Porter to.........Villanova???

skyvue said:
Is it not possible the light just came on for Wague late in the season? It happens sometimes. And I think Sam going down may have played a role in it. How many times have we seen a backup--or even an entire team--pick up their game when a star (or even a starter, as in this instance) goes down? I've seen it countless times--and in every sport. The spotlight is on you, your team needs you, it's crunch time (in this instance) and you up your game. It's not at all uncommon.
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Yes, it could be the case absolutely.
 
WTSooner said:
If Hamm is an OU sports fan, they should get him to donate $1B to NIL.

Tell him they'll never ask him for another dime. Give him naming rights. A suite for life. Tickets. Full access to the program. Give him some control or say in the Petroleum Engineering College. Pretty much everything short of renaming the entire University after him.

Interest/earnings on $1B at 5% would be $50M per year. Think that would fund some stuff?

$1B too big of an ask? Even $250M would return $12.5M per year in earnings.

I've never heard of Hamm being a big OU fan though. Maybe he is and I'm just not aware. He didn't go to OU and already has his own Graduate School, so he may not care enough to be involved.

That's what OU needs though. A few really big contributions that become athletic or NIL specific endowments.
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I would love for you to be right, but that’s asking a lot (1 billion dollars). If someone pulls this off, build them a statue
 
MJSooner said:
Agreed.

But as far as the statue, we can't even get a statue of the greatest basketball player in OU history that basically helped create modern OU basketball.
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I honestly think that Joe C is a good AD and will go down as a great. I think he is/was late to adjust to NIL and that the next couple of years will tell if he has adapted or not. I think his absolute neglect of basketball is pretty evident and I hope that the next guy at least treats it as one of the big three at Ou (Football, Softball, and Basketball)
 
Joe C may have found over the years that the support for basketball among the donors--the BMDs in particular--just isn't there. Sometimes you can pound your head against the wall for years but if nothing changes, you have to change your focus. None of us hoops fans wants to hear that (and I'm not saying it's true--I have no idea. I suspect none of us does). But there are only so many hours in a day and years in a career, and if he found that the BMDs just wouldn't give it up for basketball, he'd have little choice but to focus elsewhere. It's easy to say he just hasn't tried, but is there anyone among us who knows firsthand? Is anyone on this board a BMD (I'm certainly not) who might have expected to hear from him, but hasn't?
 
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The_Banker said:


lol probably not a coincidence with Chavez in attendance. Interesting to see Porters reaction if they write a check.
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Just realized who Chavez is. The #1 women's hoops recruit in the country.

He's never given to athletics before, but it'd be awesome if Harold Hamm started writing NIL checks.
 
WTSooner said:
If Hamm is an OU sports fan, they should get him to donate $1B to NIL.

Tell him they'll never ask him for another dime. Give him naming rights. A suite for life. Tickets. Full access to the program. Give him some control or say in the Petroleum Engineering College. Pretty much everything short of renaming the entire University after him.

Interest/earnings on $1B at 5% would be $50M per year. Think that would fund some stuff?

$1B too big of an ask? Even $250M would return $12.5M per year in earnings.

I've never heard of Hamm being a big OU fan though. Maybe he is and I'm just not aware. He didn't go to OU and already has his own Graduate School, so he may not care enough to be involved.

That's what OU needs though. A few really big contributions that become athletic or NIL specific endowments.
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I like your way of thinking. We should fund an endowment that’s invested wisely and grows every year…to fund NIL, among other things.
 
SoonerMagic21 said:
I honestly think that Joe C is a good AD and will go down as a great. I think he is/was late to adjust to NIL and that the next couple of years will tell if he has adapted or not. I think his absolute neglect of basketball is pretty evident and I hope that the next guy at least treats it as one of the big three at Ou (Football, Softball, and Basketball)
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Uh. Baseball needs the love, too.
 
hoopsaustin said:
The bmd guy i know is begging to do this very thing but it's red tape everywhere with the jokers in charge
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I'm not saying you are wrong, but that seems weird to me.

Every university in the country probably has hundreds of millions in endowments, but obviously those are related to running the academic side of those universities. Not sure why anybody would have an issue with starting one specific to sports. Having typed that, I'd guess some already exist. Over-simplified, but all an endowment really is is a permanently restricted donor contribution. Surely somebody has donated to athletics over our history and said hey, don't touch the corpus, but you can spend the earnings on OU athletics.

If there is any push back, I'd guess it's that OU needs the funds now. Short-sighted, but that could simply mean we haven't gotten that contribution large enough to stick it away for the future.
 
hoopsaustin said:
The bmd guy i know is begging to do this very thing but it's red tape everywhere with the jokers in charge
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Not surprising with this athletic admin in charge.

