OSU penalties today....

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

This has to do with Jeffery Carroll. The Assistant involved was fired and the head coach that hired him is long gone. Boynton will get a clean bill of health

Punishment is fair as long as they treat the blue bloods involved in the investigation, Arizona and Kansas the same

 

[SuperHoops]

OSU has put an official response out on twitter but I can't post it right now. Going to appeal and vigorously says the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

 

[WaymanFan]

This has to do with Jeffery Carroll. The Assistant involved was fired and the head coach that hired him is long gone. Boynton will get a clean bill of health

Punishment is fair as long as they treat the blue bloods involved in the investigation, Arizona and Kansas the same

No disagreement from me...it’s just that we know the Blue Bloods are not treated the same...with overwhelming evidence to back that up.

A lot of people (though perhaps not on this board ) thought OU got off pretty easy after we had a second round of infractions during the Capel regime (Tiny Gallon). What needs to be pointed out, though, was the hiring of a head coach who squeaked when he walked. Joe C would not take NO for an answer (and that took awhile)...that is the sole reason the NCAA went easy on us when they didn’t have to. I’m just not sure what I would do as AD of OSU, especially since Boynton appears to be clean by all accounts.

 

[CoachTalk]

All lip service by OSU. They’ve been negotiating for awhile. They knew what was coming.

Ku will 3/4 year ban is my guess.

 

[thebigabd]

All lip service by OSU. They’ve been negotiating for awhile. They knew what was coming.

Ku will 3/4 year ban is my guess.

If a program gets a 3-4 year ban for cheating, you have to think they fire Bill Self, right?

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

Jay Bilas
@JayBilas
Typical. Screw the players that had absolutely nothing to do with an assistant coach violating his ethics, which provided no competitive advantage whatsoever. Absurd overkill, and an ineffective deterrent. The players were the victims of the ethical violation! Now re-victimized.

 

[CoachTalk]

If a program gets a 3-4 year ban for cheating, you have to think they fire Bill Self, right?

I think he leaves for NBA

 

[sdcloud9]

This has to do with Jeffery Carroll. The Assistant involved was fired and the head coach that hired him is long gone. Boynton will get a clean bill of health

Punishment is fair as long as they treat the blue bloods involved in the investigation, Arizona and Kansas the same

You are exactly right!!

 

[BCSooners]

I think Boyton is safe, still a little eye opening to hire Cunningham’s brother. This wasn’t one assistant though, Underwood has SFA under investigation too.

 

[AdaSooner]

OSU’s AD, Mike Holder, is shocked about the post season ban. He not only said the university will appeal the NCAA’s ruling, he issued a challenge at the end of his remarks that may not bode well for schools like KU with more egregious violations.

https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=29272327

 

[schoonerdriver]

Jay Bilas
@JayBilas
Typical. Screw the players that had absolutely nothing to do with an assistant coach violating his ethics, which provided no competitive advantage whatsoever. Absurd overkill, and an ineffective deterrent. The players were the victims of the ethical violation! Now re-victimized.

What did Bilas want the NCAA to do then?

 

[coolm]

this leaves me with hope that Kansas will get jacked too

 

[mict085]

So bilas thinks they shouldn’t punish the schools that cheated? The school is responsible and should be held responsible. Boynton and the rest of the players knew this was a possibility and they assumed the risk. They likely thought they’d all get away with it.

osu deserves the punishment. KU and the others deserve to get 5 times as much punishment. We’ll see if that happens or not.

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

So bilas thinks they shouldn’t punish the schools that cheated? The school is responsible and should be held responsible. Boynton and the rest of the players knew this was a possibility and they assumed the risk. They likely thought they’d all get away with it.

osu deserves the punishment. KU and the others deserve to get 5 times as much punishment. We’ll see if that happens or not.

