McGusty and McNease should be starting

You're not doing Lazenby any favors when you try so hard to defend him; all it does is open him up for further criticism. I made it pretty clear my opinion on him before we signed him, but I'm willing to move on and accept him as part of the team. He may very well be a great practice player, improve our academic standings, and be an all-around positive influence.

But let's not pretend his minutes are productive. He has as many fouls as he does points, and has more turnovers than made baskets. He has given us a mild contribution in rebounding, but unless his fouling is strategic, that's his only contribution in the minutes he's played. I don't think Lon is giving him minutes because he thinks he benefits this team. I think he's getting minutes as incentive to keep working hard in practice, and to hopefully develop into a decent player next year. This team doesn't need him for the depth. We didn't need more depth even without Doolittle, and could honestly have lost an additional player or two before he'd see the court for any meaningful NCAA tournament minutes.

Also, I've never been a fan of "the coach said it, so it must be right." Yes, I feel pretty safe assuming that Lon knows more basketball than anybody on this forum, but the same is true for Capel. Most people on here still groan about some of the guys Capel let on the team, and I'm assuming even he'd own up to that. Additionally, it takes the point out of the forum. We can't complain about any missed calls, because the refs are more highly trained than us? We can't complain about lack of effort, because we're sitting on a couch? What's the point of a forum if we have to agree with everything?
 
My point is that the fretting over Lazenby's minutes FAR outweighs the impact of those minutes. We're having a better season than most, if not all, of us expected, and yet for three minutes here, four minutes there, and no harm done whatsoever, some still insist on calling into question Kruger's decision to give Ty a few minutes. It's like complaining about the freckle on Miss America's elbow.

I don't claim to know why Coach Kruger continues to give Ty minutes, but I also don't give it much thought because it honestly hasn't mattered a whit to this point. However, even if you're correct in reading Lon's mind (which I'm skeptical about), I still wouldn't have a problem with it. Practice players have a very key role in the success of any team, and Ty's minutes have not put a single game at risk so far.

As for those two players who would have to be injured before Ty would get any meaningful minutes, I agree with you. But unless you can guarantee those injuries won't occur (and of course no one can guarantee that), I'm fine with Coach Kruger giving Ty some in-game experience just in case.

You might as well question the flavor of Gatorade the team is drinking during the game, for all the impact it has.
 
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11-1. Go question you loyalty to Lon Kruger!

have you gotten your learners permit yet?

but feel free to question my loyalty to this coach, team, and program. you will get burned every time.
 
Lazenby deserves to be on the team. no doubt. but i think it is certainly fair to question his minutes.

Fair point, but Lazenby did have a nice assist on one of Jumani's buckets. That's obviously worth two points...we won by one.
 
As doolittle plays more, which I think will happen soon, either Lazenby or Freeman will lose time. Not sure which. Kid doesn't do anything spectacular but you can't say he has really hurt either. I think coach K has pretty much earned the right to decide who plays
 
have you gotten your learners permit yet?

but feel free to question my loyalty to this coach, team, and program. you will get burned every time.

Lol. You bring a wealth of knowledge to us weekly!
 
You're not doing Lazenby any favors when you try so hard to defend him; all it does is open him up for further criticism. I made it pretty clear my opinion on him before we signed him, but I'm willing to move on and accept him as part of the team. He may very well be a great practice player, improve our academic standings, and be an all-around positive influence.

But let's not pretend his minutes are productive. He has as many fouls as he does points, and has more turnovers than made baskets. He has given us a mild contribution in rebounding, but unless his fouling is strategic, that's his only contribution in the minutes he's played. I don't think Lon is giving him minutes because he thinks he benefits this team. I think he's getting minutes as incentive to keep working hard in practice, and to hopefully develop into a decent player next year. This team doesn't need him for the depth. We didn't need more depth even without Doolittle, and could honestly have lost an additional player or two before he'd see the court for any meaningful NCAA tournament minutes.

Also, I've never been a fan of "the coach said it, so it must be right." Yes, I feel pretty safe assuming that Lon knows more basketball than anybody on this forum, but the same is true for Capel. Most people on here still groan about some of the guys Capel let on the team, and I'm assuming even he'd own up to that. Additionally, it takes the point out of the forum. We can't complain about any missed calls, because the refs are more highly trained than us? We can't complain about lack of effort, because we're sitting on a couch? What's the point of a forum if we have to agree with everything?

This is well said
 
My point is that the fretting over Lazenby's minutes FAR outweighs the impact of those minutes.

