Oklahoma in Conference (TE4T numbers edition)

[TEvans4Three]

Always comes back to complaining about the refs.

He shoots 6 FTs a game. That is a ton in college basketball. By comparison, Arky's stud frosh PG attempts 3.6 per game. Auburn's freshman guard attempts 1.6 per game. Refs must HATE those teams.

Holy cherry-picking batman.
(I say cherry-pick, bc you very adamantly talk about in conference play a lot, and this time you cited season total rather than in conference to make your point look better)

Mark Sears (9.3), Adou Thiero (7.0). (Did you just want to look at freshman guards?)

To your address point, Jeremiah Fears is at (4.3) in conference. Boogie Fland (3.3), Tahaad Pettiford (4.0).

Fears is the leader on the Sooners at 4.3 FTA in conference.

Shall we look at the other players you brought up on their team:

Arkansas: Thiero (7.0), Wagner (4.0), Aidoo (3.7), Fland (3.3)
Auburn: Broome (5.3), Baker-Mazara (4.3), Pettiford (4.0)
Oklahoma: Fears (4.3), Miles (3.0), Moore (2.3)

I was curious, so I looked at the top FTA player per team and how many shoot more than Fears:

Auburn: 5.3 (2) (well tied)
Alabama: 9.3 (2)
Ole Miss: 5.7 (1)
Florida: 5.0 (2)
Tennessee: 3.7 (0)
Georgia: 6.3 (2)
Miss St: 5.0 (1)
Kentucky: 6.0 (2) and another tie
Missouri: 5.7 (2)
Texas A&M: 9.3 (2) and one at 8.0, holy nice
Vandy: 5.0 (2) and another tie
Oklahoma: 4.3
Arkansas: 7.0 (1)
LSU: (0)
Texas: 5.0 (2) and another tie
South Carolina: 6.0 (3) and another tie

So only two teams don't have a higher FTA rate than our highest player on the team...that is Tennessee and LSU. They are 13th and 14th respectively in FTA per game. (We are at 16th, dead last)

I would argue, as the #1 option on our team, his FTA should be higher, but he is also a young'n who is going to make mistakes.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Holy cherry-picking batman.
(I say cherry-pick, bc you very adamantly talk about in conference play a lot, and this time you cited season total rather than in conference to make your point look better)

Mark Sears (9.3), Adou Thiero (7.0). (Did you just want to look at freshman guards?)

To your address point, Jeremiah Fears is at (4.3) in conference. Boogie Fland (3.3), Tahaad Pettiford (4.0).

Fears is the leader on the Sooners at 4.3 FTA in conference.

Shall we look at the other players you brought up on their team:

Arkansas: Thiero (7.0), Wagner (4.0), Aidoo (3.7), Fland (3.3)
Auburn: Broome (5.3), Baker-Mazara (4.3), Pettiford (4.0)
Oklahoma: Fears (4.3), Miles (3.0), Moore (2.3)

I was curious, so I looked at the top FTA player per team and how many shoot more than Fears:

Auburn: 5.3 (2) (well tied)
Alabama: 9.3 (2)
Ole Miss: 5.7 (1)
Florida: 5.0 (2)
Tennessee: 3.7 (0)
Georgia: 6.3 (2)
Miss St: 5.0 (1)
Kentucky: 6.0 (2) and another tie
Missouri: 5.7 (2)
Texas A&M: 9.3 (2) and one at 8.0, holy nice
Vandy: 5.0 (2) and another tie
Oklahoma: 4.3
Arkansas: 7.0 (1)
LSU: (0)
Texas: 5.0 (2) and another tie
South Carolina: 6.0 (3) and another tie

So only two teams don't have a higher FTA rate than our highest player on the team...that is Tennessee and LSU. They are 13th and 14th respectively in FTA per game. (We are at 16th, dead last)

I would argue, as the #1 option on our team, his FTA should be higher, but he is also a young'n who is going to make mistakes.

I’m only talking about Fears, not the rest of our team. As for the small sample you’re selecting (three games), we got run out of the gym against Bama. They are infinitely more talented than we are. We aren’t going to get to the line more than them. Against A&M, apparently the game plan was to free Goodine for threes (I read it here yesterday so it must be true). Does that usually lead to a ton of FTs? But the numbers in that game were fairly even. Georgia is the one game that had a huge difference that could raise eyebrows. I’ll wait for more than one game to freak out.

Back to Fears. In the first two league games, his free throw rate was barely below his noncon numbers. He actually shot 8 free throws at Bama. Anything to complain about there? In the past two game, he is playing 21 mins per game, which is about 8 less than he was before that point.

I’m not arguing that there were no missed calls. I’m saying that (a) we don’t have the personnel or style that will lead to a ton of free throws, and (b) one game with a huge discrepancy is way too soon for people to start whining that we are getting systematically screwed. It’s also funny that for the past two years, we saw lots of posts about how the fictitious “Big 12” refs were out to get us and people counting down the days till we got to the SEC and didn’t have to put up with the anti-OU bias.

