Softball

All these new names!! I see when Patty announces their commitment but no list or mention of them after that. Some of those mentioned above I havent heard of. None other than those committed fro next year. Where are they listed? Bios?

You're right, softball information is hard to come by, especially with regard to recruits. Speedy obviously is extremely knowledgeable and he has taken this site to another level when it comes to the softball program. I certainly appreciate his insight, opinions, and research he brings to a sport we don't often heard much about until the season starts. Great job!!!
 
All these new names!! I see when Patty announces their commitment but no list or mention of them after that. Some of those mentioned above I havent heard of. None other than those committed fro next year. Where are they listed? Bios?
http://www.studentsports.com/softball/
Try this site for the master verbal list for all schools. Jenkinsavenuebombers also lists recruits. Heybucket also provides softball information.
 
All these new names!! I see when Patty announces their commitment but no list or mention of them after that. Some of those mentioned above I havent heard of. None other than those committed fro next year. Where are they listed? Bios?
Speedy is knowledgeable, as is AustinTXSooner who rarely posts here but was probably the original source for the various lists. Tycat has posted the links to the lists on this site in other threads.
 
I think it is likely that Parker will be more like Ricketts in that she will be very, very good next year. But, I don't think she'll start out as great. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. But, I anticipate that Stevens will be the key starter until about halfway through the conference season. Then, when Parker becomes less of a freshman, I anticipate that she will be the dominant, but that we will use two pitchers, much like Ricketts/Gascoigne. That's tough to beat when a team has two.

I don't know exactly who will be the starters next year. Freshmen develop. I would have never thought that Self would be what she was as a sophomore at any time during her freshman year. I'd like to see how some progress. I have no basis to say anything about Arnold or Lookout, never having seen either. I have seen Hatfield. Will she make the progress that Self made? As a freshman, which was better?

I will love watching this team develop next year. I think the potential is great, assuming that Lauren and Katie come back healthy.

As good as Keilani was as a freshman and sophomore, she was so much better as a junior and senior. It's going to be difficult when we compare (or even when Patty compares) anyone to Keilani. I don't know that we'll ever see anyone with the overall game of Keilani! I'm glad we have Kelsey and that will lend Paige to not have as much pressure put on her and she can ease into the college game. I, like everyone else, am excited for her future. I'm excited for Kelsey's future as well. Talk about pressure, and she impressed! I think she's going to improve as well. Coming in as a new player and having to follow a legend on the mound with essentially no help on the mound!

Every time we talk softball, I'm reminded of just a few short years ago on another board there was poster/posters that was spouting off accusations that Patty and Melyssa (Lombardi - pitching coach) were ruining pitchers and the program was heading downhill! Also, during the year Jessica Shults left the team (and at the time, no one knew why) and the same people stated that this validated their unfounded "rumors" that the team was in disarray because one of the stars had quit the team (because Patty was too hard on her and the team). This person(s) always talked of "being in the know". NOW, we know Jessica had a serious illness. NOW, we know OU began a 3 year streak in the WCWS and played for championship 2 years in a row (winning one and should have won another!) with a "ruined" pitcher! 'Nuff said!
 
I doubt Kelsey will ever be a dominate pitcher but she is certainly above average.
 
I think Kelsey is a dominant pitcher, but not in the scope that Keilani was/is. Kelsey is a very effective pitcher, if she keeps her control. The same can be said of Keilani. But, Keilani can pitch against the world's best teams and be outstanding. When she pitched in the finals against Japan, it took the "put two runners on base to start and inning" gimmick to score against either pitcher. Neither team could touch the other's starter. Keilani can dominate a Japan. Kelsey doesn't have that kind of stuff. But, I didn't see a pitcher in college ball this year who had that kind of stuff. It's really up to Keilani and Abbott. They can dominate good hitters and good teams.

Really good hitters can hit Kelsey if they are patient. She can also outsmart them with her variety. The difference is that "crop-duster" that Keilani has. That thing is going over seventy and breaking sideways and down. There is speed and movement. If Keilani has control over that pitch, you simply need to reschedule for tomorrow and hope she doesn't have it then. You can't hit that pitch. But, there are probably only three to four pitchers in the country that are that dominant. Monica Abbott, Cat Ostermann, and Keilani are all but impossible to hit when they are on.

As Tennessee discovered, we had two dominant pitchers last year. One was just a bit more dominant. A good hitter can hit Gascoigne. She has good stuff, but no single pitch that is unhittable.

