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I didn't like it because my mom told me I didn't get on TV. They have terrible camera angles there.
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I didn't like it because my mom told me I didn't get on TV. They have terrible camera angles there.
1:27 First Quarter
K-State 24 OU 12
Middlebrook has ten points
Middlebrook has been fouled by Gabbi, Peyton, and Chelsea.
Chelsea has six. She is even credited with an assist on her own layup.
Peyton has two turnovers in a row.
Maddie comes off the bench.
It was a disaster in the making. I really hated seeing Maddie. She was so stiff and immobile that I worry that we may have brought her back too soon. She did calm the water a bit.
We made it all the way back to 59-57 with 8:32 left as Peyton hit a three. Then, we got the ball with a chance to tie, and Gabbi threw it somewhere behind Gioya, somewhat of a no-look pass that wasn't even close. We never seemed to get back our fire.
We did get it to 61-60 with a free throw by Vivi. Then, missed three-pointers by Peyton, Maddie, and Maddie and layups by Chelsea and Vivi with a turnover, and they were out to 70-62. We quit doing what had got us back into the game. Work the system, and maybe we win.
K-State 24 OU 12
Middlebrook has ten points
Middlebrook has been fouled by Gabbi, Peyton, and Chelsea.
Chelsea has six. She is even credited with an assist on her own layup.
Peyton has two turnovers in a row.
Maddie comes off the bench.
It was a disaster in the making. I really hated seeing Maddie. She was so stiff and immobile that I worry that we may have brought her back too soon. She did calm the water a bit.
We made it all the way back to 59-57 with 8:32 left as Peyton hit a three. Then, we got the ball with a chance to tie, and Gabbi threw it somewhere behind Gioya, somewhat of a no-look pass that wasn't even close. We never seemed to get back our fire.
We did get it to 61-60 with a free throw by Vivi. Then, missed three-pointers by Peyton, Maddie, and Maddie and layups by Chelsea and Vivi with a turnover, and they were out to 70-62. We quit doing what had got us back into the game. Work the system, and maybe we win.
Quotes from SC...
“I thought Kansas State played really well and I thought they did a great job. We continued to make [Karyla] Middlebrook look like an all-star. She has had her two biggest games in conference play against us. With that being said, I cannot remember the last time we only shot nine free throws in a game and it was not like we were settling for threes..."
On defending Breanna Lewis...
“She shot a lot of free throws. She shot nine free throws, so she shot as many as our whole team by herself. She is a load to guard down there. She is a load and she is really good for them.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/postgame-quotes-vs-oklahoma-02-21-2017?DB_OEM_ID=31000
I didn't see the game (not on Uverse)...so was the officiating lopsided when it came to calling fouls?
“I thought Kansas State played really well and I thought they did a great job. We continued to make [Karyla] Middlebrook look like an all-star. She has had her two biggest games in conference play against us. With that being said, I cannot remember the last time we only shot nine free throws in a game and it was not like we were settling for threes..."
On defending Breanna Lewis...
“She shot a lot of free throws. She shot nine free throws, so she shot as many as our whole team by herself. She is a load to guard down there. She is a load and she is really good for them.”
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/postgame-quotes-vs-oklahoma-02-21-2017?DB_OEM_ID=31000
I didn't see the game (not on Uverse)...so was the officiating lopsided when it came to calling fouls?
Let's just say that Vivi got mugged several times without a foul being called. Meanwhile, Breanna was getting touch fouls. A couple of fouls called on Vivi were actually on Breanna, if anyone. We got one foul when a K-State player fell down, and happened to fall into one of our players. She fell of her own accord. It was rather typical home cooking.
Yep, home cooking is spot on. Vivi also got called for traveling when she fell because a KState defender was standing on her foot.
Tough loss, but I liked our fight to get back in after trailing by 19 on the road. We never really settled into the game; always felt like we were somewhat scattered.
GREAT to see Maddie back in the fray ... even at less than 100%. She played quite a bit and didn't tweak it, so that's a step in the right direction.
File this one away, value the lessons learned and get ready to go to TCU on Saturday.
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Not an unexpected loss, but after we had played so well to just give away boards with no effort and no help for Vivi, it was very frustrating as I am sure it was for everyone on the floor.
It was just ridiculous. Against teams like KSU, we have to have more than one person on the boards.
Playing at home in the first round of the NCAAs is teetering off the table with every game. I don't have any hope of beating Baylor, but we'd better win against TCU and look good doing it and we better not just come out flat and lay down like we did the last time against Baylor.
I bet Sherri wants to pull her hair out about right now.
I also thought Vivi was a not quick enough to pass the ball back out when they collapsed 3 people on her. She was trying to do it all herself. When Vivi had the ball, everyone else was just standing around waiting on her to save us.