There really isn't much fretting. Shepherd has been averaging 16.6 minutes, and has been superior to Lazenby in nearly every statistical category this season. It's very reasonable to wonder what was going through Lon's mind yesterday.

In large part, this thread blew up due to your baiting.
 
there's nothing wrong with wondering why Shepherd didnt play as much and I don't mean to take away any avenues of being critical of someone's play or the coach's decisions in general. I understand that's what fans do.

But that line is crossed when you proceed as though someone shouldnt be a member of this team and you goad them as such. I wont cater to that. These kids work too hard to be treated in that manner and for that alone they deserve your support.

The other I dont agree with personally but thats a fans' milieu. I prefer constructive criticism and a positive approach as does coach Lon. But that's not everyones forte and I understand.

Ollie is part of our team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gEt3iNmLyw
 
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You're not doing Lazenby any favors when you try so hard to defend him; all it does is open him up for further criticism. I made it pretty clear my opinion on him before we signed him, but I'm willing to move on and accept him as part of the team. He may very well be a great practice player, improve our academic standings, and be an all-around positive influence.

But let's not pretend his minutes are productive. He has as many fouls as he does points, and has more turnovers than made baskets. He has given us a mild contribution in rebounding, but unless his fouling is strategic, that's his only contribution in the minutes he's played. I don't think Lon is giving him minutes because he thinks he benefits this team. I think he's getting minutes as incentive to keep working hard in practice, and to hopefully develop into a decent player next year. This team doesn't need him for the depth. We didn't need more depth even without Doolittle, and could honestly have lost an additional player or two before he'd see the court for any meaningful NCAA tournament minutes.

Also, I've never been a fan of "the coach said it, so it must be right." Yes, I feel pretty safe assuming that Lon knows more basketball than anybody on this forum, but the same is true for Capel. Most people on here still groan about some of the guys Capel let on the team, and I'm assuming even he'd own up to that. Additionally, it takes the point out of the forum. We can't complain about any missed calls, because the refs are more highly trained than us? We can't complain about lack of effort, because we're sitting on a couch? What's the point of a forum if we have to agree with everything?

Exactly. Great post.
 
I've been posting on this board for a long time. I've contributed to various OU basketball message boards since the early 2000s. I still know the web address of the secret OU basketball board by heart even though it's been taken over by the dark web as an avenue to peddle methamphetamine.

I find it ridiculous that some on here have the audacity to question the fandom and knowledge of red recluse simply because he's a little underwhelmed with the number of minutes given to Lazenby. Some of you need to get a clue.
 
I don't question Ty's minutes but I am curious why he received more than Shepherd tonight, who's played pretty well thus far.

Last night Sheperd in his 2 minutes missed a shot, had a turnover, and committed 2 fouls. Not his best outing. Also, we were getting killed on the boards so playing Shep at a wing might have been a physical mismatch. Trae played the entire second half ... and we needed him to be on the court.

The substitution pattern will change every game depending on matchups and who has the hot hand. Getting Doolittle back into form will change some things.

I'm more interested in who finishes the game than who starts. Lattin and McNeace are going to split the center minutes. They've both had some good games and not so good this season. I like McNeace better but have no problem with him coming off the bench. He's a better low post offensive player than Lattin.

Honestly, I think Lon will have primarily a 9-player rotation at end of the season, with a scattering of minutes among the others.

Trae and Shep at PG
James, Odomes, and McGusty at wing
Manek and Doolittle at PF .... and maybe some at wing
Lattin and McNeace at center
 
The white knighting on this board over lazenby is pretty funny. Can't even really discuss anything anymore except rainbows with coolm policing the board 24/7.

Whatevs. Go team! What a year it's been just so far!
 
I wonder how many of you that question the minutes of role players consider yourself knowledgeable enough to evaluate off ball defense and offensive spacing. My guess is Kruger likes the intangibles of some players over others.

If it was just about stays Odomes probably doesn't start. (I didn't check stats before I typed that).
 
I wonder how many of you that question the minutes of role players consider yourself knowledgeable enough to evaluate off ball defense and offensive spacing. My guess is Kruger likes the intangibles of some players over others.

If it was just about stays Odomes probably doesn't start. (I didn't check stats before I typed that).

I don’t know crap about basketball. Which is why I said I’ll always defer to Kruger. But I’ll voice my (uneducated) opinion on Lazenby on a board meant for OU hoops like I have for the past 20 years.
 
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