Marques Bolden Update

[bgrch1350]

He did qualify he had the GPA and the SAT scores. PC west screwed up on a class. The school messed up his transcript. He is leaving cal because of the potential for NCAA violations. He wants to be in Oklahoma we should sign him

+1

Jolly is a really good player and I don't see why we wouldn't want to add him to our team. I'm baffled by some of you not wanting to add a 4 star recruit who is from Oklahoma. He could be our best guard besides Woodard next year and you guys act like replacing 2 starting guards and our 6th man is going to be easy with the guards we have returning and coming in when they are all unproven.
We have an open scholarship and we lose 3 guards and you don't want to take advantage of him decommitting?

 

[usedtobe1]

I'm not worried about PG next season. In addition to Woodard, we have Darrion Strong. As a true freshman he was a juco AA PG his freshman year. He got a lot more attention this season, and played hurt much of the year. In fact, I assume he has already had the surgery to fix his shoulder.

As for the wings, I have no worry whatsoever. Christian James, Kameron McGusty, Rashard Odomes, and Austin Grandstaff alleviate my concerns.

Even is we don't sign Bolden, my preference is for a rugged post player before we sign another wing.

 

[bgrch1350]

I'm not worried about PG next season. In addition to Woodard, we have Darrion Strong. As a true freshman he was a juco AA PG his freshman year. He got a lot more attention this season, and played hurt much of the year. In fact, I assume he has already had the surgery to fix his shoulder.

As for the wings, I have no worry whatsoever. Christian James, Kameron McGusty, Rashard Odomes, and Austin Grandstaff alleviate my concerns.

Even is we don't sign Bolden, my preference is for a rugged post player before we sign another wing.

Since you have no worries, what do you expect from James, McGusty, Odomes, and Grandstaff since they average a total of 9mpg and 2.4ppg over the last 10 games?

Instead you want another post player where we already have 5 post players returning who average 45.8mpg and 10.1ppg over the last 10 games.

The most minutes we have returning are in the post but at the 2 and 3 minutes, we have 9mpg returning and the bigger concern is in the post?

 

[WTSooner]

Since you have no worries, what do you expect from James, McGusty, Odomes, and Grandstaff since they average a total of 9mpg and 2.4ppg over the last 10 games?

Instead you want another post player where we already have 4 post players returning who average 45.8mpg and 10.1ppg over the last 10 games.

You act like those guys played major minutes and sucked. They didn't. They played behind one of the best trios of upper-classman guards OU has probably ever had. There weren't a lot of minutes to be had, and those that were they guys were defaulting to our more experienced personnel. That doesn't mean they suck.

Whatever they averaged, it's better than anything Jolly has done in college. But you are SO sure he'd be better.

 

[bgrch1350]

You act like those guys played major minutes and sucked. They didn't. They played behind one of the best trios of upper-classman guards OU has probably ever had. There weren't a lot of minutes to be had, and those that were they guys were defaulting to our more experienced personnel. That doesn't mean they suck.

Whatever they averaged, it's better than anything Jolly has done in college. But you are SO sure he'd be better.

I didn't say they did suck. I didn't say Jolly would be better. I'm saying they are unproven and we have a scholarship available and you don't want to go after a highly recruited kid in our own backyard that could be better than james.

Are you afraid that James or Odomes might not play if we bring him in?

Someone is going to land this kid and I don't see a single reason to not land a top 100 recruit if we can do it since we have a scholarship available.

You talk about the best trio. That trio did not beat KU this year for a big 12 championship. They recruit top 100 athletes and add them their lineup and thats why they win championships. They don't leave scholarships available when there is a talented kid they can bring in no matter what future recruits they are in on.

 

[furge]

UK, Duke, TCU final three.

Citation? I can't see why he'd drop OU and, conversely, why he'd not at least pump his breaks on TCU after they canned the guy recruiting him. Jamie Dixon is great, but wouldn't you want to feel the situation out a bit?

 

[MercedeSooner]

Citation? I can't see why he'd drop OU and, conversely, why he'd not at least pump his breaks on TCU after they canned the guy recruiting him. Jamie Dixon is great, but wouldn't you want to feel the situation out a bit?

Think the clear answer is he isn't considering them at all, like we probably weren't a serious landing spot also. Difference is Lon has shown that he'll tell kids to $hit or get off the pot and we'll move on.

