Miscellaneous thoughts

[cowboysooner]

first, due to nil and portal it my opinion that the game has changed and you can’t fairly compare coaches now to the pre nil/ portal era

Second, imo it is rash to decide moser’s fate until he has had a 3-4 years with a reasonable amount of nil. This is just the second year of his being given any nik budget to work with. I am not arguing moser is or is going to be a good and winning coach, just that it is too early to decide that issue

Third, i love fears and like the look of the 3 guys we signed. I also like dayton and atak. So i think there is reason for hope

Fourth, just like in football, the sec turned out to be a meat grinder in the first year.

Fifth, jones could have absolutely checked phelps and his injury and absence cost us a game for the first time this year. This isn’t moser’ s fault

My point is not to say the guys that don’t like moser don’t have some valid reasons but just that it in my opinion it is too early to make that judgment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion— that is mine

Btw but fir the last 5 minutes ir so we played pretty well. The late total mental collapse by our guards was a first for this year

 

[sooner333]

I don’t totally disagree with you. I think the future looks bright, although in this era the future can change dramatically year to year so I’m not sure that’s as big as a point as we wish it were.

But I think if this season goes south, things will change. OU hoops has effectively lost the customer base. And it will have to give the customers a reason to come back. I think it’s kind of a lost cause this year for attendance at this point, so something exciting has to happen or people will tune out next year if we return the same staff.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I can easily get sucked back in but I think PM is toast.
I keep going back to what someone said in the game thread. You give other SEC or Big 12 coaches this roster and I think you would see better results.

 

[BoulderSooner]

agree on all points ..


but they now pretty much have a must win game at UGA on sat .... if they lose that the season really could come off the rails ..

 

[Sooner Season]

I don't want to mindlessly pile on but how does the future look bright? We have a roster that for the most part won't be here next year and even at that it's debatable how good this roster is at this point.

And as for NIL being the problem and reason to give him more time, he is in his second year of having good NIL and after year one he lost his entire core and the group he has put together this year doesn't look destined to be competitive SEC team so how has he done with the improved NIL?

 

[daqman]

I don't want to mindlessly pile on but how does the future look bright? We have a roster that for the most part won't be here next year and even at that it's debatable how good this roster is at this point.

And as for NIL being the problem and reason to give him more time, he is in his second year of having good NIL and after year one he lost his entire core and the group he has put together this year doesn't look destined to be competitive SEC team so how has he done with the improved NIL?

you say he has had "good nil" for 2 years....
if that is true ...why is godwin still our starting center?
we have the talent to beat a team like a&m at home..no question.....so that loss is on moser 100%
but we have had....and have now....the worst starting center in the league. so i'm not sure we have "good nil"

 

[snydrosooner]

I don't want to mindlessly pile on but how does the future look bright? We have a roster that for the most part won't be here next year and even at that it's debatable how good this roster is at this point.

And as for NIL being the problem and reason to give him more time, he is in his second year of having good NIL and after year one he lost his entire core and the group he has put together this year doesn't look destined to be competitive SEC team so how has he done with the improved NIL?

If we had good nil we would have matched Kentucky for Garrison. My understanding is he was OU bound till Kentucky paid him more.

 

[sooner333]

I think we’ve had decent NIL for maybe half a portal. About when we got wind we were in on Kadary Richmond. But after we lost all the in state dudes.

 

[snydrosooner]

you say he has had "good nil" for 2 years....
if that is true ...why is godwin still our starting center?
we have the talent to beat a team like a&m at home..no question.....so that loss is on moser 100%
but we have had....and have now....the worst starting center in the league. so i'm not sure we have "good nil"

Sorry players falling down while driving to the lane is not on mosier. So loss was 90% on him.

 

[WichitaSooner]

first, due to nil and portal it my opinion that the game has changed and you can’t fairly compare coaches now to the pre nil/ portal era

Second, imo it is rash to decide moser’s fate until he has had a 3-4 years with a reasonable amount of nil. This is just the second year of his being given any nik budget to work with. I am not arguing moser is or is going to be a good and winning coach, just that it is too early to decide that issue

Third, i love fears and like the look of the 3 guys we signed. I also like dayton and atak. So i think there is reason for hope

Fourth, just like in football, the sec turned out to be a meat grinder in the first year.

