Sean Miller

[DenverSooner]

Who thinks he should go to jail or at least get a lifelong ban from college basketball.

 

[soonerczech]

If guilty yes, but all we have so far is an ESPN guy with a "source ".

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If guilty yes, but all we have so far is an ESPN guy with a "source ".

we don't have a tape?

I think jail is a little much

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

A guy who arranges for a recruit to get $100,000 -from someone else? The FBI should not be in the business of prosecuting NCAA violations. Punishment from the NCAA...yes but I'm going to oppose putting people in jail for breaking NCAA rules.

 

[MercedeSooner]

Wonder if he ll get a standing ovation this time around when they return to AZ.

 

[TINY]

He is a terrible in game coach. He has squandered an absurd amount of talent during his time there. I’m guessing he gets his pink slip.

 

[DenverSooner]

we don't have a tape?

I think jail is a little much

Why? If he broke the law he should go to jail. Whit collar crime needs to be punished severely and it rarely receives more money than a slap on the wrist. No excuse for someone with so much breaking the law.

 

[DenverSooner]

A guy who arranges for a recruit to get $100,000 -from someone else? The FBI should not be in the business of prosecuting NCAA violations. Punishment from the NCAA...yes but I'm going to oppose putting people in jail for breaking NCAA rules.

It is probably racketeering and almost certainly a violation of tax law. If he did not break any laws I would agree but I suspect he broke laws. If so he should go to jail. A felony is a felony. I would make ch rather a white collar criminal go to jail then some small hustler stealing to get buy in the world.

 

[mict085]

A guy who arranges for a recruit to get $100,000 -from someone else? The FBI should not be in the business of prosecuting NCAA violations. Punishment from the NCAA...yes but I'm going to oppose putting people in jail for breaking NCAA rules.

The FBI doesn’t give a crap about ncaa violations. They care about breaking the law. Also, you can’t get an indictment on NCAA violations, only on illegal activity. Do you think the FBI is going to present a case based on NCAA violations? Are you being serious? Or are you being obtuse?

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

It is probably racketeering and almost certainly a violation of tax law. If he did not break any laws I would agree but I suspect he broke laws. If so he should go to jail. A felony is a felony. I would make ch rather a white collar criminal go to jail then some small hustler stealing to get buy in the world.

You think he broke a tax law? What tax law did he break? Has anyone even alleged, other than you, that he broke any law?

A few assistant coaches have been indicted for various things but, even though this payment arrangement was (allegedly) caught on tape, Sean Miller hasn't been indicted and I haven't read anyone saying he might be.

Paying athletes to play college ball is an NCAA violation but not a crime. Otherwise several of the coaches with teams in the tournament (Pearl, for example) would have served time already. So, unless a crime was committed in making an arrangement for a recruit to get some money, any talk of him going to prison is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

The FBI doesn’t give a crap about ncaa violations. They care about breaking the law. Also, you can’t get an indictment on NCAA violations, only on illegal activity. Do you think the FBI is going to present a case based on NCAA violations? Are you being serious? Or are you being obtuse?

Has any case been brought against Sean Miller? Perhaps it is not I who is being obtuse.

 

[DenverSooner]

You think he broke a tax law? What tax law did he break? Has anyone even alleged, other than you, that he broke any law?

A few assistant coaches have been indicted for various things but, even though this payment arrangement was (allegedly) caught on tape, Sean Miller hasn't been indicted and I haven't read anyone saying he might be.

Paying athletes to play college ball is an NCAA violation but not a crime. Otherwise several of the coaches with teams in the tournament (Pearl, for example) would have served time already. So, unless a crime was committed in making an arrangement for a recruit to get some money, any talk of him going to prison is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top.

Yes. Cash payments without 1099 could easily be called conspiracy to be weak tax law. They bust the mafia on tax law violations when they can’t prove other stuff. This guy is bad. He should be out of coaching and Arizona should be on major probation. If he broke any laws he should go to jail. That is the only way you clean it up. Burn some of these head coaches.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

Yes. Cash payments without 1099 could easily be called conspiracy to be weak tax law. They bust the mafia on tax law violations when they can’t prove other stuff. This guy is bad. He should be out of coaching and Arizona should be on major probation. If he broke any laws he should go to jail. That is the only way you clean it up. Burn some of these head coaches.

