Manek/Players

[Soonerinkc]

Ghost...
Wasnt attitude the demise of the team last season..? A starter getting pissed and not hustling back can really cause some issues.

I like manek..all the guys...but pointing out what we see isnt bad. Hell at least we all care enough...the 30 or so regular game posters.

He needs to suck it up or it'll start to cause some issues....IMHO.

As far as kruger...other top coaches call TO's during opponents runs...he doesn't. I voice my displeasure about it but that's all it is.

Got Wv there...can we win..yes...will we...wouldnt bet on it..literally.

 

[BCSooners]

Ghost...
Wasnt attitude the demise of the team last season..? A starter getting pissed and not hustling back can really cause some issues.

I like manek..all the guys...but pointing out what we see isnt bad. Hell at least we all care enough...the 30 or so regular game posters.

He needs to suck it up or it'll start to cause some issues....IMHO.

As far as kruger...other top coaches call TO's during opponents runs...he doesn't. I voice my displeasure about it but that's all it is.

Got Wv there...can we win..yes...will we...wouldnt bet on it..literally.

Phil Jackson was notorious for not calling TO's during runs. The general idea is that you do, but some say they like to see there team play through adversity.

 

[tmeyer3307]

Boy, the team loses a couple of games and all of a sudden the personal attacks really come out by those who have little to say here otherwise.

Manek did shut it down after missing that dunk & not getting the call he wanted. Using that to broaden the attack on him to call him a selfish player & to say that he could be the reason the team underachieves is just an ad hominem. Using the bad game to impugn the coach is just as ridiculous. The other thread used the bad game to regurgitate the tired whining about the team's assistant coaches. Needless to say, nobody complained about any of these things when the team was 11-1 and none of it is an objective critique of anything that happened beyond last night.

The team was horrible last night as they were against Kansas St. They have to play better. They have to play harder, get back on defense, play smarter, and move the ball better. They have to go after loose balls. There are about 100 things they need to do better. None of that makes Manek or James "selfish" or "whiny" or any other personal attack "OU fans" make about them. None of it makes Kruger or the assistants incompetent. None of it means the players have -- as 1 repeatedly insists -- "low IQ's." All of these are personal attacks that are completely unsupported even by their poor play the last 4 games.

I'm just posting what I see and watch every night from this team. Good or bad I think we all have that right. Manek and James both need to be leaders on this team and they are not! Christian James is just so inconsistent and it's frustrating. I think he gets real lazy at times. On the defensive end he doesn't give effort and gets lost several times a game. Offensively he settles for too many jump shots. I understand at this point in his career he is what he is. He can't blow by guards and get to the rim consistently, so he shoots a lot of jumpers.

Manek can be a real player for us and I like what he does most of the time. BUT, go watch the last 10 games and tell me how many times a game Manek just loses his mind. 5-6 times a game he just shuts it down and we all can see this. I would bet that his teammates can see this as well which might create some negative vibes in the locker room.

I call both of these guys selfish for several reasons. James on the court at times just plays for himself. Won't make the extra pass, won't play hard and give up easy ones on defense. Manek doesn't get his way or doesn't get the ball in a certain situation, so he pouts and just won't give effort for his team. I know that I wouldn't want guys on my team like that.

Would Spangler, Bookout, Taj, Roe or Blake act like Manek does???

 

[sperry]

Phil Jackson was notorious for not calling TO's during runs. The general idea is that you do, but some say they like to see there team play through adversity.

Phil Jackson was also not a good x's and o's coach. He was able to manage massive egos and let talent win.

Calling a timeout allows to set up your best plays and get a good look at the basket, which should help stem the momentum. So frustrating to see Lon not do it.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Phil Jackson was notorious for not calling TO's during runs. The general idea is that you do, but some say they like to see there team play through adversity.

Lol...that was with a PROFESSIONAL team...with one of the best plsyers in the world.

You are actually comparing OU basketball to the Bulls?

Again, that might work in the professional ranks...which Lon had a short stint, relative to his college time, but he still uses it...which, IMHO, doesnt work here.

 

[euphguy]

I posted about Manek's tantrums earlier in the season. It appears to be quite the change from last year. It's flat out whining most of the time. He cusses quite a bit upon getting foul or missing a layup (not that cussing is bad, but the frequency with which he does it is bothersome).

I've never been a big fan of Christian James. I like Bienemy, but I still think Calixte should be starting. It seems like Lon is prepping for next year more than anything.

McNeace is not how he was before the injury. Too much doubt when he lands after a layup or hook shot. He plays softer than he did two years ago, in my opinion.

Lots to improve upon, but it could be worse. Just look at the women's team. :facepalm

 

[BCSooners]

Lol...that was with a PROFESSIONAL team...with one of the best plsyers in the world.

You are actually comparing OU basketball to the Bulls?

Again, that might work in the professional ranks...which Lon had a short stint, relative to his college time, but he still uses it...which, IMHO, doesnt work here.

When did I compare OU to the Bulls? I said a few coaches like to let their team's play through runs & mentioned a HOF coach that did it as well. I also said most coaches, including myself, like to call TO's to end the runs.

Way to run away with a statement.