Fifth, jones could have absolutely checked phelps and his injury and absence cost us a game for the first time this year. This isn’t moser’ s fault

My point is not to say the guys that don’t like moser don’t have some valid reasons but just that it in my opinion it is too early to make that judgment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion— that is mine

Btw but fir the last 5 minutes ir so we played pretty well. The late total mental collapse by our guards was a first for this year

Maybe Atak will turn out to be as good as Cole, and Dayton will become Luke 2.0. Future so bright, I gotta wear shades! And yep, Jones and JN would make all the difference. Two guys who have played zero combined seconds of power conference basketball would have changed the outcome much more than our opponent playing without its star and leader.

The delusion is real.

 

[Sooner Season]

If we had good nil we would have matched Kentucky for Garrison. My understanding is he was OU bound till Kentucky paid him more.

you say he has had "good nil" for 2 years....
if that is true ...why is godwin still our starting center?
we have the talent to beat a team like a&m at home..no question.....so that loss is on moser 100%
but we have had....and have now....the worst starting center in the league. so i'm not sure we have "good nil"

I didn't say we have good NIL, I was referring to @cowboysooner contention that we now have "reasonable NIL". And you are proving my point exactly, why didn't we get a good big man this off season? Even I could see that we needed significant help up front.

As for our NIL status, I said a few years ago when this whole circus started that it would be the downfall of OU athletics because we do not have the financial power to keep up with the larger programs in either football or basketball. Our success in the past has been built on tradition and facilities, which mean nothing now.

I will say this though, for all of his lack of natural ability, if all of our players played with the heart and intelligence of Godwin, we would be winning games like last night. I will go further and say Godwin is probably the best big man we have had in the last 10 years. That may not be a positive, but it's the truth. And he loves and fights for OU, so I won't be critical of him at all.

 

[steverocks35]

We were up 18 with 16 minutes to go. You can’t blame lack of NIL for that collapse. It falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach. Period.

 

[Sooner Season]

We were up 18 with 16 minutes to go. You can’t blame lack of NIL for that collapse. It falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach. Period.

This

 

[Stikboy]

I can't believe the choke factor prevalent in our two major men's programs. The ability to do everything possible to lose, to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" is like nothing i've ever seen across an athletic program. What have the fans done to deserve this? These teams give us nothing to hang our hat on, or be excited about. We've all seen this rodeo before, but I was hopeful. I wanted this game so bad I couldn't watch but followed here. The start was amazing but I always had this feeling of trepidation that they would somehow screw it up. Then I see TINY at halftime say something to the effect that we're ahead but we have to keep bringing it. I think he knew too. I started to feel and wonder(knew) if something bad was about to happen. And sure enough, the collapse was epic and absolutely unreal. I couldn't believe it but then I could... How much more pain will the athletics gods inflict on Sooner fans?

I'm sure it's apparent by my posting but I absolutely cannot stand any of the former Texas teams from the Big 12. Living down here in the middle of all these fans that absolutely despise OU makes games like this unbearable. I would trade Michigans, Louisvilles, Arizonas.... whatever just to taste whipping Texas, ATM, or Tech's butt again. But no, our resident choke artist coach cannot beat any of these teams, even with a second half 18 point lead, best player out.... just unreal! What happened is what I was afraid of, but this time in an even more gut-wrenching and disappointing fashion. I'm curious to see what type of gut wrenching loss he will come up with next..

 

[opsooner]

I woke up this morning and still have the same thoughts as I had last night. I’ve seen this movie too many times to now think the ending is going to change. Sure, we will win a game or two that we’re not expected to win. But that’s because expectations will continue to decline and if we think back to pre-conference some of us will admit they were games we always thought we had a chance to win back then. But, yes, the losses will now get easier to stomach because of those same declining expectations. Just replace “Big 12” with “SEC” in a sentence with “meat grinder”; that’s the only excuse you need.