Beating a dead horse but he's living in college sports of the 90s and early 2000s.

It's changed. The rules have changed. The courts have got involved. The NCAA is no longer a 2000 lb. gorilla. Athletes have been winning every battle against the NCAA and prohibitive rules. States are enacting laws to power institutions. Money is now part of college sports, and its okay- not a rules violation.

Not saying to go rogue but at least be proactive and not reactive. We need to wake up and manage the athletic department in today's world.
 
hoopsaustin said:
The bmd guy i know is begging to do this very thing but it's red tape everywhere with the jokers in charge
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Harvard does this. Lots of elite universities do this. Maybe we should clear out the obstacles that can’t see what’s coming. The days of short sighted leaders should be over. We need better leaders that know the terrain and what it takes to succeed with our resources.
 
WTSooner said:
I'm not saying you are wrong, but that seems weird to me.

Every university in the country probably has hundreds of millions in endowments, but obviously those are related to running the academic side of those universities. Not sure why anybody would have an issue with starting one specific to sports. Having typed that, I'd guess some already exist. Over-simplified, but all an endowment really is is a permanently restricted donor contribution. Surely somebody has donated to athletics over our history and said hey, don't touch the corpus, but you can spend the earnings on OU athletics.

If there is any push back, I'd guess it's that OU needs the funds now. Short-sighted, but that could simply mean we haven't gotten that contribution large enough to stick it away for the future.
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I'm dumbing it down a little bit about what he said but essentially he's frustrated that the things he's wanting to do aren't happening. He wants interest to be working for us and it's not yet
 
MJSooner said:
Not surprising with this athletic admin in charge.

Beating a dead horse but he's living in college sports of the 90s and early 2000s.

It's changed. The rules have changed. The courts have got involved. The NCAA is no longer a 2000 lb. gorilla. Athletes have been winning every battle against the NCAA and prohibitive rules. States are enacting laws to power institutions. Money is now part of college sports, and its okay- not a rules violation.

Not saying to go rogue but at least be proactive and not reactive. We need to wake up and manage the athletic department in today's world.
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That's the other thing he is worn about. We are all reactive. A whole lot of: we get a player on the board we want, THEN we go and pitch to donors for THAT guy. He wants money in the bank now generally to be used
 
colston15 said:
Player development under Moser has been pretty good.

Jalon Moore was a castoff from Georgia Tech and became a very solid player here. Same goes for Soares, Wague, etc.

There are better coaches, but your absolutist stance against Moser sometimes belies reality.
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You named three guys in four seasons, and the only reason one of them played the last two weeks is because of an injury to the guy Moser refused to bench for reasons known only to him. I won’t give him credit for benching Wague for three months and then playing him by necessity. I’ve explicitly given him credit for Moore and Soares about 100 times, but apparently you’re so determined to fabricate my positions that you ignore that.

Meanwhile, the number of guys who haven’t improved, or have actually gotten worse, is much longer, not to mention the talented players who never saw the floor under him and went on to be solid players elsewhere. So I’m struggling to see how he gets a positive mark for player development.
 
hoopsaustin said:
The bmd guy i know is begging to do this very thing but it's red tape everywhere with the jokers in charge
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Probably because the NIL is supposed to be an actual “business expense” like advertising, and not a scholarship. I imagine if the BMD’s pooled their money into a fund without the school being involved they could get around any of the red tape. It is frustrating that the school isn’t able to endow anything to NIL, I know that would simplify everything.

I have heard Tim Headington is kind of the head of the BMD group. I wonder if his people could make some type of fund for the rest to chip in to. And have a liaison between the AD and the account to put it at arms length.
 
According to some people on Trilly's discord... it is either Willard or Moser for Nova and if it is Moser, we should hear something before Tuesday. If we don't hear anything and Maryland wins today, that means it is Kevin Willard
 
austing7 said:
According to some people on Trilly's discord... it is either Willard or Moser for Nova and if it is Moser, we should hear something before Tuesday. If we don't hear anything and Maryland wins today, that means it is Kevin Willard
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With McCollum, Wade and Odom going elsewhere, Moser leaving now would be catastrophic.

We might really end up with a Crutchfield or someone similar.
 
austing7 said:
According to some people on Trilly's discord... it is either Willard or Moser for Nova and if it is Moser, we should hear something before Tuesday. If we don't hear anything and Maryland wins today, that means it is Kevin Willard
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Was coming here to post this, seems to be the theme across all the Nova discord.

Ross Hodge was brought up by Trilly as a, "must call" for OU if Moser leaves.

(also mentioned Kellen Sampson, but I will just attribute that to him being 10000% s***faced at noon on a Sunday)
 
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