Rank the Big 12 coaches (including Tubby)

[oSuJeff97]

They are the flagship university of one of the most fertile recruiting states in the country.

Not to mention mountains of cash and being located in one of the best cities in the country.

 

[Smash Williams]

I incorrectly thought or assumed Valaparasio was in the northeast. To me it is even less likely that someone from the northeast could move to Central Texas and recruit at a high level because they speak differently. When we travel to the northeast they think we speak funny. When they travel to Oklahoma or Texas we think they speak funny. I think that difference would make it even more difficult to recruit. Generally people are must comfortable with a person that is similar to them.

A coach's ability to relate with and connect to a recruit isn't dictated by his accent; at most, it's a miniscule factor. Jim Calhoun has a thick Boston accent, yet he recruited a bunch of kids from Texas as well as other parts of the country where his accent sticks out like a sore thumb. If accent mattered, Rick Pitino wouldn't have two national championships and numerous Final Four appearances, built largely on the backs of blue-chippers from across the country. Salesmanship and charisma transcend something as minor as a coach's accent.

I learned today it is in Indiana but I really don't think that changes much. He is still likely going to have a regional accent that is noticable to a person in Texas and he still probably lacked a strong local network when he first came to Texas.

Scott Drew has been coaching in the Big 12 for a decade, and you're talking about his accent in hypothetical terms. If he had a distinctive accent, don't you think you would've noticed it by now?

Drew didn't have strong local ties when he arrived at Baylor, which is a legitimate concern any time you're hiring a new coach; however, as usually happens in such situations, he hired assistants that did.

I don't think Drew runs a squeaky-clean program, but it's not because he's a "Yankee" with a thick accent.

 

[bocabull]

I think it's safe to say that anyone who uses the term "yankee" as an insult doesn't have an opinion worth considering anyway.

You nailed it.

I incorrectly thought or assumed Valaparasio was in the northeast. To me it is even less likely that someone from the northeast could move to Central Texas and recruit at a high level because they speak differently. When we travel to the northeast they think we speak funny. When they travel to Oklahoma or Texas we think they speak funny. I think that difference would make it even more difficult to recruit. Generally people are must comfortable with a person that is similar to them.

I learned today it is in Indiana but I really don't think that changes much. He is still likely going to have a regional accent that is noticable to a person in Texas and he still probably lacked a strong local network when he first came to Texas.

I call him goofy based on his sloppy appearance during games along with his theatrics. Compare Drew's game antics to Hoiberg and that difference is what I am calling goofy.

Sounds like a pre civil war southern billboard. Judging another person based on the ethnicity, origin or accent is as modern as crapping in a wooden building in the backyard.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Sounds like a pre civil war southern billboard. Judging another person based on the ethnicity, origin or accent is as modern as crapping in a wooden building in the backyard.

:ez-roll::ez-roll::ez-roll:

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[Big Old Booger]

Wining the NIT is like being the world's tallest midget. Big deal

:clap :ez-roll:

 

[Big Old Booger]

I dont base my list on what these guys did 10-20 years ago. My list is how I would rank these coaches RIGHT NOW. 10 years ago Tubby, Huggins, Kruger and Barnes would be higher than they are now.

My top 3 and bottom 3 were easy. 4-7 could be in any order.

1. Self - no doubter. In the NCAA tourney he is easily the best coach on this list.
2. Hoiberg - this guy has it going right now. If I were an ISU grad I would be in heaven.
3. Weber - That KSU roster was the weakest I can remember to win the big 12. Easy choice for coach of the year this year.
4. Huggins - teams are good every year. I dont like him but he even got this WVU team with no talent to compete. They just had no firepower.
5. Barnes - Was #2 on this list 2-3 years ago. But struggling big time right now.
6. Tubby - big name, will improve Tech the next few years. Wouldnt have minded if OU had hired him either of the last 2 chances they had.
7. Kruger - average recruiter, solid regular season coach, good guy, 0-3 in Big 12 tourney and NCAA tourney at OU. Lots of 1st round exits in NCAA lately in over career.
8. Johnson - Dont know much about him but I'd rather have him than Ford/Drew. =)
9. Ford - decent recruiter, bad coach. Runs off talented players non-stop. Just wasted his chance at a big year. Had good talent this year in a weak league and did nothing. He was 0 for 3 this year. Didnt win regular season title, didnt make it to finals in big 12 tourney and didnt do anything in NCAA tourney.
10. Drew - His miserable coaching negates his great recruiting/cheating.

