Tiny Gallon situation

[Boomah]

Take it for what it's worth, but I heard from a decent source yesterday that the reason we didn't bring the Long kid and the WVU transfer in for visits is that OU was told by the NCAA to hold back a scholarship because of the Gallon situation.

 

[okccpa]

I'd rather lose it this year than in 2012 or 2013

 

[garyeb2]

Take it for what it's worth, but I heard from a decent source yesterday that the reason we didn't bring the Long kid and the WVU transfer in for visits is that OU was told by the NCAA to hold back a scholarship because of the Gallon situation.

You know, I don't have any inside info or a source on this. But, those visits being cancelled was certainly curious. That circumstance could certainly have some legs. It is just my opinion and of course I could be wrong. I think you are probably right about something coming down by August. If it is two ships for one season, they have them to give and it will all be over. If it is only one, that is better and the Grandy Glaze kid that is still unsigned might pop back into the picture. JMO

 

[WTSooner]

OU was told by the NCAA to hold back a scholarship because of the Gallon situation.

I don't think the NCAA would say that.

Hey, OU, you might want to leave an empty scholarship this next year in case we decide to punish you by taking one of them.

First, the NCAA wouldn't care when OU lost a scholarship. Whether this year, or next year. Pretty sure they can't hand down a scholarship limitation on the current year, this late in the game. I'm sure OU would rather take it this year, and that is probably what happened. OU senses it may play out that way, so they went ahead and left one open. Not b/c the NCAA told them too though.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I don't think the NCAA would say that.

Hey, OU, you might want to leave an empty scholarship this next year in case we decide to punish you by taking one of them.

First, the NCAA wouldn't care when OU lost a scholarship. Whether this year, or next year. Pretty sure they can't hand down a scholarship limitation on the current year, this late in the game. I'm sure OU would rather take it this year, and that is probably what happened. OU senses it may play out that way, so they went ahead and left one open. Not b/c the NCAA told them too though.

100% correct .. see USC the ncaa doesn't care when the ships start going away just that they do ..

they wouldn't say this

 

[Capel's Mustache]

Anybody else have anything to add to this?

I thought Tiny wouldn't talk so the investigation is stalled

 

[Sawyer]

The NCAA may not say it, but OU could have suspected it on their own.

 

[vbdad]

We are expecting to hear something this August. Nobody will be surprised if we lose a scholarship which we would take this year. Hopefully firing Jeff will be enough and we won't have any sanctions.

 

[thegreyghost]

OU could penalize theirself 2 scholly's this year and hope the NCAA says OK

 

[Sooner Quick]

I don't think the NCAA would say that.

Hey, OU, you might want to leave an empty scholarship this next year in case we decide to punish you by taking one of them.

First, the NCAA wouldn't care when OU lost a scholarship. Whether this year, or next year. Pretty sure they can't hand down a scholarship limitation on the current year, this late in the game. I'm sure OU would rather take it this year, and that is probably what happened. OU senses it may play out that way, so they went ahead and left one open. Not b/c the NCAA told them too though.

This

 

[Darwin]

OU could penalize theirself 2 scholly's this year and hope the NCAA says OK

I agree, something close to that. OU investigates itself, reports to the ncaa and self imposes like the Sampson thing. Hopefully the ncaa says it's enough. Better would be no infractions committed at all.

 

[j2d2]

There is no excuse much less any reason for the national communists against athletes to keep this situation simmering. It's a backhand way of punishing OU because it has to hurt recruiting. What jerks-I dont want to get started on those skuds.

 

[WillJennings]

Take it for what it's worth, but I heard from a decent source yesterday that the reason we didn't bring the Long kid and the WVU transfer in for visits is that OU was told by the NCAA to hold back a scholarship because of the Gallon situation.

Sounds like you have good sources.

 

[Capel's Mustache]

Sounds like you have good sources.

Really? So there is some truth to this?

 

[SoonerSpock]

There is no excuse much less any reason for the national communists against athletes to keep this situation simmering. It's a backhand way of punishing OU because it has to hurt recruiting. What jerks-I dont want to get started on those skuds.

This has been standard operational procedure for the NCAA in virtually all situations with all schools. The only two exceptions I can think of his their quick ruling with tOSU in both the Smith and Pryor cases and Dez Bryant ruling at OSU.

They love to linger in their finding and punish by allowing other schools to negatively recruit with the pending probation pitch. The key is to be proactive and punish yourself asap bring their final resolution to a head much more quickly.

 

[bocabull]

The key is to stop blaming the NCAA for OU constantly violating the rules.

It's a disgrace.

 

[DenverSooner]

The key is to stop blaming the NCAA for OU constantly violating the rules.

It's a disgrace.

Constantly seems like a stretch. I also think there is much to criticize about the NCAA. They appear to act in a arbitrary manner. They also seem to often focus on minor things while saying things that most would agree are wrong (Cam Newton shopping himself for money) are fine.

I do agree that some OU fans do blame the NCAA unfairly at times.

 

[bocabull]

Constantly is a stretch?

Come on. Constantly is the correct description. If I was on the NCAA committee and OU was in front of me again I would be seriously rolling my eyes about being told "we didn't know he took money to get his transcripts".

 

[DenverSooner]

OU does not constantly violate he NCAA rules. OU has violated rules in the past and may do it in the future but your words imply (or I infer) that OU is some rogue program that ignores the rules. That simply isn't the case.

Additionally, I have seen nothing but circumstantial evidence that suggests OU knew Gallon got the loan. To the extent anyone is able to tie the circumstantial evidence to a former coach, it is an even further stretch to tie it to the head coach or higher authorities at OU. I am pretty confident the AD did not know about the loan and I question whether Capel knew.

With that said, I think a reasonable person could infer that Taliferro (or whatever his name is) may have known. I also believe it is reasonable to conclude that head coaches (at virtually all programs) don't want to know. That is, there is probably an unspoken rule within coaching and recruiting that is something like "don't break the rules and if you do break the rules don't tell me about it".

OU is a school that regularly self reports. When the starting quarterback was found to have taken illegal benefits he was gone, no questions asked. When it was determined that Tiny Gallon had a problem he was gone. OU is not perfect but it is also not "constantly" breaking the rules. I would personally say OU is about like all other major programs.

With respect to Sampson, compliance identified the problem, notified the NCAA and the NCAA told compliance to not alert Sampson so they could monitor the situation. Sampson should not have broken the rules but the NCAA pretty much screwed OU by letting it continue and then acting like it was a huge deal. Sampson's violations were not major. His biggest offense was being too hard headed to admit he made a mistake and then allegedly continuing to break rules at Indiana (and that has nothing to do with OU). OU received appropriate sanctions for those violations. Many other programs have had similar violations that resulted in less or even know sanctions. Duke played an inelligible player in a championship year and nothing happened. KU has had some major scandals with nothing happening (I am not sure if they were rules violations - the ticket scandal may not have been but the graduation presents were a violation).