 

[CoachTalk]

He did qualify he had the GPA and the SAT scores. PC west screwed up on a class. The school messed up his transcript. He is leaving cal because of the potential for NCAA violations. He wants to be in Oklahoma we should sign him

Not buying it. If he qualified he would've went to Cal.

If he wants to be in Oklahoma I'm sure ORU TU and Osu are options.

Maybe coach takes him I don't see it.

 

[CoachTalk]

+1

Jolly is a really good player and I don't see why we wouldn't want to add him to our team. I'm baffled by some of you not wanting to add a 4 star recruit who is from Oklahoma. He could be our best guard besides Woodard next year and you guys act like replacing 2 starting guards and our 6th man is going to be easy with the guards we have returning and coming in when they are all unproven.
We have an open scholarship and we lose 3 guards and you don't want to take advantage of him decommitting?

Or we have over recruited him with our current guys plus newbies.

Or maybe there are red flags.... Kruger doesn't like red flags....

 

[usedtobe1]

Since you have no worries, what do you expect from James, McGusty, Odomes, and Grandstaff since they average a total of 9mpg and 2.4ppg over the last 10 games?

Instead you want another post player where we already have 5 post players returning who average 45.8mpg and 10.1ppg over the last 10 games.

The most minutes we have returning are in the post but at the 2 and 3 minutes, we have 9mpg returning and the bigger concern is in the post?

I expect a lot more out of James, McGusty, and Grandstaff that I would expect out of Jolly. They were all higher rated out of HS and have more experience. James seemed to pass Walker by late in the season, and LK was going to play Buddy, Cousins, and Woodard 110 of the 120 perimeter minutes no matter what. Grandstaff averaged 11.5 minutes in his first 10 games at Ohio State. McGusty was the 3rd highest scorer on the Under Armour AAU circuit last summer and is a top 50 player.

As for the post players, none of them are real physical or rebound very well. Lattin has a lot of potential as a rim protector. McNeace and AK got bullied in the post. Buford ran some high post and was hot and cold from the perimeter offensively. He didn't rebound well or do a very good job defending the perimeter. Spangler generally got as many rebounds as the other 4 put together, and he's gone.

Quite frankly I expect more out of Freeman than I do 2 of the 4 returning post players. JMHO.

 

[Ouhoops23]

Not buying it. If he qualified he would've went to Cal.

If he wants to be in Oklahoma I'm sure ORU TU and Osu are options.

Maybe coach takes him I don't see it.

You don't have to buy it. These are facts, His high school messed up, he took an online course over the summer to make up the half credit they gave him. It didn't work which is why he went to Prep School. His test scores were great and GPA. You can google this info. There is no reason not to take him. It will be a mistake not to have a 4star homegrown kid with no red flags.

 

[bgrch1350]

I expect a lot more out of James, McGusty, and Grandstaff that I would expect out of Jolly. They were all higher rated out of HS and have more experience. James seemed to pass Walker by late in the season, and LK was going to play Buddy, Cousins, and Woodard 110 of the 120 perimeter minutes no matter what. Grandstaff averaged 11.5 minutes in his first 10 games at Ohio State. McGusty was the 3rd highest scorer on the Under Armour AAU circuit last summer and is a top 50 player.

As for the post players, none of them are real physical or rebound very well. Lattin has a lot of potential as a rim protector. McNeace and AK got bullied in the post. Buford ran some high post and was hot and cold from the perimeter offensively. He didn't rebound well or do a very good job defending the perimeter. Spangler generally got as many rebounds as the other 4 put together, and he's gone.

Quite frankly I expect more out of Freeman than I do 2 of the 4 returning post players. JMHO.

Jolly, averaged 19 points, 6.0 rebounds and 4.5 assists a game as a senior. Big City player of the year. 6'4, 4 star shooting guard. And he basically redshirted which means he should be even better.

Since his release Florida and Texas has already reached out to him. You don't want to use a scholarship on this kid. Fine. Someone else will. We can also keep talking about why Kansas keeps winning big 12 championships.

 

[bgrch1350]

Not buying it. If he qualified he would've went to Cal.

If he wants to be in Oklahoma I'm sure ORU TU and Osu are options.

