Time to redraw the Big 12

[buttermaker1]

That makes zero sense. The North is better than the South this year and has been before.
If you want to go there & talk about all playing as 12 then it's the "little 11".
That's reality if you want to talk reality.

LMAO here we go

Only 1 time in 13 years has the North had 2 teams square off in the championship game. The very first year 1997 KU vs MU in Kansas City.

 

[HoHum]

That makes zero sense. The North is better than the South this year and has been before.
If you want to go there & talk about all playing as 12 then it's the "little 11".
That's reality if you want to talk reality.

3 ranked teams in the south. 2 ranked teams in the north.
4 tournament teams in the south. 3 tournament teams in the north.
The North has 2-14 Nebraska, the worst team in the conference by far.

Obviously the North has Kansas, but I don't really see how the North is definitively better.

 

[buttermaker1]

3 ranked teams in the south. 2 ranked teams in the north.
4 tournament teams in the south. 3 tournament teams in the north.
The North has 2-14 Nebraska, the worst team in the conference by far.

Obviously the North has Kansas, but I don't really see how the North is definitively better.

The north overall is never better not one year good grief anyone that argues that is really slow. Look how the little 5 do when we all play together in the big 12 tourney. Without KU's record in the tourney it would be horrid. The South is much better.

 

[sys]

3 ranked teams in the south. 2 ranked teams in the north.
4 tournament teams in the south. 3 tournament teams in the north.
The North has 2-14 Nebraska, the worst team in the conference by far.

Obviously the North has Kansas, but I don't really see how the North is definitively better.

the north has the best team and the worst. pretty equal otherwise.

 

[Cheno]

3 ranked teams in the south. 2 ranked teams in the north.
4 tournament teams in the south. 3 tournament teams in the north.
The North has 2-14 Nebraska, the worst team in the conference by far.
Obviously the North has Kansas, but I don't really see how the North is definitively better.

You answered your own question....the North is better because KU.
Really there is no difference between OU, Tech, Iowa State and Nebraska. To call Nebraska the "worst team by far" when they beat both OU and Tech is a stretch. All 4 of those team are equally bad.

Take away KU and the rest is pretty equal between the two.
Then you have KU which won the conference by 4 games and is #1 in the country. That's by far the tie-breaker. That's an extra automatic loss for every North team.
Here's an example in layman's terms. Which group has the hotter chicks.

A) Halle Berry, Roseanne Barr, Liza Minelli & Rosie O'Donnell
B) Barbara Streisand, Kathy Bates, Betty White & Whoopie Goldberg

It's A because of 1 name. The other 7 are similar.

 

[buttermaker1]

You answered your own question....the North is better because KU.
Really there is no difference between OU, Tech, Iowa State and Nebraska. To call Nebraska the "worst team by far" when they beat both OU and Tech is a stretch. All 4 of those team are equally bad.

Take away KU and the rest is pretty equal between the two.
Then you have KU which won the conference by 4 games and is #1 in the country. That's by far the tie-breaker. That's an extra automatic loss for every North team.
Here's an example in layman's terms. Which group has the hotter chicks.

A) Halle Berry, Roseanne Barr, Liza Minelli & Rosie O'Donnell
B) Barbara Streisand, Kathy Bates, Betty White & Whoopie Goldberg

It's A because of 1 name. The other 7 are similar.

Good grief this is a thread about how KU has a huge advantage by playing in the North in the regular season which is proven by the little 5 sucking in the big 12 tourney. Get a clue please. Read my big 12 tourney stat.'s you look foolish.

 

[Cheno]

Good grief this is a thread about how KU has a huge advantage by playing in the North in the regular season which is proven by the little 5 sucking in the big 12 tourney. Get a clue please. Read my big 12 tourney stat.'s you look foolish.

So what's your point? You jump around so much I'm confused.

 

[buttermaker1]

So what's your point? You jump around so much I'm confused.

Read my first post with all the big 12 tourney stat.s I don't have the energy nor the time to explain this again. It was really clear the first time backed up by big 12 tourney stat.'s since 1997. If you are argue the results you are the homer we all believed you were which you did above.

No one disagrees KU has been far and above the top team in the big 12 overall since 1997. However they have a huge advantage being in the North. We would all have much more respect for KU fans if they woud admit this and more respect for the KU regular season titles if it was a level playing field. The little 5 in the North is the reason most big 12 fans don't respect the regular season title as much.

Good lord home many ways to we have to explain this to KU fans?

 

[Cheno]

The little 5 in the North is the reason most big 12 fans don't respect the regular season title as much.

But yet everytime we have a thread on which is more important it's always overwhelmingly the Leage Championship. :ez-roll:
Start a thread and ask people which championship, the league or tourney, really proves who has the best team. It won't be what you just said. We've done this year after year.

Again this Big 12 is another example of how little importance it is to some teams. There's 5-6 teams that have a heckuva lot more to play for than KU.
It's that way every year with who wins the league.

 

[buttermaker1]

But yet everytime we have a thread on which is more important it's always overwhelmingly the Leage Championship. :ez-roll:
Start a thread and ask people which championship, the league or tourney, really proves who has the best team. It won't be what you just said. We've done this year after year.

Again this Big 12 is another example of how little importance it is to some teams. There's 5-6 teams that have a heckuva lot more to play for than KU.
It's that way every year with who wins the league.

Oh good grief you miss the point totally here. The big 12 tourney stat.'s prove the little 5 in the north suck and this gives KU a gimmie in the regular season. You are amazingly cluesless here. No one is arguing the fact KU has been the top team in the 12.

