SEC Hoops?

[boksooner]

Not really. I don't think that oSu is remotely close to aTm in revenue produced on a yearly basis. I've presented valid reasons why I think that. Either way, I don't care, ALL I care about is OU's autonomy in going where OU wants to go. If [INSERT] Conference wants both oSu and OU, great! But if not, I don't want OU to be stuck. Not sure where this position went off the rails.

That's debatable

 

[Mr.B!!!]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ke-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

Here is the link. Think about it, aTm has a bigger stadium, more alumni and students and probably close to the same television revenue.

 

[boksooner]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ke-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

Here is the link. Think about it, aTm has a bigger stadium, more alumni and students and probably close to the same television revenue.

Revenue = price x volume

You keep trying to focus just on volume. What is the comparison in ticket prices? How does A&M revenue for non-football compare to OSU?

A&M probably has more football revenue, but they have little to no fan support in all other sports. OSU has a ton of support for basketball, wrestling, baseball and golf.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Revenue = price x volume

You keep trying to focus just on volume. What is the comparison in ticket prices? How does A&M revenue for non-football compare to OSU?

Okay, you win...without a MASSIVE donation, oSu was clearly one of the top 10 programs in the county. I swear I think you are just arguing to be argumentative on this one. OU was rolling in about 20,000 people more PER GAME than oSu, yet oSu was ahead of OU? oSu tickets are more expensive than OU's in that same period?

 

[Tony]

It's not just merchandise. OSU sold a lot of high priced football tickets and a lot of high priced basketball tickets. Plus, they get a pretty nice chunk added from wrestling, a sport that only a handful of schools has better fan support.

Revenues from wrestling are minimal. OSU's total revenue from all sports other than football and men's basketball was less than $1.7.

I do wonder about the revenues generated when teams rent out their facilities. Not sure if that money goes to the athletic department or not.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

OU Football 2007-2008 = BCS Appearence (BCS Money)
OU Basketball 2007-2008 = NCAA Tournament Appearence (CBS Money)
OU Women's Basketball = NCAA Tournament Appearence, Top 10 in attendance.

There are your BIG revenue producers.

 

[boksooner]

OU Football 2007-2008 = BCS Appearence (BCS Money)
OU Basketball 2007-2008 = NCAA Tournament Appearence (CBS Money)
OU Women's Basketball = NCAA Tournament Appearence, Top 10 in attendance.

There are your BIG revenue producers.

Is the fiscal year the same as the calendar year? When do they credit the revenue?

 

[HoHum]

OU Football 2007-2008 = BCS Appearence (BCS Money)
OU Basketball 2007-2008 = NCAA Tournament Appearence (CBS Money)
OU Women's Basketball = NCAA Tournament Appearence, Top 10 in attendance.

There are your BIG revenue producers.

OSU's average basketball ticket is substantially higher than OU's. I don't know about football, but OSU's tickets there are pretty high as well. That can make up a lot of ground in attendance disparity.

 

[stoops4pres]

Revenues from wrestling are minimal. OSU's total revenue from all sports other than football and men's basketball was less than $1.7.

Exactly. Conferences won't be salivating over Ok. State's wrestling opportunities.

 

[HoHum]

Exactly. Conferences won't be salivating over Ok. State's wrestling opportunities.

I didn't mean to imply they were, in fact a move to the SEC would probably put a major choke on OSU's wrestling program. I did overestimate how how much money wrestling brought to the school, apparently. I figured it would have been 3-4 million. Guess not.

 

[stoops4pres]

I didn't mean to imply they were, in fact a move to the SEC would probably put a major choke on OSU's wrestling program. I did underestimate how how much money wrestling brought to the school, apparently. I figured it would have been 3-4 million. Guess not.

My bad, I thought you were implying that.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Ok. State's wrestling program handles any conference transformation.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Is the fiscal year the same as the calendar year? When do they credit the revenue?

Does it really matter? Go look at what oSu did during the same time-frame, pick your year...OU had JUST gone to another BCS Game the year before, OH, and got paid fat money for the RRS. Did oSu sell more merchandise or have better television ratings than OU? No way.

