Okay, so who is Plan B?

[StoopsBros]

NC State is a place where you go to get paid for 4-5 years and then get run off.

See: Capel.

 

[coolm]

sorry Sawyer, but Oklahoma makes more money than Mizzou and will keep doing so in the future. OU's practice facility is better, but I give the arena comparison to Mizzou.

OU has a huge presence in Texas and Mizzou can't even compare. It's just a fact.

and the NCAA issue is a non-issue. it will amount to a 2x2 and 1 yr postseason at most (with the postseason in question anyway) and doesn't mean anything in the transition year anyway.

OU job >>> Mizzou job. in fact it's not even that close.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Mizzou's facilities match anything OU has to offer.

Mizzou's willing to go over $2,000,000 for the right coach (rumored offer of at least $2.5M to Painter).

Fertile recruiting areas are all over the place. St. Louis and KC put out quite a bit of talent, for example.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by administration. Are you talking about the AD who hired a guy completely off the radar, gave him a big raise and extension three years in, then fired him two years later? Sounds like a guy who knows what he's doing...

One thing notably absent from your list: current shape of the actual program, both in terms of talent and NCAA issues.

Mizzou doesn't have practice facilities, OU's are top notch.

DFW, Houston and San Antonio are far superior to KC and STL.

Joe Castiglione and David Boren >>>>>>> Mike Alden and Gary whatshisname from Sprint. OU doesn't lose many coaches to other jobs in any sport. We would never lose a good coach to Arkansas, I can tell you that.

MU's program is in better shape but I wouldn't say it's much better. Both programs had elite 8 appearances 3 seasons ago. MU has had 2 return trips to the tourney, but this year was a first round loss. I think OU could be better than MU in less than 2 years, maybe even next year depending on who each program hires.

 

[playmakr]

Mizzou's facilities match anything OU has to offer.

Mizzou's willing to go over $2,000,000 for the right coach (rumored offer of at least $2.5M to Painter).

Fertile recruiting areas are all over the place. St. Louis and KC put out quite a bit of talent, for example.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by administration. Are you talking about the AD who hired a guy completely off the radar, gave him a big raise and extension three years in, then fired him two years later? Sounds like a guy who knows what he's doing...

One thing notably absent from your list: current shape of the actual program, both in terms of talent and NCAA issues.

Where was that AD before Oklahoma, and why did he leave?

 

[Sawyer]

Practice facilities? Really?

You're 7+ hours from Houston or San Antonio. Not exactly a local talent pool. If you're counting that, though, I'm counting Chicago and Indianapolis (both closer to Columbia than San Antonio/Houston to Norman).

MU did lose Anderson to Arkansas. The last time MU lost a coach to another job... about 40 years ago when Dan Devine went to the Packers. MU doesn't lose coaches, either.

 

[coolm]

Practice facilities? Really?

You're 7+ hours from Houston or San Antonio. Not exactly a local talent pool. If you're counting that, though, I'm counting Chicago and Indianapolis (both closer to Columbia than San Antonio/Houston to Norman).

MU did lose Anderson to Arkansas. The last time MU lost a coach to another job... about 40 years ago when Dan Devine went to the Packers. MU doesn't lose coaches, either.

doesn't matter how far we are from them. Players from there have been coming to OU for 50 years so we have a presence all over Texas that Mizzou doesn't. If you wanna say you get Chicago then fine....but with Texas we still win (and rather dramatically at that).

 

[Tony]

Who was it that said the only people who think the Missouri program is better than the Oklahoma program are Missouri fans and Oklahoma fans? I think it was playmakr but not sure. That was a funny line.

 

[Sawyer]

Dallas has a higher concentration of Mizzou alumni than anywhere outside the state of Missouri...

 

[Big Old Booger]

Practice facilities? Really?

You're 7+ hours from Houston or San Antonio. Not exactly a local talent pool. If you're counting that, though, I'm counting Chicago and Indianapolis (both closer to Columbia than San Antonio/Houston to Norman).