Maybe coach takes him I don't see it.

You don't buy it? That just tells me that you don't know anything about this kid or his background or how good he is. You say things like ORU, TU and OSU but since his release Texas, Florida, and Georgia Tech have already reached out to him.

And its even more funny is that you don't want a kid that didn't qualify when most of the juco kids you rave about don't qualify out of high school and yet the reason they go to juco. :facepalm

We have a scholarship available. There is a 4 star shooting guard right in our own backyard that might be willing to come here but you rather us not use the scholarship. I'm just baffled on turning down a kid that could possibly be better than all of our returning guards.

 

[MisterF]

I'm guessing LK has a plan. Seems like we need another big and not another shooting guard. But we will see?

Anybody have any ideas about who has reached out to Tre Evans? I hear Mizzou has but not sure if there is an offer.

 

[MHR]

Not buying it.


West messed his transcript up and that counselor responsible for the mess up no longer at West. He qualified for all the local colleges and many other colleges that offered to him. I know these 2 things for a fact.

 

[CoachTalk]

You don't buy it? That just tells me that you don't know anything about this kid or his background or how good he is. You say things like ORU, TU and OSU but since his release Texas, Florida, and Georgia Tech have already reached out to him.

And its even more funny is that you don't want a kid that didn't qualify when most of the juco kids you rave about don't qualify out of high school and yet the reason they go to juco. :facepalm

We have a scholarship available. There is a 4 star shooting guard right in our own backyard that might be willing to come here but you rather us not use the scholarship. I'm just baffled on turning down a kid that could possibly be better than all of our returning guards.

I can give you his cell number if you'd like? Or his aau coach or middle school Bball coach.
I've seen the kid plenty.

You keep saying "could" be better than all of our returning guards... Or coach Kruger who knows what he's doing... Thinks he's not worth the risk...

Big bad Florida!! Big bad Texas!

Nationa power Georgia Tech!

 

[bgrch1350]

I can give you his cell number if you'd like? Or his aau coach or middle school Bball coach.
I've seen the kid plenty.

You keep saying "could" be better than all of our returning guards... Or coach Kruger who knows what he's doing... Thinks he's not worth the risk...

Big bad Florida!! Big bad Texas!

Nationa power Georgia Tech!

I have one of his high school coaches number. wow.

Florida = 2 national championships OU = 0

Kansas has how many big 12 championships in a row? How many scholarships do they have available this year? They don't seem to be hurting with post depth but they brought in Coleby to redshirt and they've already added another big to their team from this class. He doesn't seem to be afraid to load up in certain positions.

Explain how not qualifying bothers you if he can qualify now when you rave about juco players that don't qualify out of high school that we bring in?

 

[CoachTalk]

I have one of his high school coaches number. wow.

Florida = 2 national championships OU = 0

Kansas has how many big 12 championships in a row? How many scholarships do they have available this year? They don't seem to be hurting with post depth but they brought in Coleby to redshirt and they've already added another big to their team from this class. He doesn't seem to be afraid to load up in certain positions.

Explain how not qualifying bothers you if he can qualify now when you rave about juco players that don't qualify out of high school that we bring in?

Florida isnt winning right now, thats what I care about.

Do you see Kansas after this kid? You keep comparing KU, I want OU to be KU for the next 13 years...

Ou won guys like top 50 McGusty, Grandstaff, freeman over powerhouses. You dont see powerhouses after Jolly... You want what KU has but Ku isnt after Jolly... So which do you want? KU's best players are top 50 kids.

You always have the backup QB mentality, he's better than the starter.

I understand taking risks, you can look to doolittle, manek as risk i think, we got in on them early and local kids. But you cant risk every kid and hope it pays off, sure you are going to miss on some local kids but we cant take every okla kid.

Maybe he is a star, I just dont see it. We passed on Collins from TCU and I think we made the right call, some feel different. Some kids have RED flags and this staff stays away from that.

We can agree to disagree and see what happens.

 

[bgrch1350]

Florida isnt winning right now, thats what I care about.

Do you see Kansas after this kid? You keep comparing KU, I want OU to be KU for the next 13 years...

Ou won guys like top 50 McGusty, Grandstaff, freeman over powerhouses. You dont see powerhouses after Jolly... You want what KU has but Ku isnt after Jolly... So which do you want? KU's best players are top 50 kids.

