Tiny Gallon
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They are still the rules.
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Nothing will ever change when people have your attitude on things.
I have absolutely no problem with a kid breaking a rule that prohibits him from getting a loan to pay his basketball factory high school to release his transcript so he can go to college. It's just one more example of the NCAA being a complete joke.
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Like him or not, Gallon was one of the most talented scoring posts that we have seen coming out of HS since maybe Jeff Webster?? Am I missing someone else? Hump averaged close to the same his freshman year, but I don't think he was as good offensively as Gallon...better shot blocker though. Bookout was okay.
He wasn't even a year removed from living with his mom. Kids fear their parents and they obey them to(at least to their face). I don't know Tiny or how much knowledge he had but I will say this...if you have a solid relationship with both or either of your parents and they decide not to do something...the majority of kids are not going to go against them.
I guarantee Tiny fears his mother more than the NCAA.
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Stupid.
You don't like the speed limit on the street you live on. So to get it changed, you just speed and get ticketed over and over?
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No. You don't. Because that would be ridiculous.
Comparing rules made by the elected government to rules created by the NCAA, a cartel created 100 years ago that has long outlived and overreached its original purpose, is ridiculous.
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My loyalty is to OU. Anyone who gets OU in trouble due to their own selfish actions, I stop rooting for.
Once OU was on the hot seat because of their actions, I expected Tiny, his mom, Taliaferro and anyone else involved to do the right thing by the university. Again, they weren't at risk of going to jail (and they gained nothing by not cooperating), so, if you screw up, step up. Cooperate with the investigation and get the matter straightened out.
Some will recall that I was very angry at Sampson when he left. Not so much that he got us in trouble (though that was bad enough), but that he then cut and run, that he wasn't man enough to face up to and guide OU through the troubles he created. I know he got a good job offer, but I don't care. You make a mess, you clean up that mess.
Time has softened my anger toward Kelvin, but if I think about the matter long enough, I get riled up again. And in any case, he contributed a lot more to Sooner basketball than Gallon ever did.
Gallon got suspended mid-season for some shenanigans or other, remember, and he was a key part of the most embarrassing, disheartening period of Sooner hoops that I've ever experienced. I don't despise him or denigrate him here -- I never bring him up (or anyone else from that era) -- but I have no fondness for him nor do I actively pull for him in his professional career. Why in the world would I? He and the rest of that crew did only harm to the university and the basketball program I love, and when the time came for him (and his mom) to step up and do the right thing by OU and its fans, they did the opposite.
Once OU was on the hot seat because of their actions, I expected Tiny, his mom, Taliaferro and anyone else involved to do the right thing by the university. Again, they weren't at risk of going to jail (and they gained nothing by not cooperating), so, if you screw up, step up. Cooperate with the investigation and get the matter straightened out.
Some will recall that I was very angry at Sampson when he left. Not so much that he got us in trouble (though that was bad enough), but that he then cut and run, that he wasn't man enough to face up to and guide OU through the troubles he created. I know he got a good job offer, but I don't care. You make a mess, you clean up that mess.
Time has softened my anger toward Kelvin, but if I think about the matter long enough, I get riled up again. And in any case, he contributed a lot more to Sooner basketball than Gallon ever did.
Gallon got suspended mid-season for some shenanigans or other, remember, and he was a key part of the most embarrassing, disheartening period of Sooner hoops that I've ever experienced. I don't despise him or denigrate him here -- I never bring him up (or anyone else from that era) -- but I have no fondness for him nor do I actively pull for him in his professional career. Why in the world would I? He and the rest of that crew did only harm to the university and the basketball program I love, and when the time came for him (and his mom) to step up and do the right thing by OU and its fans, they did the opposite.
So go after the mother, but what did Tiny do wrong? Cam Newton's Dad shopped him to various universities with a price tag of $180,000 to sign a LOI out of Juco but the NCAA allowed him to play because they couldn't prove Cam had anything to do with it.
What did Tiny do wrong? His Mom somehow got the money to release his transcript. There is absolutely no evidence that he had anything to do with securing the loan. Penalize his Mom but OU's assistant basketball coach was the real culprit.
Taliaferro and "loan"
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I've stated this more than once: It's my understanding that he refused to cooperate with the NCAA investigation, which hurt our standing with them. Even if it was just to appear before the NCAA investigators and tell them, "I'm sorry, I know nothing about this" (if that was the truth), he should have cooperated.
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What part of our legal system suggests people should cooperate when being investigated?
I will never take the side of the NCAA. That organization should be abolished.
I take the side of the NCAA and stand by them. You don't want to cooperate with them then be punished.
If I were him and had to choose with cooperating with the NCAA or backing my mother, I would have have done the same thing. Most kids would. Not cooperating with the NCAA was not a crime. It was his choice.
Had he cooperated with the NCAA he might have said some things about Taliaferro or Capel that would have hurt OU far worse than they were. Even if he didn't know a darned thing, he supported his mother's stance. He paid the price and was basically forced to drop out of OU when he really wanted to stay.
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Who's talking about the legal system? I've specified several times that this is NOT the legal system; it's intercollegiate athletics, which, like it or not, is governed by the NCAA, which has its own set of arcane rules.
If a school (or one of its athletes) opts not to cooperate with an investigation, the school is at risk of taking a bigger hit if it's found to have broken the rules. That's a plain fact. Were you guys ok with OU getting a harsher penalty because the trio involved in the illicit loan clammed up, as was suggested (if not stated outright) at the time?
I wasn't, and I'm still not.
I'm not sure where the loyalty to Gallon comes from. He didn't work hard while at OU, got suspended from the team during his one season, and was involved (peripherally, perhaps, but nonetheless) in a situation that put us on probation.
Well said!
Tiny averaged 10.3 points and 7.9 rebounds a game as an out of shape freshman. Not bad. It's better than nothing. Just think what he could have done the next 3 seasons if they had gotten him in shape. Most players make big improvements between their 1st and 2nd seasons.
That's better stats than any Sooner freshman big man other than Blake in the past 10-15 years. In spite of his problems he was a 2nd round draft choice. I wish he would have stayed.
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Ridiculous statement. Look, that team ended up not being very good when it was all said and done. They lacked chemistry and Warren was battling injuries it seemed like the whole season. Is that Tiny's fault?? NO! I'm not talking about the stuff in dealing with the NCAA, but when he played he gave it all he had and lost more sweat than any of you will admit. He was very talented in the post and was a bonafide threat to score every time he got the ball down there.
Like I said, you can dislike him all you want, but to make a statement like you did, just makes you look ridiculous. Just because you are able to attend some practices, doesn't make you an expert in the matter.
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Thank you Sperry. Some people simply lack the intelligence to know what a valid comparison means.