You may be right but how was anyone to know that Evans was asking agents for money to stir a player to him? The NCAA cited no recruiting violations and no lack of institutional control. Evans is in jail. Underwood is gone. Boynton although not accused of wrong doing will suffer the consequences

I think this may help KU. The NCAA may take so much flak that from this that they walk on egg shells with KU Just a gut feeling

 

[skyvue]

You may be right but how was anyone to know that Evans was asking agents for money to stir a player to him? The NCAA cited no recruiting violations and no lack of institutional control. Evans is in jail. Underwood is gone. Boynton although not accused of wrong doing will suffer the consequences

I think this may help KU. The NCAA may take so much flak that from this that they walk on egg shells with KU Just a gut feeling

What punishment would have been fair?

At some point, schools have to be held responsible for the actions of their coaches. They have to improve their hiring practices, their vetting, their oversight. Hiring slimeballs and then crying victim just because that slimeball has moved on is, at this point, a pretty tiresome tactic (and I don't mean to direct this at oswho only -- it's pervasive across most of bigtime collegiate sports. "Hey, how could we have known?")

Like all major reforms, it'll take some time, but punish schools harshly for this stuff and at some point, they'll all take more seriously the process of finding coaches who will play it straight.

 

[fhosu]

What punishment would have been fair?

At some point, schools have to be held responsible for the actions of their coaches. They have to improve their hiring practices, their vetting, their oversight. Hiring slimeballs and then crying victim just because that slimeball has moved on is, at this point, a pretty tiresome tactic (and I don't mean to direct this at oswho only -- it's pervasive across most of bigtime collegiate sports. "Hey, how could we have known?")

Like all major reforms, it'll take some time, but punish schools harshly for this stuff and at some point, they'll all take more seriously the process of finding coaches who will play it straight.

I hear ya on this. Nothing will change unless there are harsh punishments for wrongdoing. What about monetary penalties? Those punish the university. Post season bans punish people that had no part of the violation.

 

[WaymanFan]

What punishment would have been fair?

At some point, schools have to be held responsible for the actions of their coaches. They have to improve their hiring practices, their vetting, their oversight. Hiring slimeballs and then crying victim just because that slimeball has moved on is, at this point, a pretty tiresome tactic (and I don't mean to direct this at oswho only -- it's pervasive across most of bigtime collegiate sports. "Hey, how could we have known?")

Like all major reforms, it'll take some time, but punish schools harshly for this stuff and at some point, they'll all take more seriously the process of finding coaches who will play it straight.

That makes sense, Skyvue, but I don’t remember our fan base thinking the same thing when we were going thru the Tiny Gallon situation. In other words, we were just as biased about OU as any fan or alum would be about their school. If I had to be completely objective, I thought what North Carolina did was far more egregious than what happened at OSU. I also don’t think for a second that any Blue Blood would have received a postseason ban for what OSU did.

 

[mict085]

You may be right but how was anyone to know that Evans was asking agents for money to stir a player to him? The NCAA cited no recruiting violations and no lack of institutional control. Evans is in jail. Underwood is gone. Boynton although not accused of wrong doing will suffer the consequences

I think this may help KU. The NCAA may take so much flak that from this that they walk on egg shells with KU Just a gut feeling

I believe the schools have to held accountable. They hire coaches and pay millions and tell them to win. They fully support the cheating as long as they don’t get caught. When they do get caught, they act surprised and try to say they shouldn’t be punished because the coach was fired. That’s BS.

 

[NickZepp]

Watch Kansas get off light. They should get 3-4 year ban and like 10+ scholarships.

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[skyvue]

That makes sense, Skyvue, but I don’t remember our fan base thinking the same thing when we were going thru the Tiny Gallon situation.

You're right, of course, and it's easy for me to talk tough when we're not impacted (and when we have a coach who is thought to be squeaky clean). But there should be more coaches who are squeaky clean.

It's been a number of years since the Gallon affair, and I've grown that much more tired of the slimy aspects of college sports. I wouldn't mind seeing a major upheaval that washes college sports clean (cleaner, at least) and downsizes the whole big mess. It's too big, there's too much money involved, and it too often ends up in the wrong pockets.