had a 6'7 freak of nature in the post who blocked & dunked everything and everyone on here wanted him and wondered why OU couldn't get someone like him. Rumor has it he showed up to practice when he felt like it & Hoidberg didn't care. Baylor might have success with JUCOs but we all know how moral that university is.

 

[cvangild]

William "Cheese" Davis!!

Okay, maybe he wasn't the LAST juco who was impactful, but he's still one of my favs!!

Jackie jones too!! And Sallier, ken Conley, Angelo Hamilton...and the one that never was....Anthony Cade! He was a 6'10 former McD's AA who was gonna be a stud...but grades failed him!

 

[usedtobe1]

One reason juco players don’t make as much of an impact as they used to is they don’t have as many good players. Prep schools have displaced jucos as the landing spot for players with a grade/qualification issue coming out of high school. They can go to a year of prep school and get their academic issues in order and still have 5 years to play 4 seasons ..... while improving their game and allowing more coaches see their progress.