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[NickZepp]

I think most people thought we wouldn't follow it up with a complete dud of a game. Now all the last game was a double digit loss.

 

[Seymore Cox]

So then why was moral victory the theme around here yesterday?
I don't think it's the time to be slamming rivals program.
OU basketball needs to get better fast.

kstate is playin.

 

[StatGeek]

So then why was moral victory the theme around here yesterday?
I don't think it's the time to be slamming rivals program.
OU basketball needs to get better fast.

OU basketball does need to get better fast, but you acting like the mindset of the OU basketball program should be lower than that of cellar dwelling football programs is ridiculous, IMO.

If you want to call out fans of the program for trying to stay positive that's fine, but for the actual players, coaches, etc. the moral victory mindset is unacceptable.

 

[NickZepp]

OU basketball does need to get better fast, but you acting like the mindset of the OU basketball program should be lower than that of cellar dwelling football programs is ridiculous, IMO.

If you want to call out fans of the program for trying to stay positive that's fine, but for the actual players, coaches, etc. the moral victory mindset is unacceptable.

Moral victories are fine if they actually work. In other words the team learns from the game and plays better.

 

[StatGeek]

Moral victories are fine if they actually work. In other words the team learns from the game and plays better.

And how does a moral victory "work"?

 

[NickZepp]

What I'm saying is if you learn something from the game and basically use it to motivate for the future and make the team better.

 

[StatGeek]

What I'm saying is if you learn something from the game and basically use it to motivate for the future and make the team better.

so what you are saying is learn from the loss; not the moral victory. Gotcha!

 

[Dem Coltz]

And how does a moral victory "work"?

If it serves as a catalyst for the team's future progress. If a team wasn't playing well or wasn't expecting to be very good, but played a superior opponent and had success, they might start to believe in themselves and would carry this belief into future games. This new-found self-esteem would lead to confidence, and confidence would lead to more success. That success would lead to more confidence and so on. Even though we lost yesterday, it was to the #9 team in the country Kentucky and we played much better than most expected, and probably our players themselves.

You don't have to win a game to feel good about some of the things that happened in that game. The goal is always to win, but playing well against a heavyweight could have given us a mental edge for when we played average teams. That didn't happen today. A moral victory works if you learn something about yourself in a loss that helps you win future games.

 

[Cheno]

OU basketball does need to get better fast, but you acting like the mindset of the OU basketball program should be lower than that of cellar dwelling football programs is ridiculous, IMO.

OSU is not a "cellar dwelling football program". As much as some here may want them to be they are not. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

 

[Max Power]

OSU is not a "cellar dwelling football program". As much as some here may want them to be they are not. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

Recently no they are not... historically yes they are. It depends on how you want to look at it. Even Cellar Dwelling programs have a good year every now and then. hell Baylor is having one right now. they are still historically cellar dwellers

 

[StatGeek]

OSU is not a "cellar dwelling football program". As much as some here may want them to be they are not. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

what year would you like me to start listing their W-L record?

in the history of the sport OSU win% is 79th in the country placing them in the same neighborhood as such perennial powers as:

76. Vanderbilt
77. Baylor
78. Washington State
79. Oklahoma State
80. Duke
81. Utah State

Your right, it is a total mischaracterization.

 

[Sam]

This is their first 10 win season since the 80s right?
They haven't won a conference title since 1976 (split by the way, 48 for the last outright) if that isn't cellar dwelling what is?
They have had a good run in recent years but they're still not good historically. The all time record is 500-515-48 for the Pokes. Not sure your point here Cheno, their football program isn't very good over the long run, that can't be denied, they're more or less a cellar dweller historically when compared to fellow Big 12 schools.

 

[Max Power]

This is their first 10 win season since the 80s right?
They haven't won a conference title since 1976 (split by the way, 48 for the last outright) if that isn't cellar dwelling what is?
They have had a good run in recent years but they're still not good historically. The all time record is 500-515-48 for the Pokes. Not sure your point here Cheno, their football program isn't very good over the long run, that can't be denied, they're more or less a cellar dweller historically when compared to fellow Big 12 schools.

first 10 win season ever

 

[Dem Coltz]

so what you are saying is learn from the loss; not the moral victory. Gotcha!

I feel stupid for answering StatGeek's question seriously now. No, you don't get it, because it seems you're being deliberately thick-headed about the semantics of the phrase "moral victory." A loss and a moral victory are the same thing. "Moral victory" is a metaphor for "a game which one team loses but achieves a moral gain." Like if a poor team loses to a good team in a close game, then plays better in the future because they now have confidence they can play well against good teams. NickZepp is saying yesterday could have been a moral victory, but you can't grasp that someone could use the word "victory" in describing a loss. That's the magic of metaphors my friend. If I said someone is as dumb as a rock, I don't literally mean a rock can speak or do math as well as that person. Although I haven't met everyone on OUHoops to rule that out.

