NCAA Tournament: #12 Oklahoma vs. #5 DePaul Game Thread

[Mac]

Well atlest The starting 5 did show up... Manning was asked to be aggressive all year and she was just cold today. I’ve beeb looking forward to next season since Madi picked OU, I think she’ll be the best player we have signed in a long time, maybe since 2010, and her ranking of 8 is the highest since Amanda back in 2006. OU will be young next season but should be fun to watch as well.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I agree with you on Madi. I think what we've lacked all season was that difference-maker type of player. Like Ellenberg was at times. I think Madi will be better than any of the seniors we had this year and will be a lot like Thompson (whom I'm actually friends with) and come through late in tight games and make a big difference for us. Her, with Ana and Shaina will be a VERY athletic trio. I'm just wondering if Veitenheimer will be more of a Ortiz type, or even better (I'm hoping better). And, of course I'm deeply concerned about who our center will be. I think if Lampkin is as good as I believe she can be by viewing her footage, we could have a team a lot like DePaul actually, next year. Just five really athletic players that can do anything. Add in Robinson and hopefully a healthy Rich and better Penso and maybe we will turn some heads. Now that's my optimistic, maybe unrealistic hope. In reality, I can very well see us struggle and have ups and downs unfortunately.

 

[sybarite]

Unless we get a transfer, we may have a lot of talent next year that has a major hole, the lack of a competitive post. I don't know what we have with EJ, Nydia, and Aspen yet. I anticipate that with simply a defensive or rebounding competence, we will be better. But, I don't think we'll be world-beaters until we get one or two more, or some mature.

Madison Williams may help sufficiently with rebounding to enable an EJ, Aspen, or Nydia to have time to grow. I get the impression that Tatum is a lot like Gabi, but with an attitude. She, apparently, has been the MVP of some pretty solid AAU teams, a take-control type.

The player we may need as much as anyone is Taylor. From what I have seen of her on video, she is all business, very focused. We have needed a legitimate three-point shooter who had the confidence to get the shot off. Shooting 57% from three and over 90% from the line suggests that she can shoot. We heard that Gabi could shoot brilliantly in practice.. She rarely showed that in a game. I think Maddie edged her out for three-point percentage once again.

I was a bit disappointed that Maddie's performance, brilliant at times, wasn't consistent. But, I wonder. Have you ever seen anyone with mononucleosis? Everyone that I have known who has had it had trouble walking from the bed to the restroom. It was exhausting. Walking down the street or to class----I remember kids in wheelchairs for about eight weeks. If she had mono this year, I have no idea how she played at all. Then, there was that cast on that broken thumb.....

The last stats that I saw indicated that Maddie led OU in rebounds, although not shooting well today. She had zero turnovers.

 

[euphguy]

Maddie Manning is so, so, so tough. Sad that her career is coming to an end.

Are you kidding me??? This coming from the person that dogged Vivi, yet you're saying MADDIE is tough? Look at the stat sheet!

What a joke. I shouldn't be surprised, though.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Well, no real surprise here, right? We’ve underperformed most of the year.

I’m looking forward to seeing what takes place next season with basically a whole new team and bench.

Sherri has to produce a winner next year, IMHO or the end will be near.


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[SoonerSpock]

Unless we get a transfer, we may have a lot of talent next year that has a major hole, the lack of a competitive post. I don't know what we have with EJ, Nydia, and Aspen yet. I anticipate that with simply a defensive or rebounding competence, we will be better. But, I don't think we'll be world-beaters until we get one or two more, or some mature.

Madison Williams may help sufficiently with rebounding to enable an EJ, Aspen, or Nydia to have time to grow. I get the impression that Tatum is a lot like Gabi, but with an attitude. She, apparently, has been the MVP of some pretty solid AAU teams, a take-control type.