MU did lose Anderson to Arkansas. The last time MU lost a coach to another job... about 40 years ago when Dan Devine went to the Packers. MU doesn't lose coaches, either.

Hey, I like you as a poster and as a resident of Missouri, I hope Mizzou kicks the crap out of KU every year. But, I can't agree with you that Mizzou is better than OU.

The administration at MU has had a lot of problems. Who was the president of the college who's wife was hanging out with the convict that Quin brought in and landed all of them in hot water? What about the people who donated the money for Paige Arena, named it that and then were exposed as Paige cheated to get out of college at USC?

The whole move to the big 10 was a colossal embarrassment for MU, not to mention the entire episode with Quin and his firing.

If MU had some type of basketball success other than some conference championships, I would agree the programs are fairly close, but the fact is they don't. OU's success far outweighs MU's and the administration at OU is light years better.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Dallas has a higher concentration of Mizzou alumni than anywhere outside the state of Missouri...

Maybe so, but I can promise you the number of MU alums in DFW is dwarfed by the number of OU alums. To further my point, the Dallas Morning News has a beatwriter for OU and have for the last 10 years or so, because of the high readership that are OU fans/alums.

 

[seniorsooner]

Who was it that said the only people who think the Missouri program is better than the Oklahoma program are Missouri fans and Oklahoma fans? I think it was playmakr but not sure. That was a funny line.

+1

 

[Hijinx]

I hate to get this thread back on track, but has Donnie Jones been mentioned?

I'd say he'd be a good plan C. if Jackie Moon turned down an offer.

 

[coolm]

Dallas has a higher concentration of Mizzou alumni than anywhere outside the state of Missouri...

you're just NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya?

 

[campbest]

I honestly don't think it matters who the better program is...prestige is overrated unless you're one of the higher echelon programs.

Mizzou has some players coming back, right now, it is more attractive job, hands down. No NCAA troubles, proven players and momentum from multiple tournament runs to build on recruiting. Mizzou is expected to make the tournament no matter who is coaching next year...we're a NIT team.

 

[Sawyer]

Hey, I like you as a poster and as a resident of Missouri, I hope Mizzou kicks the crap out of KU every year. But, I can't agree with you that Mizzou is better than OU.

The administration at MU has had a lot of problems. Who was the president of the college who's wife was hanging out with the convict that Quin brought in and landed all of them in hot water? What about the people who donated the money for Paige Arena, named it that and then were exposed as Paige cheated to get out of college at USC?

The whole move to the big 10 was a colossal embarrassment for MU, not to mention the entire episode with Quin and his firing.

If MU had some type of basketball success other than some conference championships, I would agree the programs are fairly close, but the fact is they don't. OU's success far outweighs MU's and the administration at OU is light years better.

I don't believe I said MU was better than OU. I said OU wasn't better than MU.

The president you're thinking of was Elson Floyd. Last I heard he was at Washington State. He hasn't been at Mizzou for about five years. He's irrelevant at this point, as is the Quin/Ricky Clemons fiasco.

Bill Laurie's daughter cheating at USC several years ago isn't what I'd call relevant, either. That whole family has been out of the picture for some time, as well (not sure if they still donate, but they have done so privately if they do).

The Big 10 thing was embarrassing for fans at the time. It's not really an issue anymore, and I can guarantee no recruit gives a crap about it.

The Quin firing, once again, is ancient history. The last time Quin coached a game at Mizzou, the average class of 2012 recruit was 11-12 years old.

Your "success" includes two final fours in the past 25 years. That's it as far as having an edge. Aside from that, the two programs have been more or less the same. And like with Quin, the last time you were in a final four, recruits were in elementary school. You think your new coach is going to sell recruits based on a final four OU went to two coaches ago?

Pretty much everything you're point to as a sign of OU's superiority is either too old to matter or completely subjective and without any real way to judge ("better administration," for example).

 

[coolm]

I don't believe I said MU was better than OU. I said OU wasn't better than MU.