Ortiz's fouls early really hurt. TT was not any good. I really think Maddie shouldn't have played. You all will argue with me, but we had a chemistry going and I think we just lost it because of the foul trouble and Maddie -- and I'm not saying she didn't play well. She did OK. She was Maddie. Watching from a poker room it just looked like everything was out of sync.
It was just ridiculous. Against teams like KSU, we have to have more than one person on the boards.
Playing at home in the first round of the NCAAs is teetering off the table with every game. I don't have any hope of beating Baylor, but we'd better win against TCU and look good doing it and we better not just come out flat and lay down like we did the last time against Baylor.
I bet Sherri wants to pull her hair out about right now.
I also thought Vivi was a not quick enough to pass the ball back out when they collapsed 3 people on her. She was trying to do it all herself. When Vivi had the ball, everyone else was just standing around waiting on her to save us.
Ortiz's fouls early really hurt. TT was not any good. I really think Maddie shouldn't have played. You all will argue with me, but we had a chemistry going and I think we just lost it because of the foul trouble and Maddie -- and I'm not saying she didn't play well. She did OK. She was Maddie. Watching from a poker room it just looked like everything was out of sync.
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I agree with that, from what I saw. As I said. She didn't have a bad game, especially considering you could tell she wasn't back in form or maybe not healed 100 percent.
She had an OK game. I think having to play TT so much, especially after her injury layoff, was pretty detrimental to our chemistry.
What we are really needing is more than one player to go off every game like Vivi and Ortiz have done in a couple of games. Vivi and Gabbi need a third player to light it up to loosen up defenses, especially like the one we saw last night or the one coming up against Baylor.
Offensively Peyton and Maddie have been OK, but nothing to write home about. Defensively both have been very good.
She had an OK game. I think having to play TT so much, especially after her injury layoff, was pretty detrimental to our chemistry.
What we are really needing is more than one player to go off every game like Vivi and Ortiz have done in a couple of games. Vivi and Gabbi need a third player to light it up to loosen up defenses, especially like the one we saw last night or the one coming up against Baylor.
Offensively Peyton and Maddie have been OK, but nothing to write home about. Defensively both have been very good.
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And don't forget to rebound!!!! Follow your shot!!!! We would shoot a three and stand there and watch it.....Go get it, just in case it doesn't go in !!!
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The KSU announcers several times sad something like "There was a lot of contact in there (when they would mug Vivi as she tried to shoot). We were lucky they didn't call a foul on us." If they could see it, there was a problem. Obviously Sherri saw it too since she brought up the issue of fouls called - and not called - more than once in her post game talk.
Some of the fouls they call on Nancy are truly absurd. She had 3 fouls in 5 minutes last night. That translates into 24 fouls in a full 40 minute game - something that to the best of my knowledge has NEVER happened in the history of women's BB. They just like to call touch fouls on her - and sometimes "well she almost touched her" fouls. Something fishy is going on with that stuff.
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The last couple of fouls on Vivi were not fouls. If they were it definitely was ricky-tack.
They mugged Vivi and Gabbi all night long with hip checks, slapping at the ball, etc. It was not a good-called game.
They mugged Vivi and Gabbi all night long with hip checks, slapping at the ball, etc. It was not a good-called game.
I will almost never complain about the refs..if they calling it close then you have to make changes. And I do not believe the refs are on purpose helping one team or the other. Coaches and players if falls on them, don't depend on the refs to help you win
Refs are human. That presents several potential problems.
---they can get caught up in the emotions of a crowd. You often do see this as calls become exaggerated as the emotional intensity rises.
---they are susceptible to the power of persuasion
-----they may, as a result, call what they think they saw rather than what they -----saw. I think OU's Stacy King was a victim of this when the officials simply -----didn't believe that he could have blocked Danny Manning's shot. Manning -----was too good. This has also been a star-maker.
---this team is known for defense. Thus, it isn't really a foul, just good defense
---this person is awkward, likely to travel (others they never call it on)
---this team is a great rebounding team (they didn't really go over the back)
---they can get caught up in the emotions of a crowd. You often do see this as calls become exaggerated as the emotional intensity rises.
---they are susceptible to the power of persuasion
-----they may, as a result, call what they think they saw rather than what they -----saw. I think OU's Stacy King was a victim of this when the officials simply -----didn't believe that he could have blocked Danny Manning's shot. Manning -----was too good. This has also been a star-maker.
---this team is known for defense. Thus, it isn't really a foul, just good defense
---this person is awkward, likely to travel (others they never call it on)
---this team is a great rebounding team (they didn't really go over the back)
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No question refs are humans and to err is human. I do not see that as a problem. I consider it as an integral and important part of the game. A quality ref will make every effort to mentally prepare him/herself to avoid making your list of mistakes and call an even game. Most are reasonably successful but the home crowd will still have an impact even on officials and their calls. Hence the home crowd advantage label. I think the home court advantage is good for the game. It definitely an incentive for the crowd to become involved.
