OU and the Bubble...

[Hollisp]

• I thought Longar Longar would develop into an NBA player.
• I thought Austin Johnson would play in the NBA.
• I have started multiple threads touting Hannes Polla.
• I have been wrong about Texas Tech a million times, and when I gave up on them they became legitimately good.
• I always thought Nebraska (back in the original Big 12 days) was super close to becoming relevant
• I blamed Trae Young for last year

I think most of us who post quite a bit have a list of things we were wrong about.

I def had the Nebraska being close as well! Ha! That’s a good one.

 

[Eielson]

No, it is not the topic of discussion.

Yes, actually it was. This is a message board, so more than one topic can be discussed on it. I'm sure you've had discussions with others about whether or not this team could make the NCAA tournament with a 7-11 conference record. It appears you were right, so for that -- here's a cookie.

But the quote I was responding to had nothing to do with whether or not this team will make the NCAA tournament, and everything to do with if they're deserving. I could easily pull the quote again, but I'd rather not punish the posters on this board by making them read that painfully awful comparison about the Patriots again. Once was quite enough.

 

[Eielson]

I have a friend who's an Ohio St fan. Multiple times, maybe 6 or 7 years ago when their football team was making it to the playoff only to get blown out by teams like Florida, he told me with a straight face and 100% conviction that he didn't want Ohio St to make the playoff because they were going to get blown out. It would be embarrassing bc, in his mind, they didn't deserve to be there, weren't good enough, etc. I thought It was absurd then and believe it's absurd now. I'm not glad USC beat OU in that National Championship game by about 100 but it helps the program to have played in 1 more title game and you can't win it if you're not in the game.

Titles matter. The ability to hang banners matters. Making the tournament matters but there is little doubt that there are OU fans who would rather the team play in the NIT & win a few games than go 1 & done in the NCAA tournament...losing to some "also-ran" team or whatever term was used to describe the 7 seed we would play in the 1st round.

I don't agree with that position and think it's absurd bc, at the end of the day, you want to be able to tell recruits you've made the tournament 6 out of the last 7 years, or x-number of years in a row. Losing in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament is miles better than winning any number of games in the NIT. But there's no doubt that OU has some fans just like my Ohio St friend.

I agree full-heartedly that I'd take an early NCAA exit over any level of success in the NIT, but who is this directed at? I don't remember every single post on here, but to my knowledge, nobody has stated that they want an NIT bid over and NCAA bid. As far as I can tell, this is just another strawman.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I agree full-heartedly that I'd take an early NCAA exit over any level of success in the NIT, but who is this directed at? I don't remember every single post on here, but to my knowledge, nobody has stated that they want an NIT bid over and NCAA bid. As far as I can tell, this is just another strawman.

Man you are clueless. A guy who hijacks a thread about whether we WILL make the tourney to give your opinion about whether we should based on your subjective belief is now getting on Ghost who was replying directly to a post asking people whether they would prefer an NIT title to an early NCAA exit. Keep trying and maybe, just maybe, you will correctly use the strawman analogy one of these days.

 

[Hollisp]

Man you are clueless. A guy who hijacks a thread about whether we WILL make the tourney to give your opinion about whether we should based on your subjective belief is now getting on Ghost who was replying directly to a post asking people whether they would prefer an NIT title to an early NCAA exit. Keep trying and maybe, just maybe, you will correctly use the strawman analogy one of these days.

Oh man! Hahhahahahahaahaha! Great post.

He’s been trying for over a week to eek out a W somehow and it’s just getting worse and worse with every attempt.

 

[Eielson]

Man you are clueless. A guy who hijacks a thread about whether we WILL make the tourney to give your opinion about whether we should based on your subjective belief

Are you talking about yourself in third person?

But the basic premise is, the best 36 (I think that is the correct number) at large teams in the country in any given year make it. So if you are one of those teams, yes, you deserve to be in. The fact that you might not have been as good as team number 36 in a different year is completely irrelevant. It would be like saying well, the Patriots won their sixth Super Bowl this year, but they clearly weren't as good as most/all of their previous championship teams, so they don't really deserve it this season.