 

[StatGeek]

I feel stupid for answering StatGeek's question seriously now. No, you don't get it, because it seems you're being deliberately thick-headed about the semantics of the phrase "moral victory." A loss and a moral victory are the same thing. "Moral victory" is a metaphor for "a game which one team loses but achieves a moral gain." Like if a poor team loses to a good team in a close game, then plays better in the future because they now have confidence they can play well against good teams. NickZepp is saying yesterday could have been a moral victory, but you can't grasp that someone could use the word "victory" in describing a loss. That's the magic of metaphors my friend. If I said someone is as dumb as a rock, I don't literally mean a rock can speak or do math as well as that person. Although I haven't met everyone on OUHoops to rule that out.

I appreciate your sincere attempt to answer the question, even if I don't understand why you would think that I truly don't understand the concept of a moral victory or metaphors? I think you might want to think more critically about the entirety of my position.

Should I define facetious?

 

[skyvue]

Cheno's a KU fan. Of course, he overrates the significance of a decent football season or two.

oswho is having a good season in a down year in the Big 12 South. If I were an aggie, I'd be loving it, and why not? But let's not go crazy. They beat a lousy texas team, squeaked by a decent A&M squad at home before they'd found their mojo, and beat a lousy Tech team.

They've played two ranked teams, both at home. They lost to then-#16 NU and beat then-#21 Baylor soundly.

Their road games have been at Louisiana-Lafayette, at Tech, at KSU, at UT during their worst season in two decades, and at KU.

Again, oswho fans can be as excited as they wish, and I don't begrudge them. But informed college football fans should recognize oswho's season for what it is.

The 2000 Sooners, they are not.

And even if the 2010 aggies were God's gift to college football, that doesn't erase 100+ years of mediocrity (and that's being kind). Cheno, as a KU fan, wouldn't understand that.

 

[Dem Coltz]

I appreciate your sincere attempt to answer the question, even if I don't understand why you would think that I truly don't understand the concept of a moral victory or metaphors? I think you might want to think more critically about the entirety of my position.

Should I define facetious?

Should I define obtuse?

I realize you weren't really asking how moral victories work. You were being a smart-a**. NickZepp was earnestly contending that yesterday could have been a moral victory, and you mocked his posts. I agree with him, and gave my reasons why. If you don't feel that a moral victory can benefit a team then I think you're wrong. I've seen it first hand. You're right no one should be satisfied with moral victories. No one should be satisfied in anything though, like Wooden said. "Remember this your lifetime through, tomorrow there'll be more to do. And failure waits for those who stay, with some success made yesterday."

 

[hoopsaustin]

OSU is not a "cellar dwelling football program". As much as some here may want them to be they are not. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

I believe all time They have a losing record so ya.... They sure are a quality tradtion

 

[Shooterms]

Cheno's a KU fan. Of course, he overrates the significance of a decent football season or two.

oswho is having a good season in a down year in the Big 12 South. If I were an aggie, I'd be loving it, and why not? But let's not go crazy. They beat a lousy texas team, squeaked by a decent A&M squad at home before they'd found their mojo, and beat a lousy Tech team.

They've played two ranked teams, both at home. They lost to then-#16 NU and beat then-#21 Baylor soundly.

Their road games have been at Louisiana-Lafayette, at Tech, at KSU, at UT during their worst season in two decades, and at KU.

Again, oswho fans can be as excited as they wish, and I don't begrudge them. But informed college football fans should recognize oswho's season for what it is.

The 2000 Sooners, they are not.

And even if the 2010 aggies were God's gift to college football, that doesn't erase 100+ years of mediocrity (and that's being kind). Cheno, as a KU fan, wouldn't understand that.

I'm pretty good with words, and I can't even begin to say strong words about how great this post is.

 

[WaymanFan]

OSU is not a "cellar dwelling football program". As much as some here may want them to be they are not. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

Cheno, I know this is a back-handed compliment, but you're a very knowledgeble basketball poster so please stick with that. I think their lifetime record against OU is 16-80 and were nothing better than "mediocre" for an entire century. They're not anywhere near the equivalent of OU basketball unless OU basketball plays like this for another decade or two.

As for Coach Capel's comments, I'm with the majority. If he sensed ahead of time that the team would be complacent following their "moral victory" over Kentucky, it was up to him to put a screeching halt to that mentality. There was no excuse for OU to play that poorly against Virginia. They're simply not good enough to "not be ready" to play a game.