OU-Vanderbilt Four Factors

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Offered from a visiting Vanderbilt fan in hopes it's useful. Would love to hear OU perspectives on these aspects of the matchup. All rankings from Bart Torvik.

VANDERBILT
Our team is rather mediocre at three of the Four Factors on both "sides of the ball": effective FG%, offensive rebound %, and free throw rate. A minor exception is offensive eFG% where we're 78th (8th SEC).

But that fourth factor... wow. We're 12th nationally in not committing turnovers (3rd SEC) and 14th in getting opponents to commit them (2nd SEC). Kentucky fans were left scratching their heads over what they called "unforced errors," but it's the cornerstone of Mark Byington's defense, not some unthinkable coincidence that opponents forget how to take care of the ball when they play us. (Notably Ole Miss is ahead of us on both sides.)

In short, if you get a shot off then we might give up a good one. But you'll have to work hard to get that shot.

OKLAHOMA
Oklahoma has one area where it excels (22nd offensive eFG%), two where it's good (70th offensive FTR, 71st defensive turnover rate), and then... is atrocious at rebounding. Technically it's defensive rebounding where they're atrocious (316th defensive OReb%) whereas they're merely bad on their own offensive glass (250th).

For perspective, that defensive rebound % is not only last in the SEC but would be 4th in the MEAC. It would be 10th in the OVC. At least on the offensive side they're 15th in the league ahead of the ubiquitous Ole Miss.

SYNTHESIS

So how do they match up? Heck if I know. Here's a guess.
  • If OU can get off a large number of shots, they will likely make a lot of them (weighted for 2 vs 3) and likely win.
  • There's a good chance VU can prevent that many shots, though.
  • Meanwhile one of OU's relative strengths (forcing turnovers) is neutralized by Vanderbilt's greater strength in not committing turnovers.
  • Rebounds are interesting. VU is famously undersized for the SEC (with our biggest player, USC transfer Kijani Wright, injured all season) but surprisingly strong. It's likely VU will get plenty of second and third shots to cover up for poor shooting on the road.
  • OU doesn't miss that much, but if they're cold then they won't get that many second shots.
You would expect overall #47 in efficiency to be favored at home over #38, and Oklahoma is by about 3 points. However through my black and gold glasses it does seem like matchups play a bit to VU's advantage, especially if they maintain their composure taking care of the ball.
 
Thanks for posting...good stuff! Our fan base is not in the best of moods right now after another tough loss. We know this upcoming game is truly a must-win if we have postseason aspirations.
 
Thanks. I'm not good at all scouting from the "eye test" so all I can do is draw on Pomeroy or Torvik to help me understand what I'm seeing. You could just as easily develop a counternarrative like this: OU is good at not turning over the ball so that negates pretty much all of VU's defense. Since OU takes care of the ball, they can take advantage of their eFG%. Vanderbilt isn't great at rebounding, probably not good enough to punish OU's glaring weakness.

See why matchups are tricky? :)
 
Excellent stuff. The turnover battle worries me. I noticed a few days ago that you guys don’t turn it over, and against teams with similar or greater talent, we aren’t as good at forcing turnovers. Meanwhile, we seem sloppy as can be at home.

Turnovers and rebounding are what determine which team ends up with more shots, and we almost always struggle in at least one of those areas.
 
This is one of 4 potential wins left on the schedule. I don’t see a path to 5+ wins which means no tourney. If we can’t win this one, it’s likely the team quits and it all goes in the tank. WTH is going on with fears? Is he quitting on the team?
 
This is one of 4 potential wins left on the schedule. I don’t see a path to 5+ wins which means no tourney. If we can’t win this one, it’s likely the team quits and it all goes in the tank. WTH is going on with fears? Is he quitting on the team?
I don't think he has quit. I remember posting at the beginning of the SEC portion of the schedule, he had his first few struggles, and I didn't like his body language. He's vey young and this might be the first time he has struggled as a player. With his talent, he probably has always dominated and never faced much adversity. He played so well early, we might have started expecting to much from him, being a freshman, playing much better competition, etc. It will be interesting to see if they can get him back on track.
 
This is one of 4 potential wins left on the schedule. I don’t see a path to 5+ wins which means no tourney. If we can’t win this one, it’s likely the team quits and it all goes in the tank. WTH is going on with fears? Is he quitting on the team?
He's young..should be a senior in HS this year. I don't think he's quit the team by any means, but yes...he has struggled at times in league play. His previous 3 games before Saturday, he had scored 16, 16 & 20. If anyone didn't think he'd have games like this, being as young as he is was fooling themselves.
 
This is one of 4 potential wins left on the schedule. I don’t see a path to 5+ wins which means no tourney. If we can’t win this one, it’s likely the team quits and it all goes in the tank. WTH is going on with fears? Is he quitting on the team?
Smh. Quit on his team? Dude is trying stay in the lottery and lead a team!

You think these guys just aren’t competitive? You think jalon, duke, Elvis guys on their last go round are just gonna lay down?

Jeeez.
 
Smh. Quit on his team? Dude is trying stay in the lottery and lead a team!

You think these guys just aren’t competitive? You think jalon, duke, Elvis guys on their last go round are just gonna lay down?

Jeeez.
Elvis is averaging less than one rebound in league play. I’d say he isn’t exactly kill it himself. No one is suggesting guys are throwing games or flat out don’t care, but there are different degrees of competing and playing hard. When was the last time you’ve watched an OU game and thought, man, that team absolutely busts their butts for 40 minutes on both ends of the floor? Do you think when opposing teams are getting ready to play us, their coaches are telling them, guys, this team plays as hard as anyone we will face this year, you better be ready for their intensity and effort?

I’d guess that when teams prep for us, they consider us very much a finesse team that can be dangerous if shots are falling and if Moore and Fears are rolling, but a pretty easy team to beat up physically. We don’t finish well, especially through contact. We don’t defend well. We don’t rebound worth a crap. We generally make a lot of mistakes in crunch time.

Watch an entire Houston or Iowa State game, or Tennessee. Even on tv, you can easily see how hard they play for 40 minutes. We aren’t close to that, and we haven’t been for years.
 
More matchup stats, provided by KenPom:

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I wonder how many wins we would add simply by erasing our 316th ranked "giving up O boards" stat...

Ive long theorized that it is the simplest/easiest way to increase wins in a year (2nd being hitting FTs). Blocking out is sooo easy and you can cheat if you are taught the right technique.. you grab the jersey and get tight up against them enough that no one can see = rebounds
 
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