 

[Max Power]

Davidson lost to La Salle

 

[Max Power]

Bubble teams in action tonight:
Clemson (@Pitt)....Clemson is "last 4 in"-ish
UCF (@South Florida)....UCF is current projected 11 seed
Ole Miss (Tennessee)....Ole Miss is currently projected 8/9 seed.
Texas (@Baylor)....Texas is currently projected 9/10 seed.
Florida (@Vandy)....UF is currently projected 10/11 seed.
Auburn (@Georgia)....Auburn is currently projected 8/9 seed.

All projections above per Bracket Matrix. For comparison, OU is a projected 9-seed currently.

Baylor Beats texas 84-83 in OT
Clemson beats Pitt 62-48
UCF beats USF 75-63
Tennessee beats Ole Miss 73-71
Florida beats Vandy 71-55
Auburn beats Georgia 78-75

 

[WichitaSooner]

Are you talking about yourself in third person?

Keep trying. Nothing like cropping off your block quote right before the part that shows what a clown you are. I don't know what's worse ... if you really believe what you are saying here, or if you just unwilling to admit that your initial theory on this topic has been blown out of the water.

 

[stormspencer]

Baylor Beats texas 84-83 in OT
Clemson beats Pitt 62-48
UCF beats USF 75-63
Tennessee beats Ole Miss 73-71
Florida beats Vandy 71-55
Auburn beats Georgia 78-75

The loss doesn't necessarily hurt Texas, but blowing a big lead and then losing in OT when you had a great chance for a Quad-1 win really stings. The pitchforks and torches just hot a little hotter for Shaka.

 

[Eielson]

Keep trying. Nothing like cropping off your block quote right before the part that shows what a clown you are. I don't know what's worse ... if you really believe what you are saying here, or if you just unwilling to admit that your initial theory on this topic has been blown out of the water.

I hate to break it to you, but your butchered attempt to compare this team to the New England Patriots didn't blow anything out of the water. Well, except maybe our confidence in your ability to make a legitimate comparison.

 

[WaymanFan]

Geez, guys, lighten up! Everyone on here is entitled to an opinion on whether this OU team is deserving and how many wins it takes. I have stated multiple times that 7-11 won't get us in, and I've come to realize that I will likely be wrong...doesn't make me or anyone else who agreed with me a bad fan unless one of us would rather be right than make the NCAA Tournament.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Geez, guys, lighten up! Everyone on here is entitled to an opinion on whether this OU team is deserving and how many wins it takes. I have stated multiple times that 7-11 won't get us in, and I've come to realize that I will likely be wrong...doesn't make me or anyone else who agreed with me a bad fan unless one of us would rather be right than make the NCAA Tournament.

I agree with you, you are entitled to your opinion, and you also show that you are willing to admit it when you realize you were wrong. I don't have any issue with people who do that. I do have an issue with people who constantly change their argument and who get off topic. If certain posters want to debate what the selection criteria SHOULD be, they should start a new thread and leave this one to those of us who want to discus the status of this year's bubble and how many more wins OU needs to be safe.

 

[Eielson]

I agree with you, you are entitled to your opinion, and you also show that you are willing to admit it when you realize you were wrong. I don't have any issue with people who do that. I do have an issue with people who constantly change their argument and who get off topic. If certain posters want to debate what the selection criteria SHOULD be, they should start a new thread and leave this one to those of us who want to discus the status of this year's bubble and how many more wins OU needs to be safe.

My first post in this thread was a response to you, so if we got off topic it's your doing. But that's not the issue. The issue is that you know that your Patriots argument was brutally flawed, and you can't defend the 7-9 Seahawks as deserving. I've mentioned it several times, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Instead you just throw around personal insults and scream "IRRELEVANT" or "OFF-TOPIC (even though I'm the one that brought it up." With your type, that's as close to admitting defeat as you'll get. With that in mind, there's no need for this to go further.

But please feel free to resort to one of the tactics I mentioned above so I can get one more laugh. Have a wonderful day.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I agree with you, you are entitled to your opinion, and you also show that you are willing to admit it when you realize you were wrong. I don't have any issue with people who do that. I do have an issue with people who constantly change their argument and who get off topic. If certain posters want to debate what the selection criteria SHOULD be, they should start a new thread and leave this one to those of us who want to discus the status of this year's bubble and how many more wins OU needs to be safe.

