Pledger's three....

[campbest]

Watching it live, it looked pretty clean.

However, the picture of the front of this very site shows that Smart got him with the body, and his (Smart's) forearm is laid across Pledger's forearm.

Probably should have been a foul.

Disagree, that thing got swallowed up...Pledger was fading back so he gave up his verticality. Terrible, terrible shot given the time and situation.

 

[schoonerdriver]

Yeah, there was contact, but I agree with Denver in that a player is not normally going to get that call when it looks like a forced, desperation shot. Had the shot come in the normal flow of the offense, and Pledger was spotted up, he probably does get the call.

It is easy for you to make that statment after the 2 non-contact fouls that went OSU's way at the end of regulation. The game was called very inconsistently. One minute its anything goes. The next, the refs are anticipating fouls.

 

[oSuJeff97]

It is easy for you to make that statment after the 2 non-contact fouls that went OSU's way at the end of regulation. The game was called very inconsistently. One minute its anything goes. The next, the refs are anticipating fouls.

Ummmm... Yeah.... Welcome to the Big 12. It's only been like this since...well... forever.

 

[JBaker]

The problem I have with a comment like this is that Smart got a call at the end of regulation where he just wildly fell and some how there was a foul called on Cam. If they are calling that a foul with 42 seconds left then they have to call the one on pledger's shot.

Let's call it what it was... OSU was at home and got the benefit of the doubt. It's probably better for the rivalry if the teams split the series.

OSU doesn't get that bull**** call on Clark, and the game is over, OU wins.
This one was more frustrating than the robbery in Fayetteville, where the refs also stole a game from OU in the final seconds, because that was a no-call, where as this was a made up call.

 

[schoonerdriver]

Ummmm... Yeah.... Welcome to the Big 12. It's only been like this since...well... forever.

So why are you trying to sell us the fact that it was a good no-call?

 

[Swans]

IF Pledger leans in, rather than falling away, he probably gets the call......but who really knows for sure. We made this game a lot closer than I thought we would.

 

[oSuJeff97]

So why are you trying to sell us the fact that it was a good no-call?

Ummm... Go re-read my post. I didn't say it was a "good no call." I said that, based on how the play unfolded, the shooter "usually doesn't get the call."

I wasn't commenting on whether or not it was "good", just what I would expect in that situation, from many years of watching Big 12 basketball.

 

[DenverSooner]

The problem I have with a comment like this is that Smart got a call at the end of regulation where he just wildly fell and some how there was a foul called on Cam. If they are calling that a foul with 42 seconds left then they have to call the one on pledger's shot.

Let's call it what it was... OSU was at home and got the benefit of the doubt. It's probably better for the rivalry if the teams split the series.

That is home court. I don't think officials mean to be influenced by the crowd but I think they are. The energy just seems to influence even the best officials.

 

[AdaSooner]

That is home court. I don't think officials mean to be influenced by the crowd but I think they are. The energy just seems to influence even the best officials.

Agreed. There are almost always a dozen or so calls and no calls in every game that could go either way. Good officials will never purposely give the home team an advantage by making a bad call. It's just that they get caught up in the excitement generated by the roar of the crowd, and subconsciously feel they are part of the action. The result is a call here and there for the home team. It's human nature.

There are exceptions, of course. Jim Bain calling games for Norm Stewart at Mizzou back in the day comes immediately to mind. Stormin' Norm had a decided homecourt advantage when ol' Jim was blowing the whistle. :ez-laugh:

 

[schoonerdriver]

Ummm... Go re-read my post. I didn't say it was a "good no call." I said that, based on how the play unfolded, the shooter "usually doesn't get the call."

I wasn't commenting on whether or not it was "good", just what I would expect in that situation, from many years of watching Big 12 basketball.

Ok, why are you trying to justify the no-call? :eddie187_jpg_xs:

 

[oSuJeff97]

Ok, why are you trying to justify the no-call? :eddie187_jpg_xs:

I'm honestly not trying to "justify" it. I'm just saying what I "expect" to see in that situation.

All I'm saying is that when you see a play unfold like that, when the offensive player is sort of heaving a desperation shot at the basket while almost falling out of bounds, that he's normally not going to get a foul call, unless he's just clobbered.

In this case, there was some contact, but he wasn't clobbered.

Just my opinion.

 

[Max Power]

I have to agree with Jeff on this one. If pledger Steps up and Shoots it upright he is shooting three free throws.

 

[schoonerdriver]

I'm honestly not trying to "justify" it. I'm just saying what I "expect" to see in that situation.

All I'm saying is that when you see a play unfold like that, when the offensive player is sort of heaving a desperation shot at the basket while almost falling out of bounds, that he's normally not going to get a foul call, unless he's just clobbered.

In this case, there was some contact, but he wasn't clobbered.

Just my opinion.

I don't understand this whole debate about fading away and somehow that negates the contact. This is simlar argument with people who don't 'refs deciding the game' by calling fouls towards the end of close games.

Let me ask this, does the picture on the frontpage change your mind at all?

 

[snydrosooner]

I don't understand this whole debate about fading away and somehow that negates the contact. This is simlar argument with people who don't 'refs deciding the game' by calling fouls towards the end of close games.

Let me ask this, does the picture on the frontpage change your mind at all?

And the fact that M'Baye Last foul was on a fade away with minimal contact on Smart. You would think smart was the leading returning scorer in the big 12 and not Pledger.

 

[skyvue]

And the fact that M'Baye Last foul was on a fade away with minimal contact on Smart. You would think smart was the leading returning scorer in the big 12 and not Pledger.

That call was absurd -- even terming it minimal contact is overstating it -- and after that minimal contact, Smart fell away nearly to the sideline before taking his shot. But of course they gave Smart, who is so gosh-darned talented he deserves special treatment, the +1, even though the "foul" came WAY before the shot.

And though M'Baye wasn't having his best game, his presence in the paint was sorely missed the rest of the way. Nash scored a good chunk of his points after M'Baye's departure.

And the bogus "foul" that was called on Cam when Smart took a tumble truly was a backbreaker. We'd gotten a stop and would have had the lead and the ball. Instead, the very special Mr. Smart was, once again, shooting free throws.

 

[pnkranger]

I totally agree about the call on Clark. Smart was out of control and fell to the floor. That was a basketball play by both players and shouldn't have been penalized.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

There are exceptions, of course. Jim Bain calling games for Norm Stewart at Mizzou back in the day comes immediately to mind. Stormin' Norm had a decided homecourt advantage when ol' Jim was blowing the whistle. :ez-laugh:

The other, "Boomer". Between him and :ed with KU I swore they used to travel with the team.

 

[Big Old Booger]

The other, "Boomer". Between him and :ed with KU I swore they used to travel with the team.

Don't forget Stanley Reynolds! At one point, we were 0-31 in road games in which he officiated and I don't think we ever won one before he retired.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

Don't forget Stanley Reynolds! At one point, we were 0-31 in road games in which he officiated and I don't think we ever won one before he retired.

I forgot about him.

 

[NMSooner'80]

Don't forget Stanley Reynolds! At one point, we were 0-31 in road games in which he officiated and I don't think we ever won one before he retired.

I think Reynolds T-ed up Billy Tubbs in every game he "officiated" when OU was involved. Bain (pro-Mizzou) and Hightower (pro-KU, as were most of the Big 8 zebras) also deserve their own trips down the Walk of Shame.