So Hoiberg has advanced to 2 NCAA tournaments in 3 years and he's now the 2nd best coach in the conference? If I remember correctly, all of his good players are transfers most of which from D1 programs where they couldn't cut it.

I guess you forget he lost 3 games this year because he wouldn't foul the 3 point shooter before the he shot (forcing 2 free throws) and lost all 3 games?

He's young and charismatic and I'm as big a Hoiberg fan as anyone but you are deludsional if you think he's the 2nd best coach in the conference at this point. The proof in the pudding of his abilities will be if he can sustain it. Everyone thought Randy Ayers was all that and a bag of chips when he was at Ohio State and had them rolling. Then Jimmy Jackson and a few other studs graduated and 3 years later he was fired and tOSU was in the Big 10 cellar. The same for your boy Capel. Let's see if Hoiberg can sustain it before we crown him with all sorts of titles.

As for Weber, if it weren't for him inheriting the best talent in the country and underachieving with that talent by losing in the NC game he would be considered an average coach. He's a good X's and O's guy simply because he depends on tough defense, but I will be surprised if he's still in Manhattan in 5 years. His recruiting just isn't very good and to win in Manhattan you have to be a good recruiter or an extraordinary coach. He is neither, IMO.

As others have said, Barnes has one of the easiest jobs in the country. Great place to recruit to, best facilities money can buy, located in the capital of one of the best recruiting hotbeds, and he still underachieves. EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

 

[Max Power]

1) Bill Self
2) Tubby Smith
3) Bob Huggins
4) Lon Kruger
5) Fred Hoiberg
6) Travis Ford
7) Bruce Weber
8) Trent Johnson
9) Rick Barnes
10) Scott Drew

 

[HoHum]

9. Ford - decent recruiter, bad coach. Runs off talented players non-stop. Just wasted his chance at a big year. Had good talent this year in a weak league and did nothing. He was 0 for 3 this year. Didnt win regular season title, didnt make it to finals in big 12 tourney and didnt do anything in NCAA tourney.
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Ford obviously has had a huge retention problem, but what player that has left could be considered talented?

Malcoln Kirkland
Teeng Akol
Fred Gulley
Reger Dowell
Roger Franklin
Torin Walker
Jarred Shaw
Ray Penn

Besides Shaw (who had a very good season for Utah State this season) all of those guys are pretty underwhelming.

 

[DFWHoopster]

Scott Drew is a good coach. You don't stay employed for 10 years at a school (making over $2 million per year) unless you know what you are doing. Drew has won 144 games in the last 6 years (24 per year average). Only 3 NCAAs in that time span but last I checked the only coach in the conference to make the NCAAs every year in the last 5 was Bill Self.

Last time I checked recruiting is part of being a good coach. The best "coaches" are the best recruiters. Let's see Self win a championship with Texas Tech or TCU's roster and then I will be very impressed.

I would view the question from this angle, who would I choose to to lead a program today to win the most games the next 5 years.

1. Self
2. Hoiberg
3. Drew
4. Kruger
5. Ford
6. Weber
7. Barnes
8. Huggins
9. Smith
10. Johnson

 

[pnkranger]

Scott Drew is a good coach. You don't stay employed for 10 years at a school (making over $2 million per year) unless you know what you are doing. Drew has won 144 games in the last 6 years (24 per year average). Only 3 NCAAs in that time span but last I checked the only coach in the conference to make the NCAAs every year in the last 5 was Bill Self.

Last time I checked recruiting is part of being a good coach. The best "coaches" are the best recruiters. Let's see Self win a championship with Texas Tech or TCU's roster and then I will be very impressed.

I would view the question from this angle, who would I choose to to lead a program today to win the most games the next 5 years.