Or you could pick and choose which posts you elect to respond to.

 

[Hollisp]

The loss doesn't necessarily hurt Texas, but blowing a big lead and then losing in OT when you had a great chance for a Quad-1 win really stings. The pitchforks and torches just hot a little hotter for Shaka.

Texas team has some serious talent and in typical Austin fashion they rarely live up to it. I agree Shaka has to start hearing whispers soon. I know Roach is suspended but still.

Lon justifiably gets heat for player development but Shaka has a lot more to work with.

 

[WichitaSooner]

My first post in this thread was a response to you, so if we got off topic it's your doing. But that's not the issue. The issue is that you know that your Patriots argument was brutally flawed, and you can't defend the 7-9 Seahawks as deserving. I've mentioned it several times, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Instead you just throw around personal insults and scream "IRRELEVANT" or "OFF-TOPIC (even though I'm the one that brought it up." With your type, that's as close to admitting defeat as you'll get. With that in mind, there's no need for this to go further.

But please feel free to resort to one of the tactics I mentioned above so I can get one more laugh. Have a wonderful day.

You want a response? Ok, here it is -- yes, the Seahawks deserved to make the playoffs. Every team in the NFL goes into the season knowing that if you win your division, you make the playoffs regardless of record. That's the great things about sports, they have these things called scoreboards and standings. If you end up with more wins than the teams you are competing against, playing under a set of rules that everyone knew about in advance, you make the playoffs. If the league ever decides to change its system and make it so that the 6 teams with the best records make it, regardless of division affiliation, then the teams who meet that criterion would also be deserving. As long as the rules aren't changed midstream, it's fair to all involved because every team goes in knowing the system. Just like in college basketball, every team knows how important nonconference scheduling is. And every team in the country has known for multiple years now that conference record doesn't factor in to the process anymore. You and others can bit$h about that all you want, but it doesn't change the reality.

Also, speaking of flawed analogies, your Seahawks one takes the prize. To the extent anyone doesn't think they deserved it, the premise would be that they got lucky to make it by virtue of playing in a terrible division in which no one could finish better than 7-9. By comparison, OU is a team who will finish with a bad record in one of the best conferences in the country. It's not like we are talking about a team who is 5-10 in the Missouri Valley.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Let's fix your comparison. The 2010 Seattle Seahawks made it into the playoffs with a losing record (7-9) because the NFC West was historically bad that year. Did that Seahawks team deserve to be in the playoffs? I say no.

yes they did .. because getting into the NFL playoffs is 100% objective

 

[BoulderSooner]

No, it is not the topic of discussion. The discussion has been what OU needs to do in its remaining games to make the tournament. Those of us who analyzed all the projections and concluded that we need x-number of additional wins to make it never once speculated on whether that would have been enough in any previous year.

So, like conference record, record against teams in the top half of the league, whether Trae Young is on the roster, record against teams who primarily wear orange and are from east of the Mississippi River, etc., it is, by definition, not relevant in a discussion of what OU needs to do to make this year's field. if you want to have a philosophical debate about whether the criteria should be different, that's perfectly fine. It just shouldn't be used to support an argument about what needs to happen in the next two weeks for us to end up on the right side of the bubble on March 17.

so much this

 

[BoulderSooner]

Goal post moving by this group is steeeerong. I’ve been wrong many many times in life. Prolly a lot more than most on here. It’s ok to say “oh I was wrong, or oh I was misinformed” but the changing narrative to win an online message board issue is bizarre to me.

Things I’ve been wrong about with OU basketball
-After his RS Frosh year: JA$ would be a fringe Big 12 POY by the time he left OU.
-Kruger would retire last year.
-Trae was def gonna stay 2 years bc he was unseasoned defensively.
-Blake would leave after 1 year
-I was the biggest fanboy of Capel even AFTER he got fired (def my worst take)

The list goes on.

i was very wrong about the move of Cousins to PG ..