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[soonerstar]

After the Paris era, our talent level has dramatically declined. At Baylor, after the Griner era, the talent level stays high. Coale vs. Mulkey.

 

[Mark]

After the Paris era, our talent level has dramatically declined. At Baylor, after the Griner era, the talent level stays high. Coale vs. Mulkey.

I would argue Baylor talent level got better after the Griner era.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

There are many reasons why certain kids sign with particular schools.

 

[sybarite]

I would argue Baylor talent level got better after the Griner era.

I don't think it is quite as good. But, I think it fits better. During the Griner area, they had more individual star power: Sims and Griner being quite a bit better than anyone now on the team. But, this groups works together better than any team they have had since 2005.

 

[BanjoCharley]

Maybe Mulkey is finally learning to coach.

 

[35TangoTango]

Maybe Mulkey is finally learning to coach.

Mulkey has always known how to coach. When she got the job at Baylor, she was the most prepared person in the country to become a head coach. She's an extremely disagreeable person, she sees everything through a lens of "us against the world", and she's not above cheating, but she's probably the best coach in the country not named Geno.

Baylor is a phenomenon that is not going to go away. We're going to have to learn to live with that.

 

[skilledserv]

Explain last year.

Last year McCarty and Atkins were freshman. So a year of maturing and getting stronger and this is what you see now

 

[sybarite]

Last year McCarty and Atkins were freshman. So a year of maturing and getting stronger and this is what you see now

And, yet, at the end of the year, they were within two missed free throws of losing to winless Kansas on their home floor, having recently been blown out by OU.

 

[Mac]

Since things are going off topic anyway... I'll add that I'm looking forward to seeing both Rich and Dungee suit up next season... I think both could be an upgrade over what we have in the backcourt right now, even if Sherri won't start them over Little and Ortiz... Dungee has a legit mid rang game, only Carter can consistently hit that shot on this team, and Rich scored over 2400 points in high school so she should be able to put the ball in the basket, I noticed that the Kentucky bio for Rich said she'll need to adjust to the speed of the college game and learn to defined consistently...

 

[sybarite]

Since things are going off topic anyway... I'll add that I'm looking forward to seeing both Rich and Dungee suit up next season... I think both could be an upgrade over what we have in the backcourt right now, even if Sherri won't start them over Little and Ortiz... Dungee has a legit mid rang game, only Carter can consistently hit that shot on this team, and Rich scored over 2400 points in high school so she should be able to put the ball in the basket, I noticed that the Kentucky bio for Rich said she'll need to adjust to the speed of the college game and learn to defined consistently...

I look for them to compete with Gioya and Peyton, but not really with Gabbi, assuming that Gabbi gets her game settled down from this year. Yet, if you look at the stats, our three best three-point shooters were Derica, Maddie, and Gabbi. Our best free throw shooter was Gabbi. Look at turnover/assist:

1.43 (80/56) Maddie
1.31 (98/75) T'Ona
1.28 (74/58) Gabbi
1.07 (62/58) Peyton

Everyone else had more turnovers than assists. Gabbi seemed to be doing horribly. But, she was one of our better three-point shooters, our best free throw shooter, and one of our better ball-handlers.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Since things are going off topic anyway... I'll add that I'm looking forward to seeing both Rich and Dungee suit up next season... I think both could be an upgrade over what we have in the backcourt right now, even if Sherri won't start them over Little and Ortiz... Dungee has a legit mid rang game, only Carter can consistently hit that shot on this team, and Rich scored over 2400 points in high school so she should be able to put the ball in the basket, I noticed that the Kentucky bio for Rich said she'll need to adjust to the speed of the college game and learn to defined consistently...

I said earlier that Dungee may very well start over Maddie. Maddie is shooting 34% from the field and 24% from BTA (both numbers are lower than T'ona). I'm fairly confident Dungee can shoot better than that. Dungee is 5'11" which is taller than Sharane was. Is she an idea 4, no. But if Chelsea can knock down mid-range jumpers and Maddie doesn't improve her shooting, I expect Chelsea to get the nod.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I said earlier that Dungee may very well start over Maddie. Maddie is shooting 34% from the field and 24% from BTA (both numbers are lower than T'ona). I'm fairly confident Dungee can shoot better than that. Dungee is 5'11" which is taller than Sharane was. Is she an idea 4, no. But if Chelsea can knock down mid-range jumpers and Maddie doesn't improve her shooting, I expect Chelsea to get the nod.

Ha. And again Norman........ You can't seem to figure out there is more to the game than points scored- not to mention, Im not too high on Chelsea coming in and averaging 9 a game as a freshman like Maddie did this season- which I predicted at the beginning of the year will greatly increase by next season- furthermore, theres that whole defense thing- where Maddie has to guard players like Nina, to players like Coleman for OSU- You think Chelsea has the length athleticism and size combination to come in and get that done? No, and she shouldn't be asked to- And Won't be asked to. she'll be playing 2 maybe 3 at times. Probably won't play much, at least early because there will be good players with experience ahead of her.

Maddie is near the lead in every statistic they keep for the team and she's technically a sophomore... You oughta take an offseason and figure out why she leads us in minutes played- Im guessing theres a reason.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Theres one spot up for a battle, and that is probably Peyton's spot. And if she starts shooting well again, thats not gonna be up for sale ether. I think Gioya is losing ground on some levels because she isn't playing hard enough D and isn't working within the offense. But if she does those things, theres no question she'll be starting too.


Our team is really going to improve this next year.
Maddie has so much room to grow- need to really work on that footwork- Next years Britney Martin. Potential 1st team no question.

VV- I've seen that jumper, and a turnaround- She HAS to work on that this offseason. IF he can knock that down, she will probably average around 15 a game- Potential 1st team no question. We just saw what happens when all you have are power moves against the likes of Kalani Brown and others. You need variance, and counters. If she's gets that face up game going tho, LOOK OUT.