The player we may need as much as anyone is Taylor. From what I have seen of her on video, she is all business, very focused. We have needed a legitimate three-point shooter who had the confidence to get the shot off. Shooting 57% from three and over 90% from the line suggests that she can shoot. We heard that Gabi could shoot brilliantly in practice.. She rarely showed that in a game. I think Maddie edged her out for three-point percentage once again.

I was a bit disappointed that Maddie's performance, brilliant at times, wasn't consistent. But, I wonder. Have you ever seen anyone with mononucleosis? Everyone that I have known who has had it had trouble walking from the bed to the restroom. It was exhausting. Walking down the street or to class----I remember kids in wheelchairs for about eight weeks. If she had mono this year, I have no idea how she played at all. Then, there was that cast on that broken thumb.....

The last stats that I saw indicated that Maddie led OU in rebounds, although not shooting well today. She had zero turnovers.

For the season Maddie scored 15 more points, had 3 more rebounds, 5 more steals, 17 more blocks and 25 more turnovers than Gabbi. Vivi had 104 more rebounds than Maddie. Gabbi out shot Maddie from the field (+0.021), BTA (+0.045)and the line (+0.170).


http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/attachments1/files/31000/635641.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000

 

[TheMont]

Are you kidding me??? This coming from the person that dogged Vivi, yet you're saying MADDIE is tough? Look at the stat sheet!

What a joke. I shouldn't be surprised, though.

I typed that right after Maddie took a HARD fall, struggled to stand up, and then walked to the line with a black eye and tears in her eyes and refused to leave the game. Not to mention the 2 ACL tears. She’s an incredibly tough, competitive woman who gave her heart to this program but had a poor shooting game today.

I was disappointed in Vivi’s fatigue today but praised her endurance throughout the season. We are going to struggle mightily without her next season, and I have never denied that.

 

[soonermom1000]

+ 1

 

[gosooner2]

A committee of people who know a whole hell of a lot more about basketball than anyone on these boards disagreed with you.

The only teams that arguably might not belong are some of the automatic bids from the conferences that no one ever heard of.

Everybody makes mistakes!

 

[sybarite]

For the season Maddie scored 15 more points, had 3 more rebounds, 5 more steals, 17 more blocks and 25 more turnovers than Gabbi. Vivi had 104 more rebounds than Maddie. Gabbi out shot Maddie from the field (+0.021), BTA (+0.045)and the line (+0.170).


http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/attachments1/files/31000/635641.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000

Let's compare the meat of the seasons for the past four years:

FG%
Maddie
44.2%--33.6%--43.0%---39.7%
Gabbi
36.5%--35.3%---38.7%--39.2%
3PT%
Maddie
37.5%--23.7%---46.0%---36.6%
Gabbi
31.2%--30.3%---36.8%---34.2%
Total points
Maddie
92---138---192--217
Gabbi
155--121---196--196

These are the annual shooting statistics for conference play. In only one year did Gabbi shoot better from three. After last year, I had hoped that this would be a breakout year for Maddie, hitting 46% in conference play from three. Then, we saw the broken thumb, and heard about the mono. In fact, only in their sophomore year did Gabbi outshoot Maddie in FG%. She just shot more.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Are you kidding me??? This coming from the person that dogged Vivi, yet you're saying MADDIE is tough? Look at the stat sheet!

What a joke. I shouldn't be surprised, though.

I'm sorry, but your post is unclear. Are you trying to denigrate Maddie, Vivi or the poster you quoted? :facepalm

 

[SoonerSpock]

Let's compare the meat of the seasons for the past four years:

FG%
Maddie
44.2%--33.6%--43.0%---39.7%
Gabbi
36.5%--35.3%---38.7%--39.2%
3PT%
Maddie
37.5%--23.7%---46.0%---36.6%
Gabbi
31.2%--30.3%---36.8%---34.2%
Total points
Maddie
92---138---192--217
Gabbi
155--121---196--196

These are the annual shooting statistics for conference play. In only one year did Gabbi shoot better from three. After last year, I had hoped that this would be a breakout year for Maddie, hitting 46% in conference play from three. Then, we saw the broken thumb, and heard about the mono. In fact, only in their sophomore year did Gabbi outshoot Maddie in FG%. She just shot more.

