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Not how I remember it.
There was talk of OU backing of Clark before he ever released a list that didn't include OU.
Probably a sore subject, but....
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Not how I remember it.
There was talk of OU backing of Clark before he ever released a list that didn't include OU.
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http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25946&page=6
I suggest you go read that thread.
There was no talk of Stevie or Kruger 'backing' off before Stevie released his top 5.
In fact, alot of OU fans thought Stevie meant OU and not Oklahoma State.
Guess they were wrong...
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There are so many myths and made-up legends about the recruitment of high school kids.
Methinks that those that combine OSU and $$$ in the same sentence are getting close to the truth. All the rest is window dressing.
Methinks that those that combine OSU and $$$ in the same sentence are getting close to the truth. All the rest is window dressing.
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Can't handle the truth?
I guess facepalms are better than claiming everyone else is a cheater. This coming from a program that's had one of the most corrupt basketball programs in the last 10 years. Sounds about right
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1st part of this, I dont know, so you can be "right" there...
2nd and Bold part. You are 100% wrong. OU wanted woodard 1st and foremost, end of story, the end, bye bye, etc anyway you want to say it.
OU only offered for face value, they KNEW he wasnt interested in coming to OU. Sometimes those offers are put out there so you can say "hey we offered"
The family couldn't seem to be responsible in keeping commitments. LK doesn't play those games and told him they weren't recruiting him any longer. A list without OU on it immediately came out in the paper.
Who knows if Travis is helping the family or not. When he went to Vegas a whole bunch of red lights went up. OSU was afraid they wouldn't be able to be discreet in their dealings with the family.
Who knows if Travis is helping the family or not. When he went to Vegas a whole bunch of red lights went up. OSU was afraid they wouldn't be able to be discreet in their dealings with the family.
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That may the case but Kruger had visited with Clarks mom in early June. James Hale was reporting Clark was very interested in OU.
Mid June Clark says his top 5 that doesn't include OU and from then on the focus was on Woodward for OU where he then committed in August to OU.
But hey, I don't think OSU even went after Woodward. I do know that Travis Jorgenson was OSU's backup to Stevie Clark.
I don't follow OU recruiting enough to know who was their priority. My guess is that they would have taken both given the opportunity and their need for PG's as the other 3 freshman guards you have on your roster now are not true PG's. They are all wings/slashers at heart.
I'm happy with Clark rather than Woodward as an OSU fan because he can shoot it and stretch the defense which is what we really need. We lack good outside shooters.
That doesn't mean Woodward is bad or that he won't have a good career...he's a great player in his own right.
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Far from it. Yes we've had problems. All 'minor" havent been banned from postseason, non-conf games etc.
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I trust about 200 more people about OU basketball than James Hale. Just FYI
Hey Im not taking anything away from Stevie, Ive seen him play he will be a good one for OSU. He is real good.
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Watch out man, the world is out to get you!
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Many OU fans on here were referencing him from what I remember.
vbdad(sp?) is the dude that originated the whole 'Kruger backed off because he didn't want to play games and OSU was willing to pay" crap.
I'll find the thread with the comments. Ever since then, it's been sour grapes rehearsing that comment
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Ok, they've had one of the most corrupt coaches...I think IU fans agree.
My point was that it's very ironic to hear it from OU bball fans about potential cheating on a recruit OU lost out on when they've experienced cheating first hand several years ago.
either way, seems like sour grapes to me.
There's been to many mediocre recruits Ford has lost out on to mediocre schools for me to think he cheats.
Nash is aau guy in dallas where Ford has connections + Nash is cousin of Byron.
Smart and forte were combo and Ford was one of only a few to solely recruit Forte by himself.
Other than those two guys - Ford hasn't landed to many guys out of the ordinary.
If all of a sudden Ford had Scott Drew level recruiting with several 5*'s in one year, consistent 4* guys, and top 10 juco trxers....I'd might buy into it but I just dont see it one bit
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This is not accurate. Kelvin Sampson got in trouble for too many contacts. The OU compliance office noticed the contacts and notified the NCAA. The NCAA told OU to not notify Sampson so they could monitor the situation. The NCAA allowed Sampson to continue his misinterpretation of the rules(and effectively prohibited OU from correcting the situation) for several years. The NCAA then came out and said OU had hundreds of improper contacts. What they didn't say is it was reported and amounted to about 1 improper contact per week per coach over the years in question. It also did not say that the contacts were extremely short.
What happened was Sampson took the position that a call to a player where the kid says, Coach I am busy can you call back in X minutes didn't count. Why he took that position I don't know but I also don't think it is so outrageous to call him one of the most corrupt coaches in America. (It isn't like he was urinating on grade schools or smashing his car into people in the middle of the day while he was drunk.)
Sampson was pissed about the way it was handled. He was indignant and would not apologize for his actions. He insisted he did nothing wrong. Boren and Joe C were not happy with his stance. As a result, OU and Sampson parted ways.
I get why Sampson was pissed. I am sure he felt like OU let him get shafted by the NCAA. I don't get why Sampson didn't swallow his pride and simply say I am sorry. It is absurd to suggest he was one of the most corrupt coaches in America.
FYI - The NCAA has changed its rules so today what they accused Sampson of doing wouldn't even be a violation. Obviously the NCAA does not believe a few telephone calls makes a coach corrupt or they would not have changed the rules.
I have no idea what happened at Indiana. I really didn't care then and I don't care now. Sampson was no longer associated with OU and had little more than a passing interest in his career once he left OU. With that said, I am not one to jump on the side of the NCAA. That organization has proven to be vindictive towards anyone with the gumption to challenge it on any issue. The NCAA has broad, sweeping powers with virtually no oversight. Most Americans believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely. I would argue that classic line has some application to the NCAA.
OSU did recruit Woodard originally, but burned that bridge with the family when Ford and others lied to the older brother. From that moment on there was no interest from either side until right before signing when I was told that OSU contacted family to gauge his interest in switching. There was none, and The rest is history.
To be honest, both players are going to places that will be better for them. OSU wants a high volume shooter, with defense optional. Clark is not a great defender, but he does shoot it better than Woodard. Woodard on the other hand is a true pg that can run a team, defend, and is physically further advanced as an athlete. Both coaches got what they wanted, and I believe both players did as well.
To be honest, both players are going to places that will be better for them. OSU wants a high volume shooter, with defense optional. Clark is not a great defender, but he does shoot it better than Woodard. Woodard on the other hand is a true pg that can run a team, defend, and is physically further advanced as an athlete. Both coaches got what they wanted, and I believe both players did as well.
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The problem is, Clark released any number of top fives, and while OU, mistakenly or not, might not have been on that one, we were on others that followed that one.
Which kind of spoils your whole gotcha.
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What is more corrupt: paying players, family, & AAU coaches or making too many phone calls and texts? What Sampson did was wrong but what he did is also now within the rules. Just because Baylor, osu, etc are getting away with buying players doesn't make them any less corrupt.
If you have evidence OSU or Baylor is cheating, then turn them in. The NCAA set up camp in Waco a while back and didn't find players being paid.
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Didnt PJIII come out and say he got paid? Someone did, but nothing ever came about.
That may have happened, but I didn't see it. I would be interested to see a link if anyone has one. I remember the the NCAA setting up camp in Waco, but I didn't remember anything big coming out of it. I just get tired of all fan bases assuming a player was paid just because they chose a different school.
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I honestly don't think the players at OSU are getting paid. But I have heard rumors about extra benifits such as clothes and food from a reliable source that works for OSU. But that is hard to manage and I am sure it happens more often they we think. I mean, whats a free hamburger at 5 guys or eskimo Joes?
