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And not just for Baylor's run to the Sweet 16. This article talks about Drew calling a star player from Ohio University.

It also talks about a guy who recruits players for Central Florida. Hmmmm.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/ohios-cooper-has-seen-the-dark-side/

Ohio’s Cooper Has Seen the Dark Side
By PETE THAMEL

NASHVILLE — When players like Lehigh’s C.J. McCollum or Ohio’s D.J. Cooper put on a transcendent performance in the N.C.A.A. tournament, they are showered with adulation and publicity that is usually lacking for lower-profile programs.

But as Cooper found out after his freshman year at Ohio in 2010, there is also a dark side to stepping onto the national stage for the first time in the N.C.A.A. tournament. When asked if he had many coaches trying to lure him from Ohio after he scored 23 points in an upset of Georgetown in that year’s N.C.A.A. tournament, Cooper smiled.

“I was getting calls left and right,” he said. “I was getting some calls from different high-major schools and different people. I’m big on loyalty.”

Cooper stayed at Ohio and was an unusual modern recruit. He had interest from universities like Baylor, California and Wichita State but decided on Ohio because it recruited him the hardest.

Both Cooper and his high school coach, Brandon Thomas, declined to name the programs trying to poach him. Recruiting a player before he is released from his current program is against N.C.A.A. rules. Cooper’s mother, Dionne, identified Baylor Coach Scott Drew as someone who attempted to lure her son from Ohio.

“He wasn’t necessarily calling and saying, ‘Come on over,’ ” she said. “He would say: ‘Oh, this is great. I knew you could do it. The exposure you’re getting now, you’re not getting it in the MAC because you’re not on TV.’ He was really trying to sell to me. ‘We know you can do these things, but because of where you are, you’re not getting the attention you deserve.’ ” (Drew did not return a text message seeking comment.)

D.J. Cooper declined to comment when asked if Kenneth Caldwell, a Chicago-based runner for an agent, who admitted recruiting players for Central Florida and other programs, had reached out to him. Caldwell had a close relationship with Jerome Randle, the former Pac-10 player of the year at California who played with Cooper when he attended Hales Franciscan High School in Chicago. All Cooper would say about Caldwell is that he knew him.

Cooper played his senior year at Seton Academy in Illinois, where Thomas, a former Hales Franciscan assistant, said he could not believe the amount of poachers.

“I remember my phone ringing as I had an unsigned senior,” Thomas said. “I thought it was amazing. That was a side of the business I had never experienced, coaches trying to pry a guy away and pry him away from Ohio.”

And that is modern college basketball, where even the shining moments have a dark side.
 
The dude (Drew) stinks. I sure hope he gets caught, b/c it's tough to beat a team like Baylor that is put together without regards to recruiting rules.
 
If this happens at a public university, journalists would be looking through the phone records tomorrow. Drew's able to get away with a lot, though, because Baylor's a private school.
 
If this happens at a public university, journalists would be looking through the phone records tomorrow. Drew's able to get away with a lot, though, because Baylor's a private school.

Spare me. This sermon coming from you is ironic. Every major program in America tries to upgrade their roster each year. Haith was just accused of tampering with Khem Birch at Pitt in December. Short memory?

Jabari Brown and Keion Bell called up Haith because they have always dreamed of playing for him? I'm sure it went down like that.

The wording here makes Drew look bad but these kind of conversations go on every year with players at mid majors who are good enough to play on a high major team. Drew recruited Cooper coming out of high school so there was already a relationship there. If he didn't actually say "I want you at Baylor and you should transfer out" then there is no violation. Kudos to Cooper for staying loyal to his school. I can respect and appreciate that.

Drew denies this conversation happened by the way according to Thamel.
 
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The wording here makes Drew look bad but these kind of conversations go on every year with players at mid majors who are good enough to play on a high major team. Drew recruited Cooper coming out of high school so there was already a relationship there. If he didn't actually say "I want you at Baylor and you should transfer out" then there is no violation. Kudos to Cooper for staying loyal to his school. I can respect and appreciate that.

Drew denies this conversation happened by the way according to Thamel.

Come on, DFW, did you really expect him to fess up and admit he had violated a NCAA rule? Of course he denied it.

Pretend, for the moment, that you have no connection whatsoever with Baylor. Now, ask yourself two very important questions. Did Cooper's mother have any reason to lie about what was said? How about Scott Drew? Did he have a reason to deny the converation took place? You know the answers to those questions.

I have no idea if Drew is guilty? But by all appearances, he tried to slip in through the back door and steal a mid-major player Baylor missed out on, and he got caught. The way he did it by "cleverly" choosing his words in his conversation with Cooper's mother doesn't change a thing. Nor does his relationship with Cooper during the recruiting process. If he did it, he was wrong! End of story.
 
