NCAA Tournament Selection & Pre-Games Talk

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Agree 5 would be great, but it looks like a 6.

What makes that obvious to you Jerry?

I'm not certain what to expect, although I think 5 or 6 is likely.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Ok, here is one possible scenario that could allow us to host rounds 1 & 2.

Ohio State gets a 4 seed and should host in Columbus, but they can't since the men are playing there.

We get a 5 seed, get bracketed with them, and get to be the ones to host rounds 1 & 2 in their place.

 

[soonerstar]

Ok, here is one possible scenario that could allow us to host rounds 1 & 2.

Ohio State gets a 4 seed and should host in Columbus, but they can't since the men are playing there.

We get a 5 seed, get bracketed with them, and get to be the ones to host rounds 1 & 2 in their place.

I believe Louisville can not host for the same reasons. Arizona State can host now since the Pac 12 moved the wrestling event to Utahh.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I believe Louisville can not host for the same reasons. Arizona State can host now since the Pac 12 moved the wrestling event to Utahh.

We would likely need to drop to a 7 seed to host for Louisville.

 

[soonerstar]

We would likely need to drop to a 7 seed to host for Louisville.

Do not see that happening.

 

[YCN]

It's not that hard to figure out who is in the running for placements at the 1- to 3-seed level, but after that things start getting mighty murky. There are lots of mid-majors this year that are highly ranked by virtue of just one or two wins and a whole lot of wins that carry no weight whatsoever.

Because of OU's 2nd place finish in the conference, 4 games above third, combined with one of the toughest schedules in the country, that gives OU a significant prestige boost. I think that a 6-seed is absolutely the worst that OU could get. In fact, I remember a season no too long ago when OU had 12 losses leading into the tourney and yet received a 3-seed.

A 4-seed isn't entirely out the the question. Charlie Crème thinks that George Washington will be a 4-seed, hosting in DC. Doesn't he understand that besides the ridiculously easy schedule, that GW averaged 880 in home attendance this season?

Also, among those almost certain to get hosting seeds, two cannot host because of scheduling conflicts. Those teams are Ohio State and Louisville. They may play second round games on the road because of this.

That opens up the bracket for two 5-seeds to host. Since OU was among the 20 teams listed by the NCAA as likely host teams, it would really open up the possibility of hosting if OU received a 5-seed. There are more than 2 of those 20 teams that finished worse than OU since the NCAA announcement. Which teams edge them out from behind? There aren't many candidates.

 

[O-State2009]

If they decide to seed us as a #1, which region do you think we will end up in?

Just a push back at OState's suggestion we may end up as a #9. Just as likely a #1 as a #9.

I was not saying Oklahoma would slip to a 9. I was just throwing out the seeds they would need to get in order to be in OKC with Baylor. I don't see them coming close to the 8-9 game. Just stating that they would need to jump 1-2 spots or fall 2-3 spots from Creme's projections.

Big 12 RPI is #1 and for some reason Creme doesn't think that is very important this year. Any of the 5 teams likely to get in could get to the Sweet 16 if they play up to their capabilities. All 5 also have a chance of falling in round 1 if they play like they have at times this year; Oklahoma vs KU, Baylor vs ISU, OSU vs TCU, UT vs KSU, ISU vs TTU, etc.

 

[scrybe]

That makes sense, YCN. I'm really hoping the Sooners get an opportunity to play the first two games at home.

 

[O-State2009]

It's not that hard to figure out who is in the running for placements at the 1- to 3-seed level, but after that things start getting mighty murky. There are lots of mid-majors this year that are highly ranked by virtue of just one or two wins and a whole lot of wins that carry no weight whatsoever.

Because of OU's 2nd place finish in the conference, 4 games above third, combined with one of the toughest schedules in the country, that gives OU a significant prestige boost. I think that a 6-seed is absolutely the worst that OU could get. In fact, I remember a season no too long ago when OU had 12 losses leading into the tourney and yet received a 3-seed.