You're comparing Sean Miller to the mafia? Violations of tax laws get to people earning income that they don't report and, therefore, don't pay taxes on. That simply doesn't apply to Miller here. He didn't get any money and, if the allegations are true, he didn't pay any money to anyone. Again, if he did what is alleged he broke NCAA rules but he didn't break any laws and we shouldn't just be throwing people in prison for breaking NCAA rules. We don't like this coach or that program so we throw him in prison? No way.

 

[DenverSooner]

You're comparing Sean Miller to the mafia? Violations of tax laws get to people earning income that they don't report and, therefore, don't pay taxes on. That simply doesn't apply to Miller here. He didn't get any money and, if the allegations are true, he didn't pay any money to anyone. Again, if he did what is alleged he broke NCAA rules but he didn't break any laws and we shouldn't just be throwing people in prison for breaking NCAA rules. We don't like this coach or that program so we throw him in prison? No way.

I am not comparing him to the mafia.

A payment on his behalf is Probably income to him. The payment to the kid is nprobabky not deductible because it is illegal. Plus he did not report the payment to the kid and he is required to do that. The point is if the government wants to end this there is a way.

 

[mict085]

Has any case been brought against Sean Miller? Perhaps it is not I who is being obtuse.

You said the FBI shouldn’t be prosecuting NCAA violations. I said they would only prosecute crimes. The FBI will not be pursuing NCAA violations. If a case is brought against Miller and he is prosecuted, it will be for criminal activity, not NCAA violations. So, you’re assumption that the FBI is trying to police and prosecute NCAA violations is patently false.

 

[SoonerSpock]

You said the FBI shouldn’t be prosecuting NCAA violations. I said they would only prosecute crimes. The FBI will not be pursuing NCAA violations. If a case is brought against Miller and he is prosecuted, it will be for criminal activity, not NCAA violations. So, you’re assumption that the FBI is trying to police and prosecute NCAA violations is patently false.

Bingo!

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

I am not comparing him to the mafia.

A payment on his behalf is Probably income to him. The payment to the kid is nprobabky not deductible because it is illegal. Plus he did not report the payment to the kid and he is required to do that. The point is if the government wants to end this there is a way.

Miller didn't pay anyone. No one alleges he paid anyone. He didn't get any money -- so there's nothing to pay taxes on -- and he didn't pay any money. His income didn't change by 1 penny. Giving money to another person is not illegal.

Again, if he did what is alleged, he broke an NCAA rule but NCAA rules are not laws so there is no allegation by anyone (except you and others here) that Miller broke a law. He should be punished by the NCAA but the FBI should not be the NCAA's enforcement mechanism. The FBI should be enforcing laws not NCAA rules.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

You said the FBI shouldn’t be prosecuting NCAA violations. I said they would only prosecute crimes. The FBI will not be pursuing NCAA violations. If a case is brought against Miller and he is prosecuted, it will be for criminal activity, not NCAA violations. So, you’re assumption that the FBI is trying to police and prosecute NCAA violations is patently false.

It want my assumption. It was the assumption of the OP who, multiple times, said he thinks Sean Miller should go to prison for breaking NCAA rules. So now you're being disingenuous -- in fact you have been throughout this thread -- in saying that I said the FBI is trying to prosecute NCAA violations. No one can point to a law he broke, or even any allegation that he broke any law, so no, I don't think he belongs in prison.

Cheers.

 

[DenverSooner]

If I pay a bribe on your behalf it is income to you. Miller like many of these coaches is a dishonest POS. He needs to be run out of college sports.

 

[mict085]

It want my assumption. It was the assumption of the OP who, multiple times, said he thinks Sean Miller should go to prison for breaking NCAA rules. So now you're being disingenuous -- in fact you have been throughout this thread -- in saying that I said the FBI is trying to prosecute NCAA violations. No one can point to a law he broke, or even any allegation that he broke any law, so no, I don't think he belongs in prison.

Cheers.

Read your original post. You said the FBI shouldn’t be prosecuting NCAA violations. They aren’t and never have been. If the FBI comes after him, it will be for a crime, not NCAA violations. So, your assumption is wrong. Just own it.