Spare me. This sermon coming from you is ironic. Every major program in America tries to upgrade their roster each year. Haith was just accused of tampering with Khem Birch at Pitt in December. Short memory?

Jabari Brown and Keion Bell called up Haith because they have always dreamed of playing for him? I'm sure it went down like that.

The wording here makes Drew look bad but these kind of conversations go on every year with players at mid majors who are good enough to play on a high major team. Drew recruited Cooper coming out of high school so there was already a relationship there. If he didn't actually say "I want you at Baylor and you should transfer out" then there is no violation. Kudos to Cooper for staying loyal to his school. I can respect and appreciate that.

Drew denies this conversation happened by the way according to Thamel.

I don't know if Haith ever contacted Birch or not. But I do know no one ever went on the record with the accusation, Birch never said he was considering Mizzou and MU never sought a release to recruit him. That's a bit different than a guy's mom essentially saying Drew was trying to convince him he needed to get out of the MAC.

Bell, Ross and Brown were all on the open market for at least a month before deciding on Mizzou. The fact that we had literally no one coming back at their positions probably had a lot to do with their interest in Mizzou. Both Ross and Bell left under circumstances that may not have been entirely in their control (Bell was suspended last year, and Auburn's coach suggested it was "mutual," which usually means the coach pushed him out). And as far as I know, there haven't been accusations from anyone (outside of you) that any tampering took place.

And no... Drew cannot call up a player at another school just to "talk."
 
Sawyer- link to article where Missouri denies tampering with Birch:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/29/missouri-denies-khem-birch-tampering-charge/

Ada- I have no issue with what you are saying. Drew denies he spoke to the player or the parents after the LOI was signed. I take him at his word. The mom is also now saying he didn't talk to them after the LOI was signed.

Cooper's AAU coach may have approached the subject to the family after talking with Drew. And then mom told Thamel that Baylor and Tennessee were trying to get Cooper to transfer. But regardless, parents and coaches are all now saying that this conversation never took place between Drew and the family after the LOI was signed.

http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/scott-drew-baylor-coach-on-inside-college-bas-91035
 
Ada- I have no issue with what you are saying. Drew denies he spoke to the player or the parents after the LOI was signed. I take him at his word. The mom is also now saying he didn't talk to them after the LOI was signed.

Cooper's AAU coach may have approached the subject to the family after talking with Drew. And then mom told Thamel that Baylor and Tennessee were trying to get Cooper to transfer. But regardless, parents and coaches are all now saying that this conversation never took place between Drew and the family after the LOI was signed.

http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/scott-drew-baylor-coach-on-inside-college-bas-91035

DFW, that sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. But I think we both know that coaches use go-betweens like AAU coaches and handlers to protect themselves. It's part of that "through the back door" approach I mentioned earlier, although in this case it appears that Drew may have gone through a third party instead of going on an indirect fishing expedition.

If so, I can't say I blame coaches for taking advantage of every loophole available to them. ADs do the same thing in putting out feelers in their search for new coaches.

If the NCAA wants it stopped, guess they'll have to add a few more volumes to their rules book. :facepalm
 
No offense DFW, I admit that Drew has brought the Baylor back from the dead and deserves credit for their success.

But there is too much smoke surrounding Drew for their not to be something to it. Maybe he is not doing anything worse than others are doing but it just smells bad to many fans from other schools.
 
Xavier is gonna zip 'em up

Xavier is a nightmare match-up for Baylor. They have a physical big (Frease) who could have a field day against Baylor's soft length. Baylor's best bet is to get that big boy running the court. That is how Baylor beat West Virginia and Killici/ Kevin Jones. Those guys killed Baylor on the blocks. But the Bears were able to get some easy transition buckets by beating those guys up court...

But if I was a betting man, I would take Xavier in this one.
 
Nothing worse than weak fans that are afraid to pick their own team to win.

Baylor should and will win this game. Xavier is a 10 seed. I had Baylor beating Duke. I am sure not going to hedge my bet now that Duke got upset.
 
Nothing worse than weak fans that are afraid to pick their own team to win.

Baylor should and will win this game. Xavier is a 10 seed. I had Baylor beating Duke. I am sure not going to hedge my bet now that Duke got upset.

If you watched 36 Baylor games this year, you would feel as I do. Just calling it like I see it. Baylor has struggled with teams that have a physical inside presence- Ratliffe at Missouri; Robinson/Withey- Kansas; White/Ejim- ISU; Henriquez/ Samuels- KSU. They beat a few teams with a physical front court- West Va; BYU; Mississippi State but they only won those games by a bucket in each instance on late game Pierre Jackson heroics.

They have no big body to bang with Frease. I just see it as a major achilles heel for them. They match up better with Kentucky than Xavier in my opinion.
 
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