 

[BCSooners]

Phil Jackson was also not a good x's and o's coach. He was able to manage massive egos and let talent win.

Calling a timeout allows to set up your best plays and get a good look at the basket, which should help stem the momentum. So frustrating to see Lon not do it.

So Phil didn't know x's & o's & Lon doesn't develop players. But if a player does develop then they did it on their own.

Some coaches like to have players develop mental toughness & see who will step up in bad runs and who will add fuel to the fire to know who they can trust in difficult situations.

 

[coolm]

I posted about Manek's tantrums earlier in the season. It appears to be quite the change from last year. It's flat out whining most of the time. He cusses quite a bit upon getting foul or missing a layup (not that cussing is bad, but the frequency with which he does it is bothersome).

I've never been a big fan of Christian James. I like Bienemy, but I still think Calixte should be starting. It seems like Lon is prepping for next year more than anything.

McNeace is not how he was before the injury. Too much doubt when he lands after a layup or hook shot. He plays softer than he did two years ago, in my opinion.

Lots to improve upon, but it could be worse. Just look at the women's team. :facepalm

I have wondered the same about Calixte/Bieniemy. I kinow the t/o situation improved but I think the group lost focus when Calixte went to the bench.

 

[stormspencer]

I posted about Manek's tantrums earlier in the season. It appears to be quite the change from last year. It's flat out whining most of the time. He cusses quite a bit upon getting foul or missing a layup (not that cussing is bad, but the frequency with which he does it is bothersome).

I've never been a big fan of Christian James. I like Bienemy, but I still think Calixte should be starting. It seems like Lon is prepping for next year more than anything.

McNeace is not how he was before the injury. Too much doubt when he lands after a layup or hook shot. He plays softer than he did two years ago, in my opinion.

Lots to improve upon, but it could be worse. Just look at the women's team. :facepalm

I think Calixte has some game, but he is out of control at times and his turnover % rate is not good for a PG. I do think he is one of our better shooters.....which I'm not sure that is a complement talking about this team.

 

[sperry]

So Phil didn't know x's & o's & Lon doesn't develop players. But if a player does develop then they did it on their own.

Some coaches like to have players develop mental toughness & see who will step up in bad runs and who will add fuel to the fire to know who they can trust in difficult situations.

Phil was not a good x's and o's coach. This is not a controversial statement. He was a great people manager, which is an extremely important skill for an NBA coach.

Lon develops guys quite well, his problem has been recruiting.

 

[oudna]

I have wondered the same about Calixte/Bieniemy. I kinow the t/o situation improved but I think the group lost focus when Calixte went to the bench.

It was a mistake

It compounded problems for an already scoring-challenged team

 

[WichitaSooner]

It was a mistake

It compounded problems for an already scoring-challenged team

I don't understand this take. Calixte turned the ball over a ton and we'd been getting off to awful starts for about three weeks before the change, mainly due to careless early turnovers. The offense was far better the first three games after the change, though it clearly struggled Monday. Lon made the change because JB is a far better point guard than Calixte right now, not because he is thinking about the future. Calixte is better off the ball. I don't know how anyone can think that the offense runs better with Calixte starting. JB needs the ball in his hands as much as possible.

 

[oudna]

The offense was far better the first three games after the change, though it clearly struggled Monday.

We’ve had 3 of our 4 worst scoring halves of the year in the last 4 games.

 

[BoulderSooner]

We’ve had 3 of our 4 worst scoring halves of the year in the last 4 games.

Coach has certionaly been correct way more than he has been incorrect (see Isaiah cousins PG)

but i agree that this move hasn't (yet) worked out it really has seemed to effect the team chemistry

 

[WichitaSooner]

We’ve had 3 of our 4 worst scoring halves of the year in the last 4 games.

So your position is we are better off with a guy who consistently turns it over than a guy who gets a bunch of assists, never turns it over, and always makes good decisions? I didn't see/hear any of that talk before Baylor. I'd prefer not to overreact to one game. And the bad offensive halves certainly aren't on JB. It doesn't much matter who is at the point if the shooters can't make shots.

 

[Soonerinkc]

When did I compare OU to the Bulls? I said a few coaches like to let their team's play through runs & mentioned a HOF coach that did it as well. I also said most coaches, including myself, like to call TO's to end the runs.

Way to run away with a statement.

Lol...you highlited my part about Lon not calling TO's...you brought up Jackson...guess you were referring to Jackson's college coaching career? HS coaching career?

I am assumed you were talking about his coaching at the professional level.
My bad

 

[oudna]

I didn't see/hear any of that talk before Baylor. I'd prefer not to overreact to one game.

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Forum: The Wayman Tisdale Men's Hoops Board 01-23-2019, 10:00 PM

OU @ O-State
Posted By oudna
Re: OU @ O-State

I beg Kruger to move the starting line-up back

JB needs the minutes but have him and Odomes come in off the bench

 

[scrybe]

I hate losses as much (or more) than anyone. But some of the statements made here after a loss just don't seem necessary, and some others are incredibly unwarranted.

 

[oudna]

Manek with a big step in the right direction....

https://twitter.com/joe_mussatto/status/1091082003620024321?s=21