 

[IndySooner]

agree on all points ..


but they now pretty much have a must win game at UGA on sat .... if they lose that the season really could come off the rails ..

I'm just sad. Because I really think Porter could be the guy. But he's just likely not going to be the guy at OU. And while some of it is of his own doing, much of it is not.

I had a friend who is very close to the program and the NIL situation tell me over two years ago that no one was going to succeed at OU for the time being - football or basketball. He texted me the other day to remind me of that.

 

[daqman]

I'm just sad. Because I really think Porter could be the guy. But he's just likely not going to be the guy at OU. And while some of it is of his own doing, much of it is not.

I had a friend who is very close to the program and the NIL situation tell me over two years ago that no one was going to succeed at OU for the time being - football or basketball. He texted me the other day to remind me of that.

i think overall your friend is correct....
but last night....came down to coaching.
we have the talent to beat a #10 ranked team at home. we had an 18 pt lead in the second half.
kelvin would have NEVER lost that game.

 

[IndySooner]

i think overall your friend is correct....
but last night....came down to coaching.
we have the talent to beat a #10 ranked team at home. we had an 18 pt lead in the second half.
kelvin would have NEVER lost that game.

You might be right. But Kelvin isn't here and he won't be coming back. Porter and Kelvin are different coaches. Porter put the game in the hands of his guards, as he usually does, and the guards literally fell on their faces.

And if you knew who my friend was, you'd know he is correct!

 

[Stikboy]

I'm just sad. Because I really think Porter could be the guy. But he's just likely not going to be the guy at OU. And while some of it is of his own doing, much of it is not.

I had a friend who is very close to the program and the NIL situation tell me over two years ago that no one was going to succeed at OU for the time being - football or basketball. He texted me the other day to remind me of that.

If you don't mind clarifying, by "NIL situation" does he mean that OU is poor as a donor base and doesn't have the money to compete or is it that upper management in the AD(Joe C) is choking the programs by their ineptitude related to NIL?

 

[cowboysooner]

Never said Dayton, atak or the new signees are going to be great. Just that I like what I have seen of them. I like Fears as well. He has played great at times and like a freshman at times, I see that as to be expected. Surely, you don't disagree that Fears has potential.

Moser got the OU job late and after both signing periods and had to build a roster of kids that would play for a scholarship. He didn't get one dollar of NIL. He literally had to put a team together over the summer from a picked over selection and play amateur basketball in what had become a professional sport. Look, you don't have to like Porter or think he is a good coach, everyone gets to have an opinion and express it. But, OU and Joe know perfectly well the position they put him in and rightfully don't even consider his first year in any fair evaluation.

He had little to no NIL for this second year, and we lost players and recruits to higher paying teams.

His third year he was given a low but reasonable amount of NIL (bottom third of the Big 12), and he put together a team that should have been selected for the NCAA tournament. Haven't heard what he was given for this year or for the 2025 season. Read an article that it was towards the bottom of the SEC.

This post was not meant to sell porter as a great coach or a coach that will ultimately work out at OU. Just that if you are a fair person, there is an argument that he hasn't had the resources and time to see what he can do here. I don't particularly like his style of play, but he was a good coach before he got here, has done a decent job with what he had to work with, and there is reason to believe that we are going in the right direction.

As for this years team, we are 13-2 and our only losses are to two of the 10 best teams in the Country. You have every right to quit on the team any time you want, hate on Moser or whatever, but I hope our players have more fight and competitive persistence than some of you do. I don't mind the opinions, this is a message board, it amazes me sometimes though that some of you seem not to understand the human and financial consequences of willy nilly firing a coaching staff, on the coaches, their families, the kids on the team, and the University. I have two degrees from OU and have followed OU sports since the 60's. I want to win as much as anyone on this board. Maybe it is my age, but I just think it reasonable to have a little more patience with good people. Good coach or not, Moser and his staff, and the kids on his team, strike me a good people.

Since we are talking mostly about future events and therefore can't know with certainty how things are going to work out, the fire moser guys that believe he is a bad coach and won't ever win at OU could be right. But, I hope you you aren't and we turn into a championship program.