 

[buttermaker1]

Here we go again

Changing the big 12 for BB now thats funny. This is a football conference first, FB generates more revenue and cash is king.

I do agree most years KU has had an advantage playing in the North. If this wasn't true KU would have as many big 12 tourney championships as regular season championships.

KU has won the tourney 6 times, 4 of those were played in Kansas City and 3 against UT who is 0-5 in championship game appearances. Hello home court advantage.

5 of the 6 championship game wins were played against a South school.

MU and ISU have each won it 1 time both had to beat a south school in the championship game.

OU and OSU had a 5 year stretch between the 2 with 5 championships, 3 of the 5 championship games had 2 south teams.

Only 1 time in 13 years has the North had 2 teams square off in the championship game. The very first year 1997 KU vs MU in Kansas City.

Kansas City has hosted the big 12 championship 8 of 13 years, this year will be 9 of 14. Clearly Big 12 North country and a huge advantage for KU.

The South has 15 championship game appearances and the North has 11, 7 of those are by 1 school KU. That means the little 5 in the North only have 4 championship game appearances in 13 years that is terrible.

5 of the 6 south teams have at least one big 12 championship game appearance, the north has had 3 teams in the big game.

The South has 75 big 12 tourney wins and the North has 66, 25 of the 66 are by one team KU.

The Bottom 6 each have less than 10 wins, 4 of those are north teams.

Team W/L totals
School W L Pct
Kansas 25 7 .781
Oklahoma 19 10 .655
Oklahoma State 18 11 .621
Missouri 15 12 .556
Texas 16 13 .552
Texas Tech 11 13 .458
Baylor 8 12 .400
Iowa State 7 12 .368
Colorado 7 13 .350
Kansas State 7 13 .350
Nebraska 5 13 .278
Texas A&M 3 13 .188

 

[Cheno]

Oh good grief you miss the point totally here. The big 12 tourney stat.'s prove the little 5 in the north suck and this gives KU a gimmie in the regular season. You are amazingly cluesless here. No one is arguing the fact KU has been the top team in the 12.

Huh? My comment wasn't arguing that....it was stating the team the wins the league championship has less to play for as opposed to teams fighting for their lives/seeeding. KU's a #1 seed regardless of what happens in KC.
That's why in a 3 day tourney anything can happen. 2 months of games is the real test.

 

[buttermaker1]

Huh? My comment wasn't arguing that....it was stating the team the wins the league championship has less to play for as opposed to teams fighting for their lives/seeeding. KU's a #1 seed regardless of what happens in KC.
That's why in a 3 day tourney anything can happen. 2 months of games is the real test.

LMAO - nice try you sound like Roy Williams saying the big 12 tourney doesn't mean squat after a early poundng. What a freakin joke. Again why are you defending KU here this is about the little 5 sucking in the big 12 tourney which proves everyone's point KU has a huge advantage playing in the North.

I am done discussing this with you are clueless here good grief take a breath and play on the Phog your yard.

 

[gracefor24]

Of course OU fans think that the conference tourney is the most important thing. The Conference Tournament is a nice achievement but I guarantee you if you ask every coach in the Big 12 which they would rather win it would be 100% the regular season title. If you win the regular season title it means you are the best team in the conference. That's not necessarily the case in the conference tournament.

 

[HoHum]

I've said it in a bunch of threads, but Season Championship is soooo much cooler. When OSU won it 03-04, I was way more pumped then when they won the 04-05 conference tournament.

 

[IntenseDefense]

I've said it in a bunch of threads, but Season Championship is soooo much cooler. When OSU won it 03-04, I was way more pumped then when they won the 04-05 conference tournament.

You should feel good about that title. It was won without the advantage of playing in the north.

But,IMO, basketball has always been,and will likely always be, a tournament sport.

 

[JBaker]

Of course OU fans think that the conference tourney is the most important thing. The Conference Tournament is a nice achievement but I guarantee you if you ask every coach in the Big 12 which they would rather win it would be 100% the regular season title. If you win the regular season title it means you are the best team in the conference. That's not necessarily the case in the conference tournament.

Then why do we play the NCAA Tournament if not to determine the best team in the country?
Why does any sport have a postseason? They don't prove who's the best anyway.

 

[bocabull]

They can redraw the big xii all they want and it will still be the weakest conference. Nothing will change the fact that most states that make up the conference are not appealing.

 

[gracefor24]

Then why do we play the NCAA Tournament if not to determine the best team in the country?
Why does any sport have a postseason? They don't prove who's the best anyway.

To compare the NCAA Tourney and a Conference Tourney isn't apples to apples. I agree, however, that it doesn't always prove to be the best team. Again, if you asked the coaches which they would rather win it would be the regular season over the tournament, imo.

 

[buttermaker1]

Of course OU fans think that the conference tourney is the most important thing. The Conference Tournament is a nice achievement but I guarantee you if you ask every coach in the Big 12 which they would rather win it would be 100% the regular season title. If you win the regular season title it means you are the best team in the conference. That's not necessarily the case in the conference tournament.

I am not saying the conference tourney is the most important thing. I am making a comment referring to the article and pointing out the fact the conference tourney results prove the point KU has a huge advantage playing in the North most years. Anyone that tries to dispute that fact is a homer.

KU would still be the dominate team in the 12 however no one can say KU would have earned as many number 1 seeds going into the big 12 tourney and therefore likely wouldn't have as many big 12 conference tourmey titles.

The more you argue this point the more homerish you appear. I haven't met one person with the execption of the KU posters on this website that agree with your opinion. I spent 13 years in KC I talk with plenty of KU and MU fans.