Seems to me what transpired in 2015, 2016 and 2017 had no bearing on 2018 results. I will stand by the total stats for the 2018 season Moreover we cannot selectively forget the strong non-conference season the Sooners played and that you clamored OU should not have played just to distort the total facts as it does comprise about 42% of the season.

You can choose to describe the season using 58% of the games I choose to think it is far more accurate to use 100% of the games if you want the truth the whole truth for the season.

 

[inoref]

I choose to describe this year results as one big cluster

 

[sooner8693]

I choose to describe this year results as one big cluster

+1

 

[sybarite]

Seems to me what transpired in 2015, 2016 and 2017 had no bearing on 2018 results. I will stand by the total stats for the 2018 season Moreover we cannot selectively forget the strong non-conference season the Sooners played and that you clamored OU should not have played just to distort the total facts as it does comprise about 42% of the season.

You can choose to describe the season using 58% of the games I choose to think it is far more accurate to use 100% of the games if you want the truth the whole truth for the season.

You might want to consider the possibility that Gabbi was effective against lesser talent. But, the Big Twelve guards were able to keep her in check. On the whole, our toughest competition was within the conference, especially with guards like those of Baylor, Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, and Iowa State.

 

[soonerstar]

You might want to consider the possibility that Gabbi was effective against lesser talent. But, the Big Twelve guards were able to keep her in check. On the whole, our toughest competition was within the conference, especially with guards like those of Baylor, Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, and Iowa State.

Strange, since the coaches voted Gabbi 2nd team all Big 12. Maddie was one of many that made honorable mention.

 

[SoonerSpock]

You might want to consider the possibility that Gabbi was effective against lesser talent. But, the Big Twelve guards were able to keep her in check. On the whole, our toughest competition was within the conference, especially with guards like those of Baylor, Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, and Iowa State.

But you want to disregard tournament teams like Belmont 31-4, DePaul 27-7, Oregon 31-4, UConn 33-0, South Dakota State 26-7 and Arkansas Little Rock 23-10 plus Florida 11-19 whose combined record against the Sooners was 7-1. That is 6 tournament qualifiers to the Big 12's 4.

Amazing OU goes 5-7 in non-conference and 11-8 against the conference and you consider the non-conference insignificant. It should be noted against the teams listed above OU shot 42.6% (119/448) from the field vs 45.4% against the conference and 24.4% (31/127) BTA vs 34.2% BTA in conference games.

Yep, you must consider Maddie and Gabbi's shooting percentage against the better defenses when considering how they performed. All the data is the only real comparison. You need to keep your gut feel on the sidelines.

Enough said on this subject. If you don't get the point I am talking over your head.


http://www.soonersports.com/SportSe...1000&SPID=127261&SPSID=750398&DB_OEM_ID=31000

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/wbasketball/1718WBBstats.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/attachments1/files/31000/634756.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000

 

[sybarite]

No. You don't get to choose your own facts. I was clear in specifying that I referred to conference play. You insist on only including this year's non-conference schedule. Yet, it has happened all four years. In three of four years, Maddie has outshot Gabbi, once by almost ten percent. In conference play, Gabbi has had more difficulty. The point should be obvious, and there is no disputing the numbers.

I could care less who coaches vote All-Anything.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I've been reading this argument back and forth and I'm not surprised it's between sybarite and someone else. What I'm questioning is why argue this? They were both streaky inconsistent, unreliable players all throughout their careers. Yes they had moments of greatness, but generally neither of them could play well on the same night. I, for one, am relieved they will not be here next year. I think between Williams, V-heimer, Lampkin and Robertson they will easily be replaced. I will miss Vivi however.

Does anyone know, are we looking at picking up at least one more player in this class? I think we need more deaths in the center position. We can't just assume next season we're going to pick up great centers.