 

[TEvans4Three]

I’m only talking about Fears, not the rest of our team. As for the small sample you’re selecting (three games), we got run out of the gym against Bama. They are infinitely more talented than we are. We aren’t going to get to the line more than them. Against A&M, apparently the game plan was to free Goodine for threes (I read it here yesterday so it must be true). Does that usually lead to a ton of FTs? But the numbers in that game were fairly even. Georgia is the one game that had a huge difference that could raise eyebrows. I’ll wait for more than one game to freak out.

Yes, but you were using very random comparisons (only freshman guards) to make your point come across better. I had to show the full picture to show the point of FTA-Rate and OU.

Small sample size? You keep talking about how our OOC is weak and garbage...which I agree, and it inflates our numbers. I am using the in conference only, yes 3 games, as a sample size of how teams will play against actual competition. I am using stuff that you harp on to make the point, but when it goes against what you want to show...it's a small sample size until......

Back to Fears. In the first two league games,

Now that is a smaller sample size of my small sample size...so am I using small samples or not, OOC or not, what are you choosing to use for your side of the argument? Let's pick something and stick with it. Heck, I can take a whole day off of work from compiling these stats for the board (which takes time) and look at only against Top-50 KP teams? What is going to be the baseline?

I’m not arguing that there were no missed calls. I’m saying that (a) we don’t have the personnel or style that will lead to a ton of free throws, and (b) one game with a huge discrepancy is way too soon for people to start whining that we are getting systematically screwed. It’s also funny that for the past two years, we saw lots of posts about how the fictitious “Big 12” refs were out to get us and people counting down the days till we got to the SEC and didn’t have to put up with the anti-OU bias.

Well, then we agree here. I don't disagree with this block at all, but the picked through stuff, I had to call out. As I am sure you would as well.

I am not/will not be arguing calls in Bama, not even in the Aggies game, but the Georgia game was very very bad. Bama ran us out the gym, we lost the Aggies game, but UGA felt like it was pushed away from us.


Moral of the story, Fears has not been good in conference at all, but he needs to keep staying aggressive, we need to get much better on defense, and keep attacking the basket. Calls or not.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yes, but you were using very random comparisons (only freshman guards) to make your point come across better. I had to show the full picture to show the point of FTA-Rate and OU.

Small sample size? You keep talking about how our OOC is weak and garbage...which I agree, and it inflates our numbers. I am using the in conference only, yes 3 games, as a sample size of how teams will play against actual competition. I am using stuff that you harp on to make the point, but when it goes against what you want to show...it's a small sample size until......



Now that is a smaller sample size of my small sample size...so am I using small samples or not, OOC or not, what are you choosing to use for your side of the argument? Let's pick something and stick with it. Heck, I can take a whole day off of work from compiling these stats for the board (which takes time) and look at only against Top-50 KP teams? What is going to be the baseline?


Well, then we agree here. I don't disagree with this block at all, but the picked through stuff, I had to call out. As I am sure you would as well.

I am not/will not be arguing calls in Bama, not even in the Aggies game, but the Georgia game was very very bad. Bama ran us out the gym, we lost the Aggies game, but UGA felt like it was pushed away from us.


Moral of the story, Fears has not been good in conference at all, but he needs to keep staying aggressive, we need to get much better on defense, and keep attacking the basket. Calls or not.

I think our noncon vs. conference numbers prove the same point: more often than not, when there is a talent gap, the more talented team will shoot more FTs.

 

[snydrosooner]

I think our noncon vs. conference numbers prove the same point: more often than not, when there is a talent gap, the more talented team will shoot more FTs.

Modern day yes. I remember some of Sampson’s OU teams forcing fouls to get to free throw line as an offensive strategy cause they were less talented.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Modern day yes. I remember some of Sampson’s OU teams forcing fouls to get to free throw line as an offensive strategy cause they were less talented.

Fair point, talent plus style of play are the two main factors. And there also are some teams that emphasize not fouling defensively (Wisconsin comes to mind, and Lon's teams were good at that). We foul a lot -- have all season. Talent comes into play there, too, and our poor defensive rebounding, which frequently causes us to be out of position.

 

[cbertus6]

From @cbertus6 last year, getting me onto cbbanalytics.com, here are some of their numbers on OU in conference play...

Team Four Factors:
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Aside from eFG%, we are bottom of the league in about every other category. Defense, especially...

Shooting Stats:
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We are actually efficient for the floor, shoot well, FTA/G being the big misnomer here. I will add that stats show we are middle of the SEC in points in the paint and higher in fast break points...so the low-rate FT per game tends to lean towards referee favoritism a bit there. That should be technical foul on a coach call worthy, IMO.

Why did I want Godwin coming off the bench and a proper 5? Well...
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FT-Rate...why is it so low?
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This chart shows that we should be attempting WAY more than 14 FTs per game. Top in fast break points and Top-7 in points in the paint...

O vs D Rating:
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Defense...there you have it, worst in the SEC as of now.

Thanks for the shoutout! It really is an awesome website and when you know what you’re looking for, it can lead to very insightful revelations