I consider ref mistakes as just part of the game and normally they balance out between the teams over the course of the game. The biggest variance in good call and a bad call is often in the eyes of the beholder. I am certain you could speak to a small group of KSU fans and they would identify at least a couple of bad calls that went against the wildcats and they would be right.
Talk to any player or coach that has significant experience at the D-I level and they will tell you that all they want from the refs is to consistently call the game the same from the start to the finish. Their position is they will adjust to how the game is called.
Probably the biggest mistake I see refs make is they call it loose the first half and tight the second half or vice versa. Also they can call the game consistently from the start but then in the last two minutes they put their whistles in their pocket. Players abhor it when the refs do this.
Rarely do the refs calls determine the outcome of a game and it did not last night. However I have to concur with Sherri when she says they were getting the ball inside to Vivi all night with her always getting double teamed and her going to the foul line only 1 time is strange. It is difficult to impossible to get Vivi the ball enough for her to take 15 shots and only have enough contact for her to get to the line only one time.
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I'm not saying the refs were bad or blaming them for our loss. They had nothing to do with it. I just noticed they were way more physical under the basket with us and getting away with it and Vivi picked up two fouls that were absolutely nothing.
We loss this game because we turned the ball over, couldn't rebound and didn't have enough girls hitting on all cylinders.
It's a tough loss that hurts our chances to host, but we still may achieve that.
Can't lose the next one, however. Can't lose three straight going into Big 12 and NCAA selections either.
We need to bounce big time on Saturday.
We loss this game because we turned the ball over, couldn't rebound and didn't have enough girls hitting on all cylinders.
It's a tough loss that hurts our chances to host, but we still may achieve that.
Can't lose the next one, however. Can't lose three straight going into Big 12 and NCAA selections either.
We need to bounce big time on Saturday.
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It helps to take the amount of effect that officials have if you play well. We didn't.
The old SWC, according to the Dallas Morning News, really had a problem with Texas and their influence over officials and conference authorities. Several different coaches from different schools complained about the breaks that Texas got. They did it 'off the record" since the conference prevented them from saying it on the record. Reporters still reported the remarks, just without specific attribution. I saw several of the things that they complained about, and I thought they happened in October in the Cotton Bowl. Some of the schools just wanted to get away from UT. Arkansas did. Later, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M did.
It did seem strange that the Big Eight basketball tournament was always won by one of the schools near Kansas City. Coaches thought so.
I do not appreciate the officials' failure to enforce the rules as defined by the NCAA which indicated that they wanted some of the rough play eliminated. That simply hasn't happened. If anything, some teams are doubling down on it. If you don't let Baylor crash the boards, do they beat Texas. Is what they do legal according to what the NCAA says it wants? K-State and OSU can be a little rough as they "crash the boards." I don't care if the post is 240, it her movements cause a 5-9 guard to be thrown out of the play, she probably didn't do it legally.
I want to see some sanity about charging/blocking. When people are running beside you shoulder to shoulder, how is it that they are "set?"
But, no, K-State should not have scored 20 at the line while we scored 5. Something was off.
The old SWC, according to the Dallas Morning News, really had a problem with Texas and their influence over officials and conference authorities. Several different coaches from different schools complained about the breaks that Texas got. They did it 'off the record" since the conference prevented them from saying it on the record. Reporters still reported the remarks, just without specific attribution. I saw several of the things that they complained about, and I thought they happened in October in the Cotton Bowl. Some of the schools just wanted to get away from UT. Arkansas did. Later, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M did.
It did seem strange that the Big Eight basketball tournament was always won by one of the schools near Kansas City. Coaches thought so.
I do not appreciate the officials' failure to enforce the rules as defined by the NCAA which indicated that they wanted some of the rough play eliminated. That simply hasn't happened. If anything, some teams are doubling down on it. If you don't let Baylor crash the boards, do they beat Texas. Is what they do legal according to what the NCAA says it wants? K-State and OSU can be a little rough as they "crash the boards." I don't care if the post is 240, it her movements cause a 5-9 guard to be thrown out of the play, she probably didn't do it legally.
I want to see some sanity about charging/blocking. When people are running beside you shoulder to shoulder, how is it that they are "set?"
But, no, K-State should not have scored 20 at the line while we scored 5. Something was off.
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I thought we lost it early, when we did NOT PLAY SMART. Fouled, stood and watched, bad passes, and hot KSU shooting put us in too big a hole. Maddie and T'Ona played needed minutes when they were not all the way back physically. Had heart and tried to get back in it, but poor rebounding, lack of movement, slow passing on passes inside and back out, and uneven energy was too much to overcome against a smart KSU team.
Refs were just normal big 12 poor refs.
Refs were just normal big 12 poor refs.