As a sophomore, I thought Kelsey did an outstanding job. She is not a power pitcher, and she has to pitch to spots with a variety of pitches. But, when she is hitting her spots, you may hit one pitch every two innings. But, you aren't going to get three hits in an inning. She has problem when she doesn't have control. I suspect that she will be about as good as any pitcher in the country this year. I haven't seen one that will be better, yet.
 
Kelsey grew a lot last year. I got to see in person the games that really showed her growth. The first set of games was down in Lafayette against ULL. At that point Kelsey was not consistent. It was an incredibly tough environment. She struggled although OU won in game 1 13-5 (it was not a run rule). The next game she got hit early and removed to a complete disaster 7-0. Of course, this was a double header and she came back and pitched solidly losing 3-1 in game 2. After that game, she was really tough for the rest of the year. You could see the real difference in the game vs. Lafayette in the World Series - you always felt that she was in control. She had improved so much and hopefully she will continue to improve. By the way, she hit up to 68 on the gun in OKC.

The thing is that Kelsey's stuff is not totally dominant and will have blips on the screen. She has to hit location. She also does not have the endurance to pitch every game like Keilani could. Last year, you were always freaked out in a doubleheader.

One of the reasons that Keilani was so strong her senior year was Michelle. Michelle was awesome in her own right and ate a lot of innings. Go look at the innings pitched and you will see that Keilani pitched about a third less innings in her senior year. That didn't happen from her freshman year through her junior year. I think the season really wore on her in each season. This is why it is so important to have two pitchers especially early in non-conference tournament season that is filled with doubleheaders. It also helps in the three game series during conference because it keeps a team from locking in on a certain pitcher. Keilani's senior year was great because she would throw on Friday with her hard stuff then Michelle would give a totally different look on Saturday the nobody was ready to go back to Keilani's stuff on Sunday. This is why major league teams try to mix the type of pitchers they have from day to day.

The reason that I am so high on Paige is that she is lefty (a Gasso specialty), can hit the 70's like Keilani, and already has pitched against the top teams in the World (Japan, Canada, USA, etc.). The moment is not going to bother her. With velocity, location is still important but you can get away with mistakes at 72 than won't happen at 65-66. Softball is one sport where Freshmen pitchers have always had a great impact - Osterman, Traina, etc. Oops, OU's own Jennifer Stewart - remember, Lana Moran made AA that year but hardly pitched in the post season. I think Patti will go with the hot hand in the tourney, hopefully, both pitchers will be hot. One thing for certain, OU is not going to be totally stressed in game 2 of a doubleheader. Just think if OU had lost that Sooner magic game against A&M where OU scored twice on the 1B error to win. OU would have had to play again on Saturday and beat A&M twice on Sunday. That would have been a tough chore. Fortunately, it was just one game on Sunday and homer barrage to advance.
 
Kelsey grew a lot last year. I got to see in person the games that really showed her growth. The first set of games was down in Lafayette against ULL. At that point Kelsey was not consistent. It was an incredibly tough environment. She struggled although OU won in game 1 13-5 (it was not a run rule). The next game she got hit early and removed to a complete disaster 7-0. Of course, this was a double header and she came back and pitched solidly losing 3-1 in game 2. After that game, she was really tough for the rest of the year. You could see the real difference in the game vs. Lafayette in the World Series - you always felt that she was in control. She had improved so much and hopefully she will continue to improve. By the way, she hit up to 68 on the gun in OKC.

The thing is that Kelsey's stuff is not totally dominant and will have blips on the screen. She has to hit location. She also does not have the endurance to pitch every game like Keilani could. Last year, you were always freaked out in a doubleheader.

One of the reasons that Keilani was so strong her senior year was Michelle. Michelle was awesome in her own right and ate a lot of innings. Go look at the innings pitched and you will see that Keilani pitched about a third less innings in her senior year. That didn't happen from her freshman year through her junior year. I think the season really wore on her in each season. This is why it is so important to have two pitchers especially early in non-conference tournament season that is filled with doubleheaders. It also helps in the three game series during conference because it keeps a team from locking in on a certain pitcher. Keilani's senior year was great because she would throw on Friday with her hard stuff then Michelle would give a totally different look on Saturday the nobody was ready to go back to Keilani's stuff on Sunday. This is why major league teams try to mix the type of pitchers they have from day to day.