Seriously, I'm "arguing" with another person that I agree with most of the time about something that is irrelevant, but that Oklahoma State is in the top ten of "revenue" production in 2007-2008 AHEAD OF OU without the benefit of the inclusion of the Pickens donation and during a time when they were actually averaging almost 35,000 less per game in attendance in the biggest revenue producing sport is absurd (just kidding).

 

[boksooner]

Does it really matter? Go look at what oSu did during the same time-frame, pick your year...OU had JUST gone to another BCS Game the year before, OH, and got paid fat money for the RRS. Did oSu sell more merchandise or have better television ratings than OU? No way.

Seriously, I'm "arguing" with another person that I agree with most of the time about something that is irrelevant, but that Oklahoma State is in the top ten of "revenue" production in 2007-2008 AHEAD OF OU without the benefit of the inclusion of the Pickens donation and during a time when they were actually averaging almost 35,000 less per game in attendance in the biggest revenue producing sport is absurd (just kidding).

I'm just trying to impress upon you that it is not a black and white issue. There are a ton of factors that go into revenue generation. Timing is one of those. We don't know what makes up the unallocated revenue number. That number is what puts OU, OSU and Kansas ahead of Nebraska and A&M.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I'm just trying to impress upon you that it is not a black and white issue. There are a ton of factors that go into revenue generation. Timing is one of those. We don't know what makes up the unallocated revenue number. That number is what puts OU, OSU and Kansas ahead of Nebraska and A&M.

I don't disagree except that I would remind you of what Kansas did that year as well.

I personally think the SEC would be reluctant to include oSu:

1. OU will bring the cable market in the state.

2. OU will bring the name recognition to ESPN.

3. OU will not be a step down for rivalries for existing conference members (that is a BIG deal to some of those folks).

4. UT being "handcuffed" to a school like aTm is WAY different than OU being handcuffed to a school like oSu. aTm is just as big a commodity as OU probably.

5. Including oSu forces SEC to bring in another school (again, dividing up $$$ among existing schools). OU can withstand that type of financial scrutiny, so can UT and aTm, just not convinced that oSu can.

As to the "revenue" issue, oSu had one thing that was out of the ordinary compared to the other schools. Seriously, they we $10,000,000 ahead of OU without the benefit of $$$ from the RRS, the B12 Championship Game, an NCAA Tournament appearance, a BCS Bowl game and a massive edge in FB attendance...unfortunately for them, their revenue source is irrelevant as to what these super conferences are looking for.

End of the day, it isn't an anti-oSu message, it is a pro-OU message that I have. SEC doesn't "need" OU, OU needs them to stay viable IF the B12 is no longer existing in its present form (and without UT and aTm). Sorry, but I think OU needs to jump and jump as soon as possible, oSu should be irrelevant in the discussion.

 

[JBaker]

If anyone is honestly arguing that OSU's athletic department could have possibly generated more revenue than OU in 2009, 2008, 2007 or any other year, then they are arguing just to argue.
It obviously includes donations.

We have averaged 40,000 more in football attendance than OSU. They do NOT sell $180 tickets too football games to make up for that disparity. We have out-attended them in basketball for 2-3 years now. We go to BCS games, we make NCAA Tournaments (err, we did). We sell infinity times more merchandise. We are on national TV several times a year. It's not close.

 

[propoke]

Just to add, OU could schedule oSu non-conference every year on a 2-1 basis. Georgia still plays GT every year. Just looking at it, KSU, TT and oSu make more sense for the MWC, KU and ISU to the Big East (hoops conference) and Baylor to CUSA.

This just made me laugh. OSU would never give 2 road games for 1 home game, it just would never happen. They may do a home and home, or play some neutral site games.

 

[NickZepp]

I think the state legislature will make sure that OU and OSU are in the same conference, just like the state of Texas will put A&M and Texas in the same conference.

 

[propoke]

I just hope the Big 12 stays together. There is no need to switch things up. In Football if you win the conference you go play for a national championship. In basketball if you are one of the top two teams in the conference you have an excellent shot at a #1 seed in the tourney. Nearly every team has a rivalry with history behind it. How could it get any better?

 

[skyvue]

Maybe they include sales of Eskimo Joe's shirts in oswho's revenue calculations?

 

[propoke]

Maybe they include sales of Eskimo Joe's shirts in oswho's revenue calculations?

No, not the shirts just the chillie cheese fries.