Gabbi- she WAS gone all summer- maybe had something to do with her not being in sync and maturation.

Gioya, didn't have an offseason. Potential 1st team no question

Rich- Freshman. obvious talent.

Dungee Nancy EJ- all a lot of talent. They will need to help out. But point is, they have a lot of room to grow.

We have a lot of room for growth, and its going to happen this offseason. IM telling you.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I also want to say, Baylor might have more talent next year. But I don't see them being as good.

I look first at 3 scorers that they already have. Nina. Jones. and Wallace. All are going to be better, and they all are going to want to show everyone that they can play at the next level. They all are going to want the ball early and often.

Then I look at Kalani Brown- who Is a freak. I think she can be a great low post scorer when its all said and done. Her dad is PJ Brown, you think he's not gonna get her to call for the ball and be more aggressive?

Then Montpier from what I have seen, I don't think she has the Kalanie Browns hand, I see her being at the odd man out. How is she going to react to be sitting behind Brown and Cox?

Then, insert Cox who is a ball dominating Post player herself. And is going to want to score

You got a lot of peices- that are going to be really difficult to fit together. Some people are going to get attitudes, some are going to lose confidence. This is Geno's true talent, definining players roles and getting them to buy into them. Obviously if Mulkey can do that, they might be the best team in the country. If she can't tho, it could be a disaster.

Niya Johnson might be the head of snake. Cut it off, it could really create chaos.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Why would you say, Syb, that Gabbi should be favored to win the point guard spot? Edwards played more than ever, primarily because Gabbi stunk it up most of the time. I understand the stats, but she stunk it up, no matter what her stats were. She was NEVER a factor in ANY game.

By the end of the season, Edwards was clearly our best point guard.

I think the point guard spot might be wide open next season.

 

[soonermike22]

Ha.

Maddie is near the lead in every statistic they keep for the team and she's technically a sophomore... You oughta take an offseason and figure out why she leads us in minutes played- Im guessing theres a reason.

Unfortunately part of the reason is potential, not production. There are times Maddies defense, rebounding, ball handling, and BB IQ are highly productive, especially late in the season, but there are times she disappears.
You are right if she can stay focused and show her skills consistently, but Norm has a point that a good player can alter the lineup and dislodge Maddie as a starter if she plays Disappear too often.
And we still don't see all that goes on at practice that has a lot to do with starting and playing time.

 

[35TangoTango]

I really don't think you can make too many predictions about next year at this point. There are so many questions to be answered and a nice long off season to answer them.

Can Vivi develop anything other than inside power moves?

What about EJ? She's certainly athletic enough, but at this point doesn't seem to really have a clue about the fine points of playing the position. Can she advance as much this summer as Vivi did last summer?

Is there any alternative to having Maddie as an undersized 4?

What will Nancy be like? Is she the stiff Skilledserv says, or is she really a McDonald's All-American?

Can our guards regain their shooting touch? Can they develop a mid-range game? Harder than it looks.

Will Gabbi benefit from the summer of workouts here that she missed last summer?

Can Tiny develop a shooting game? Something short of taking it all the way among the trees?

Chelsea has know for a long time where she's going and what she needs to do - will she be prepared?

The coaching staff is not used to finishing 2 spots below where they were picked in the conference - will that energize them or produce some changes?

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Unfortunately part of the reason is potential, not production. There are times Maddies defense, rebounding, ball handling, and BB IQ are highly productive, especially late in the season, but there are times she disappears.
You are right if she can stay focused and show her skills consistently, but Norm has a point that a good player can alter the lineup and dislodge Maddie as a starter if she plays Disappear too often.
And we still don't see all that goes on at practice that has a lot to do with starting and playing time.

Fair Points. I still don't see anyone taking her spot, but maybe a decrease in minutes- buts that even a maybe cause she does so many other things. None the less- Typically- If a player has such notidaleble talent they really improve. So I'm not too worried about my stance not holding up. What we need is however, Nancy to come in bulked up and ready to give us a real defensive prescence. and Dungee and Rich to contirbute with their athleticism I think were going to be a lot better next season. A whole lot better actually

 

[sybarite]

I said earlier that Dungee may very well start over Maddie. Maddie is shooting 34% from the field and 24% from BTA (both numbers are lower than T'ona). I'm fairly confident Dungee can shoot better than that. Dungee is 5'11" which is taller than Sharane was. Is she an idea 4, no. But if Chelsea can knock down mid-range jumpers and Maddie doesn't improve her shooting, I expect Chelsea to get the nod.

At least, get the facts correct.

FG%: Maddie 36.7, T'Ona 35.4
3-Pt FG%: Maddie 31.5, T'Ona 21.7

Incidentally, the only two with a higher 3-Pt % were Derica and Gabbi: 38.3 and 32.0, The two "shooters," Peyton and Gioya, were 30.4 and 29.4.

Returning scorers, ppg: 10.6, 9.5, 8.5, 8.4, 7.0, and 6.2. We're talking about one shot per game difference between the top four.

 

[sybarite]

Fair Points. I still don't see anyone taking her spot, but maybe a decrease in minutes- buts that even a maybe cause she does so many other things. None the less- Typically- If a player has such notidaleble talent they really improve. So I'm not too worried about my stance not holding up. What we need is however, Nancy to come in bulked up and ready to give us a real defensive prescence. and Dungee and Rich to contirbute with their athleticism I think were going to be a lot better next season. A whole lot better actually

Sherri tends to put Maddie in to settle the team, whether she scores or not. She would prefer that Maddie began looking for her shot. But, things go better with Maddie on the floor. Other players have mentioned the flow that Maddie brings.