The reason that I am so high on Paige is that she is lefty (a Gasso specialty), can hit the 70's like Keilani, and already has pitched against the top teams in the World (Japan, Canada, USA, etc.). The moment is not going to bother her. With velocity, location is still important but you can get away with mistakes at 72 than won't happen at 65-66. Softball is one sport where Freshmen pitchers have always had a great impact - Osterman, Traina, etc. Oops, OU's own Jennifer Stewart - remember, Lana Moran made AA that year but hardly pitched in the post season. I think Patti will go with the hot hand in the tourney, hopefully, both pitchers will be hot. One thing for certain, OU is not going to be totally stressed in game 2 of a doubleheader. Just think if OU had lost that Sooner magic game against A&M where OU scored twice on the 1B error to win. OU would have had to play again on Saturday and beat A&M twice on Sunday. That would have been a tough chore. Fortunately, it was just one game on Sunday and homer barrage to advance.

Great post! I'm very excited about next season! Sure hope we can avoid the injury bug. Having Chamberlain, Self and Williams injured really affected us in the WCWS I think. We were strong enough to get by in regionals and super regionals, but not strong enough to beat Bama and Oregon. I think Kelsey is good enough to get it done...she doesn't have to be dominant, just effective. With Paige as backup/co-starter, and no injuries, I think we make a strong, strong push to bring a 3rd NC trophy back to Norman!
 
Hey, I have contributed a few softball posts, too. I am the one who referred everyone to Student Sports Softball to begin with.
The rankings on SSS are done almost exclusively off of summer club team play. I read an article on one of OU's recruits that stated she didn't play high school softball because she was homeschooled, but was a star on her club team.
SSS, in the article on top club pitchers that Sybarite referred to, has a video of of all of them including Brittany Finney, Mariah Lopez, Nicole Mendes and Mel Olmos. Don't forget that Finney is a great hitter as well.
Go back through the daily updates for the last few weeks and read the reports on the SoCal A's Invitational. There is good information about several OU commits that participated.
 
Speedy, because of your knowledge of softball, I have to ask, are you a coach?
 
Speedy, because of your knowledge of softball, I have to ask, are you a coach?

Not a coach but have some really good friends on the Board of Premier Girls Fastpitch which is really competing with ASA now.
 
Not a coach but have some really good friends on the Board of Premier Girls Fastpitch which is really competing with ASA now.

Gotcha! I hope you will continue to post often. Even though this is really a basketball board, I know that several here are softball fans as well and would very much appreciate any thoughts or information you can share. Of course we also want you to continue in the basketball discussions as well.
 
Yes, please do post as much information and you can glean on softball and contribute to the basketball discussion. Apparently SoonerSports doesnt think that softball has achieved enough status to warrant their attention. A fact which I have called to their attention. Some of you should join me. They might even notice, Who knows?
 
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Thanks!! Kudos to everyone here because it is the best site for OU Hoops and the only place almost for women's hoops.
 
I'll add my thanks, speedy…and sunny…and everyone else who has made it possible for me to learn more about our softball recruits, their strengths, etc.

I predict the popularity of college softball is about ready to explode. If and when that happens, information about OU recruits and high school players in general will become much easier to find.
 
Thanks!! Kudos to everyone here because it is the best site for OU Hoops and the only place almost for women's hoops.

You made very similar posts on here and OUInsider about next year's lineup. What I found intriguing is the certainty with which you spoke of Parker and Pendley becoming an immediate part of the regular lineup, as well as the apparent confidence that Parsons, Self, and Pendley would be the outfielders, which excludes Erin who was coming on pretty well at the end of the year. You also projected Vest to be the everyday starter at SS with Parker acting as the DH for her, except when she pitches. I had thought more that Vest seemed to be playing less than a couple of years ago.

The confidence with which you made these observations made me wonder if your sources are sufficiently inside the program to have an idea of what they are thinking.

Incidentally, I had no idea that there was a girl's slowpitch league.
 
Incidentally, I had no idea that there was a girl's slowpitch league.

Not sure if you were referencing high school teams here, syb, but many Oklahoma high schools play fastpitch in the fall and slowpitch in the spring. Fastpitch is, to me at least, a better game, but slowpitch can have a tremendous amount of offense and scoring.
 
Not sure if you were referencing high school teams here, syb, but many Oklahoma high schools play fastpitch in the fall and slowpitch in the spring. Fastpitch is, to me at least, a better game, but slowpitch can have a tremendous amount of offense and scoring.

Check out the stats of Destinie Lookout during spring slow pitch at Westmoore.
I think it says 31 Hrs 86 RBIs and a .732 batting average.

http://newsok.com/high-schools-westmoores-destinie-lookout-took-game-to-a-new-level/article/4889144
 
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