A 4-seed isn't entirely out the the question. Charlie Crème thinks that George Washington will be a 4-seed, hosting in DC. Doesn't he understand that besides the ridiculously easy schedule, that GW averaged 880 in home attendance this season?

Also, among those almost certain to get hosting seeds, two cannot host because of scheduling conflicts. Those teams are Ohio State and Louisville. They may play second round games on the road because of this.

That opens up the bracket for two 5-seeds to host. Since OU was among the 20 teams listed by the NCAA as likely host teams, it would really open up the possibility of hosting if OU received a 5-seed. There are more than 2 of those 20 teams that finished worse than OU since the NCAA announcement. Which teams edge them out from behind? There aren't many candidates.

It isn't two 5 seeds that will be hosting. It will be whoever the next highest seed in those two teams bracket. Since Louisville is likely a #2, the #7 seed will host in that region not the #5 seed. I bet the lack of hosting ability will play a role in Ohio State's seeding. They likely get dropped to a 5 in favor of a 4 that can host. It isn't right, but I think that is likely to happen if they are the last 4 seed on the S-Curve (or however they do this now).

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Here is something to chew on pre-tournament placement. Also some food to fought as we go dancing. It's some tough meat to swallow.

For the season we are shooting 43.3 percent from the field and 34.7 from behind the arc. Average to below average on the overall and poor beyond the 3 pt. line.

When you break down the last 10 games, you begin to see our flaws pretty well: Lack of movement. Below average movement that actually results in a good look, poor shooting, not enough space to hit the shot, etc., etc.

Going backwards from the Big 12 tournament our FG% and 3 pt. %

Texas -- 25.9/26.9
WVU -- 37.7/33.3
OSU -- 40.4/17.6
KU -- 32.2/8.3
BU -- 38.6/35.3
KSU -- 44.2/47.8
ISU -- 40.3/33.8
TCU -- 47.7/33.3
BU -- 36.4/44
KSU -- 45.1/47.1

In 50% of our last 10 games we've shot less than 40 percent from the field. That is going to get you beat 9 times out of 10, normally. We faired better, but not really.

Behind the arc? In 6 out of 10 we've been below 36 percent from long and in three of those hit less than 27 percent. One wasn't even 9 percent. That's pathetic. The girls might as well have been shooting blind.

We have not lost our shooting touch completely, but we are flirting with big time disaster if we can't hit 40+ from the field and 38 at least from 3. We won't make it past the second game, I guarantee it. Heck, we may not make it past the first.

It's lack of movement, lack of getting open, lack of setting picks tough, lack of shooting when open (which we have done more than we all might think), lack of hitting open shots.

In short, just basically stinking it up outside of the paint in the last month on offense. Bunnies, I think we are OK there, but we have to make the perimeter more effective if we hope to have balance and success at this next level.

Makes me nervous. I know we CAN hit, but it seems like 50 percent of the time we don't. That's a recipe for your getting you fannies, cute or otherwise, handed to you in a very ugly way.

I'll drink a shot and pray the golden touch comes back for the next two weeks.

 

[soonerstar]

I know its apples vs. oranges, but the men were 12-6 in conference and 22-10 overall and got a 3 seed.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I actually kind of like where Creme has us and who we have to play before it gets ugly.

 

[threepointshooter]

I was not saying Oklahoma would slip to a 9. I was just throwing out the seeds they would need to get in order to be in OKC with Baylor. I don't see them coming close to the 8-9 game. Just stating that they would need to jump 1-2 spots or fall 2-3 spots from Creme's projections.

I think your post made sense to most people here.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I was not saying Oklahoma would slip to a 9. I was just throwing out the seeds they would need to get in order to be in OKC with Baylor. I don't see them coming close to the 8-9 game. Just stating that they would need to jump 1-2 spots or fall 2-3 spots from Creme's projections.

They jumped us 2 seed lines (CC had us at 7 - with the 6 coming from what he calls a "procedural jump", and we ended with a 5 seed.

About as good as we could hope for. And we did get in the OKC region, but with a challenging round 2 site (assuming we win our first game).