You always have the backup QB mentality, he's better than the starter.

I understand taking risks, you can look to doolittle, manek as risk i think, we got in on them early and local kids. But you cant risk every kid and hope it pays off, sure you are going to miss on some local kids but we cant take every okla kid.

Maybe he is a star, I just dont see it. We passed on Collins from TCU and I think we made the right call, some feel different. Some kids have RED flags and this staff stays away from that.

We can agree to disagree and see what happens.

Do you see KU with a scholarship?

Florida isn't winning? Wow...one year and they went into the crapper? Geez. They lost a lot of players and will be back next year. They return at least 10 players next year if none jump to the nba. I don't think Florida loses any of their top 10 players.


Freeman top 50? Who has Freeman in the top 50?

You are the one that has the backup mentality. I told you AK wouldn't start over Lattin. I told you M'Baye wouldn't be better than Osby.

Doolittle and Manek are not as ranked as high as Jolly is. Jolly is a unanimous 4 star recruit and those guys aren't. Most have them as 3 star recruits. The 4 and 5 star recruits from oklahoma are kids like Trier, Jolly, Milton, Waters, Solomon, Young.

Jolly was a kid that would have contributed to California this year and now he is a year older. He's going to be good for someone, hopefully its OU.

As for Collins, he was a risk. I'm fine not taking all Oklahoma kids. I'm not fine not going after top 4 and 5 star recruits from OKlahoma that don't have any baggage. Jolly is a proven guard that signed with California and lets not pretend that California isn't good. He's cutting ties with them not the other way around and that also shows that he doesn't want to deal with the mess thats going on up there right now.

 

[Smash Williams]

Did it disrupt Kansas bringing in Coleby(TR), Diallo(top 25 recruit) along with Bragg(top 25 recruit) when you have Ellis, Traylor, Lucas, and Mickelson already on the team? Did it disrupt to bring in Vick(top 50 recruit) when you already have Mason, Graham, Greene, Selden, and Mykhailiuk?

You talk about the best trio. That trio did not beat KU this year for a big 12 championship. They recruit top 100 athletes and add them their lineup and thats why they win championships. They don't leave scholarships available when there is a talented kid they can bring in no matter what future recruits they are in on.

We can also keep talking about why Kansas keeps winning big 12 championships.

Kansas has how many big 12 championships in a row? How many scholarships do they have available this year? They don't seem to be hurting with post depth but they brought in Coleby to redshirt and they've already added another big to their team from this class.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not OU should pursue Jolly, but I wouldn't base it on "What would Kansas do?"

Let's be honest: OU basketball isn't on KU basketball's level. Those programs face different realities. I'm sure KU's decisions, including their recruiting approach, are partly influenced by the strong possibility that some of their recruits could realistically jump to the NBA after one or two years of college. Conversely, OU was fortunate just to have one player who was good enough to contemplate leaving after three years as a borderline first round pick.

If you're a typical blue-chip recruit, what do you want in a school? You probably want to go to a prestigious basketball program that has a good NBA draft track record, and/or you want playing time. A program like KU can load a bunch of players at the same position across one or two classes and still land elite recruits because they have so much else to sell to those players. OU doesn't enjoy that luxury. The way KU's program is built, something like roster balance isn't as much of an issue as it is at OU.

I'm not trying to dump on our program in any way. OU's goal--and it's a reasonable one--should be to win the Big 12 and to beat Kansas, but it's not going to happen by taking KU's approach to building a program.

As I said, I don't have a strong opinion on Jolly and OU, but as a borderline Top 100 recruit, it doesn't appear as if he's being valued as a must-take recruit for a program like OU. To be clear, I'm not saying that he's not good enough; rather, in that range, the differences between recruits are small enough that it's quite possible that Kruger or some other coach prefers the #200 recruit in the country to the #100 recruit. If we were talking about a consensus Top 50 kid, you would have a stronger case.

I wouldn't be surprised if OU did or didn't want Jolly. He may be talented enough for OU, but is he a must-take? You have to weigh his talent versus what OU already has on deck and decide if it's worth not having that scholarship available--not just to pursue future HS recruits, but to take in potential transfers as well (i.e. Grandstaff).