The president you're thinking of was Elson Floyd. Last I heard he was at Washington State. He hasn't been at Mizzou for about five years. He's irrelevant at this point, as is the Quin/Ricky Clemons fiasco.

Bill Laurie's daughter cheating at USC several years ago isn't what I'd call relevant, either. That whole family has been out of the picture for some time, as well (not sure if they still donate, but they have done so privately if they do).

The Big 10 thing was embarrassing for fans at the time. It's not really an issue anymore, and I can guarantee no recruit gives a crap about it.

The Quin firing, once again, is ancient history. The last time Quin coached a game at Mizzou, the average class of 2012 recruit was 11-12 years old.

Your "success" includes two final fours in the past 25 years. That's it as far as having an edge. Aside from that, the two programs have been more or less the same. And like with Quin, the last time you were in a final four, recruits were in elementary school. You think your new coach is going to sell recruits based on a final four OU went to two coaches ago?

Pretty much everything you're point to as a sign of OU's superiority is either too old to matter or completely subjective and without any real way to judge ("better administration," for example).

mmmmmmm no, the "superiority" is due to the fact they STILL will have heard "O.U." in their short lives much more than they will have heard "University of Missouri".

 

[Big Old Booger]

I don't believe I said MU was better than OU. I said OU wasn't better than MU.

The president you're thinking of was Elson Floyd. Last I heard he was at Washington State. He hasn't been at Mizzou for about five years. He's irrelevant at this point, as is the Quin/Ricky Clemons fiasco.

Bill Laurie's daughter cheating at USC several years ago isn't what I'd call relevant, either. That whole family has been out of the picture for some time, as well (not sure if they still donate, but they have done so privately if they do).

The Big 10 thing was embarrassing for fans at the time. It's not really an issue anymore, and I can guarantee no recruit gives a crap about it.

The Quin firing, once again, is ancient history. The last time Quin coached a game at Mizzou, the average class of 2012 recruit was 11-12 years old.

Your "success" includes two final fours in the past 25 years. That's it as far as having an edge. Aside from that, the two programs have been more or less the same. And like with Quin, the last time you were in a final four, recruits were in elementary school. You think your new coach is going to sell recruits based on a final four OU went to two coaches ago?

Pretty much everything you're point to as a sign of OU's superiority is either too old to matter or completely subjective and without any real way to judge ("better administration," for example).

Floyd, Laurie, Clemons, Big 10 are all just 1 embarrassment for MU after another over the years. It just goes to show the joke that MU administration is and has been for years.

At least they have been able to keep the football coach, who I think is a solid guy and a good coach and at some point he is going to win a conference championship. I actually thought the MU administration was improving until this Anderson debacle started. Alden should have never offered him an extension because it makes MU look even worse that he took the Arkansas job.

 

[Sawyer]

Here's how the Anderson thing played out:

Alden and Anderson begin working on an extension at Mizzou several months ago (before the season even started). Anderson assures Alden and everyone at Mizzou that this is where he wants to be.

Arkansas rumors begin to surface at the end of the season. Alden and Mizzou BoC finalize the deal that has long been in the works for Anderson. Offer is $2 million/7 years. After this is finalized, Anderson asks Alden for permission to talk to Arkansas. Alden grants permission on the condition that if he does talk, the offer from MU is off the table. Anderson chooses to talk with Arkansas.

Anderson had an extension at Mizzou if he wanted it several months ago. When the Arkansas rumors got real, the extension was pulled.



The "embarrassments" you keep citing are irrelevant.

 

[152219]

I have lived in Dallas for 12 years and I have met......zero Mizzou alums here. Not a single one

 

[campbest]

I have lived in Dallas for 12 years and I have met......zero Mizzou alums here. Not a single one

Was about to say...I've lived here for almost three years and I know zero Mizzou alums.

See a ton of KU, K-State, OU, OSU, UT, Baylor, Texas Tech, A&M and LSU. Maybe we just don't hang out in the same areas.