Stevie Clark

[SilliSooner]

You say that like it is a good thing. Obama has spent 6.350 Trillion Dollars since being elected. He didn't inherit Trillion Dollar deficits. That is a complete lie. Go here:http://www.usdebtclock.org/2008.html the deficit was less than 500 Billion when he was elected. I wouldn't be proud of supporting the most fiscally irresponsible President in the history of the country. Obama is such a fool he has not even gotten a single budget passed as President but you proudly support him. Liberals and young people are fools.

Denver, the Debt clock you put up says otherwise. It had us at $ 10.5 T in debt in 2008 meaning that on interest alone we're 500 billion per year in debt before you open the door. Plus the wars were in progress and the troop levels at an all time high were on the ground on two fronts. If McCain or anyone else was in office, the debt was pre-set to snowball no matter what.

I'm an old guy and have lived through 13 presidents, so if you want to get into this thing, we can do it.

 

[DenverSooner]

Denver, the Debt clock you put up says otherwise. It had us at $ 10.5 T in debt in 2008 meaning that on interest alone we're 500 billion per year in debt before you open the door. Plus the wars were in progress and the troop levels at an all time high were on the ground on two fronts. If McCain or anyone else was in office, the debt was pre-set to snowball no matter what.

I'm an old guy and have lived through 13 presidents, so if you want to get into this thing, we can do it.

I am not wrong. The Debt increased by just under 6 Trillion Dollars under Obama. His deficits ran at about 1.5 Trillion per year compared to less than .5 Trillion under Bush. Bush's expenditures included debt service and the cost of the wars. The cost of wars should have decreased because Iraq ended.

The numbers don't lie. Bush was way better than Obama when it came to fiscal responsibility and Bush was horrible when it came to fiscal responsibility. Cliton and the Republican Congress of the 90s were quite responsible. Now they benefitied from an incredible economy but they still did a good job working together and balancing each other out.

 

[campbest]

I did better on my ACT when I was hungover.

 

[Dignon003]

Thread Summary

So Stevie Clark is going to score so much that he's going to put us over the fiscal cliff and we're all going to get addicted to weed.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'd say your first phrase excludes you from stating your second phrase.

I am a parent but if this is truly your position I would contend you are not a good parent. A parent should not condone, accept, tollerate, or ignore drug or alcohol use by their child. I believe a parent should set rules not be a friend to their child. (I don't mean you can't be a friend just that being a parent comes first and requires some boundaries.)


I am a parent and high school teacher and coach.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

It's doubtul I will ever say this again, but OSUjeff is right on in this thread.

He is absolutely right on this thread. I don't practice criminal law, but a guy that rents out office space from my firm does, and just about every other day some rich kid (we call them Johnny Dimebag's) comes in with his parents trying to figure out how to get said kid the hell out of his (or her) mess. And trust me, these kids are not "thugs" or other stereotypes that get thrown out there either.

If you have a kid in high school, it's about 99% that they know or are friends with a kid that is smoking or dipping illegally, or using illegal drugs or legal drugs in an illegal manner (including alcohol and prescription pills). Frankly, I did when I was in high school 20 years ago, I can't imagine the situation then being much different than it is now. I went to a large suburban H.S. in Tulsa and my recollection was if you wanted something and had money, you could get it that day. That is why I'm very hesitant to judge these kids harshly, they're doing what many kids do and have done for pretty much the last 60 years.

 

[boksooner]

I am not a parent but if this is truly your position I would contend you are not a good parent. A parent should not condone, accept, tollerate, or ignore drug or alcohol use by their child. I believe a parent should set rules not be a friend to their child. (I don't mean you can't be a friend just that being a parent comes first and requires some boundaries.)

I am a parent but if this is truly your position I would contend you are not a good parent. A parent should not condone, accept, tollerate, or ignore drug or alcohol use by their child. I believe a parent should set rules not be a friend to their child. (I don't mean you can't be a friend just that being a parent comes first and requires some boundaries.)


I am a parent and high school teacher and coach.

So, not having a problem with pot means you are a bad parent and you are trying to be their friend and not a parent?

 

[WTSooner]

So, not having a problem with pot means you are a bad parent and you are trying to be their friend and not a parent?

No.

Not having a problem with pot, but allowing your under-aged kids to also not have a problem with pot, is being a bad parent.

 

[boksooner]

No.

Not having a problem with pot, but allowing your under-aged kids to also not have a problem with pot, is being a bad parent.

The job of a parent is to turn their child into a happy, healthy adult. Teaching a teenager that is nearly an adult to have a healthy respect and understanding for drugs is much more valuable than propagating a puritanical fear of a substance that will likely lead to greater rebellion in college. I completely disagree with your assessment. It is difficult to make blanket statements about parenting. What works on one kid may not work on another.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

The job of a parent is to turn their child into a happy, healthy adult. Teaching a teenager that is nearly an adult to have a healthy respect and understanding for drugs is much more valuable than propagating a puritanical fear of a substance that will likely lead to greater rebellion in college. I completely disagree with your assessment. It is difficult to make blanket statements about parenting. What works on one kid may not work on another.

Totally agree. As far as Clark specifically goes, I think a 4.0 GPA or whatever it is shows a lot more about his character than (maybe) being in a car with a kid holding marijuana. Our last three presidents have admitted (to a degree) to using illegal drugs with our current president admitting that he used cocaine. Whatever your political beliefs, each of those men have been "successful" enough to attain the highest elected office in the country.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The job of a parent is to turn their child into a happy, healthy adult.

It is difficult to make blanket statements about parenting.

hmmmm

 

[Respectisearned]

Given that we don't know all the facts I think it will all play out over time. Hopefully Stevie has some honest father figure men in his life with the right values to help him learn from his mistakes IF in fact the situation happened. I have to wonder who advised him to go to Las Vegas... Heard Sonny Vaccaro had something to do with that but he is soon to be a cowboy so at least he's repping OK!

 

[hoopsaustin]

this thread is stupid! came here to read up and its about parenting...... Mods Nuke it!