1. Self
2. Hoiberg
3. Drew
4. Kruger
5. Ford
6. Weber
7. Barnes
8. Huggins
9. Smith
10. Johnson

If the fact that you put Hoiberg and Drew 2 and 3 didn't ruin your credibility, you put the second best coach on the list #8. 719-279. His winning percentage is 73% over 31 years of college basketball. He's also made the Sweet Sixteen or better in 6 of those seasons. He's won 522 MORE games than Drew, while only losing 135 more games.

Hoiberg's winning percentage is 62% over 3 seasons, and he's never been past the "2nd" round.

Don't let this season fool you...Huggins has 30 previous years that speak to his credibility as a coach.

 

[pnkranger]

Ford obviously has had a huge retention problem, but what player that has left could be considered talented?

Malcoln Kirkland
Teeng Akol
Fred Gulley
Reger Dowell
Roger Franklin
Torin Walker
Jarred Shaw
Ray Penn

Besides Shaw (who had a very good season for Utah State this season) all of those guys are pretty underwhelming.

This is a terrible list of Big 12 Coaches.

 

[DFWHoopster]

I know Huggins and Barnes have great track records. I'm looking at it from a standpoint of who would you bet your future on? I've talked to high school coaches who would never send a kid to play for Huggins- he berates them continually in practice. Barnes is the same way. It is an old school style that got results for a long time. But as the kids have gotten more entitled and softer mentally, this style of coaching has become less effective. And we have all seen evidence to this: Gillespie, Rice, etc...

Hoiberg and Drew are under 44 years old. They already are arguably the best offensive coaches in the conference. I think they both have bright futures for the next 10 years.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Scott Drew is a good coach. You don't stay employed for 10 years at a school (making over $2 million per year) unless you know what you are doing.

Come on.

Drew is going to have tons of leeway at Baylor because of the circumstances when he first arrived. Baylor was one of the two worst programs in the league, and there was the Patrick Dennehey (sp?) situation.

I give Drew credit for bringing in talent and making Baylor relevant, but I have a hard time putting him at the top of the conference, in terms of "coaching."

Only 3 NCAAs in that time span but last I checked the only coach in the conference to make the NCAAs every year in the last 5 was Bill Self.

And here's where the problem is. With the level of talent he's been able to bring in to Baylor, there's no reason that he shouldn't have made the tournament all 5 years.

Baylor has been second only to Kansas, in terms of talent, and yet you flat out missed the tournament twice. This year's Baylor team is a great example.

 

[DFWHoopster]

Come on.

Drew is going to have tons of leeway at Baylor because of the circumstances when he first arrived. Baylor was one of the two worst programs in the league, and there was the Patrick Dennehey (sp?) situation.

I give Drew credit for bringing in talent and making Baylor relevant, but I have a hard time putting him at the top of the conference, in terms of "coaching."



And here's where the problem is. With the level of talent he's been able to bring in to Baylor, there's no reason that he shouldn't have made the tournament all 5 years.

Baylor has been second only to Kansas, in terms of talent, and yet you flat out missed the tournament twice. This year's Baylor team is a great example.

The talent you speak of is mostly skinny 6-8 to 7-0 3/4s that came to Baylor in large part because Drew sold the Ekpe Udoh story well.

The talent at the guard position hasn't been that great- Lace Dunn the only top 50 guy that they got. Compare that to OSU and it doesn't match up very well.

 

[bgrch1350]

Ford obviously has had a huge retention problem, but what player that has left could be considered talented?

Malcoln Kirkland
Teeng Akol
Fred Gulley
Reger Dowell
Roger Franklin
Torin Walker
Jarred Shaw
Ray Penn

Besides Shaw (who had a very good season for Utah State this season) all of those guys are pretty underwhelming.

Don't forget Martavious Adams and I. Thomas.

 

[DenverSooner]

Or the guard Capel was recruiting that left OSU. I suspect there are more.

 

[HoHum]

Don't forget Martavious Adams and I. Thomas.

Two more guys that weren't talented. I believe Adams got kicked off the team at Arkansas State, and Thomas wasn't much at all for Cinci.

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

Don't forget Martavious Adams and I. Thomas.

Martavious Adams was slower than Robert Allen at an all you can eat Buffett


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