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Arizona State (21-3) UNC (19-5)
Baylor (22-1) Notre Dame (23-2)
California (18-5) Oklahoma (15-7)
Duke (18-6) Oregon State (21-2)
Florida St. (22-2) South Carolina (22-1)
Geo. Washington (21-2) Stanford (17-7)
Iowa (19-4) Tennessee (20-3)
Kentucky (18-5) Texas A&M (18-6)
Louisville (20-3) UConn (23-1)
Maryland (22-2) Washington (18-6)
and Tennessee beat Baylor for the 4th no 1 seed.....I think that is a mistake but it isn't written in stone
Baylor (22-1) Notre Dame (23-2)
California (18-5) Oklahoma (15-7)
Duke (18-6) Oregon State (21-2)
Florida St. (22-2) South Carolina (22-1)
Geo. Washington (21-2) Stanford (17-7)
Iowa (19-4) Tennessee (20-3)
Kentucky (18-5) Texas A&M (18-6)
Louisville (20-3) UConn (23-1)
Maryland (22-2) Washington (18-6)
and Tennessee beat Baylor for the 4th no 1 seed.....I think that is a mistake but it isn't written in stone
OU's RPI (according to RPIratings.com) took a small hit, falling from 29th to 31st, but the SOS soared from 9th to 3rd.
How is this inportant? First, it's obvious that the selection committee is taking SOS very seriously, or the Sooners wouldn't have been on the list of 20 potential host teams. Second, none of the 30 teams ahead of OU has played as tough a schedule. The current toughest schedule belongs to Wisconsin, with a record of 8-15. Second is Vanderbilt at 12-11.
It's not easy to be 15-8 against that kind of schedule. OU's remaining regular season opponents are a combined 95-46. That doesn't count OU'S games in the Big 12 tourney, very possibly including a third game against lofty Baylor.
So it's entirely possible, even probable that OU will be #1 in SOS by Selection Sunday, with an RPI that easily could be in the low teens or even single digits.
By simple math each of the alphabetically listed teams in the group of 20 has a 75% chance of hosting the first two rounds, but the smart math says OU's chances are much better.
All the have to do is just take care of business.
How is this inportant? First, it's obvious that the selection committee is taking SOS very seriously, or the Sooners wouldn't have been on the list of 20 potential host teams. Second, none of the 30 teams ahead of OU has played as tough a schedule. The current toughest schedule belongs to Wisconsin, with a record of 8-15. Second is Vanderbilt at 12-11.
It's not easy to be 15-8 against that kind of schedule. OU's remaining regular season opponents are a combined 95-46. That doesn't count OU'S games in the Big 12 tourney, very possibly including a third game against lofty Baylor.
So it's entirely possible, even probable that OU will be #1 in SOS by Selection Sunday, with an RPI that easily could be in the low teens or even single digits.
By simple math each of the alphabetically listed teams in the group of 20 has a 75% chance of hosting the first two rounds, but the smart math says OU's chances are much better.
All the have to do is just take care of business.
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Uh, we've been having a bit of a problem taking care of business lately. Haven't you noticed? LOL
There are 8 teams doing a whole lot worse.
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Arizona State and Louisville will not host first and second round games because of previous committments for their facilities. Gymnastics for ASU and mens basketball for Louisville.
If you miss on ten football players, there are usually 75 others to take his place. I think Sherri missed on one aspect of recruiting, and it cost her.
Given Sherri's temperament, I don't think she conceived of having players who were supposedly great athletes who didn't have a fire in their gut. Such a player just wasn't in Sherri's imagination. She has a very similar temperament to that of Mulkey. She wants to win.
If you look at some of her recent recruits, they really looked good on paper. Last year, we had a senior guard who had been a McDonald's All-American. We had a post that had been a Parade All-American and POY from Wisconsin. We had a Coaches All-American forward who had been MVP of her All-American game. We had a point that Sherri had recruited as a freshman since she thought she was the heir of Sherri.
All had talent. They could do great things. They also were somewhat placid. They didn't hate to lose. Some were as good as freshmen as they ever became, if not better. There was no fire. They had outstanding talent. It just never came out on the court except for individual plays.
We have a post now in whom Sherri is enamored. It is interesting that she benched that post for our loss to Arkansas, and we won the next eight games. She has talent, but she just doesn't seem to learn how to use it. She hurt us early by throwing two passes to nobody in particular and getting a charging foul during the start of Baylor's run. She has never really shown up for a big game. She has the talent. She just doesn't have the fire to get better.
Someone who doesn't have the internal fire to improve must frustrate Sherri beyond belief. If she had someone else to go to, I doubt she would ever see the floor. But, we lost some people to career-ending injuries that might have helped.
It isn't that they are goody-two-shoes. Hand had the fire. Dales didn't exactly rob banks. They were good students who were winners. It's just that recently Sherri had picked up some players that didn't develop. They had the tools.
You want Gabbi and Peyton to light the fire. If you have a couple who get the fire going, the others are more likely to fall into place. The advantage that Kim has is that she has some girls who play over their heads, and, as we have seen with our team, if you get on a roll, everyone shoots well. Everyone rebounds. When you back off, nobody shoots well, and everyone looks incompetent. Our fire is young. Baylor has some fire that has played a year or two in their system. We really don't. This is the first year for our players who have fire.
I would like to see Gabbi and Peyton become the team leaders and call out those who aren't trying.
Incidentally, it isn't that Gabbi is a defensive liability. Like a lot of young stars, she has never really been trained in it. She has had to learn a lot on the fly, and she has learned it rapidly. She'll be a good defender.
Hopefully, Dungee, Nancy Mulkey, Llanusa, and Odimgbe have the fire.
Given Sherri's temperament, I don't think she conceived of having players who were supposedly great athletes who didn't have a fire in their gut. Such a player just wasn't in Sherri's imagination. She has a very similar temperament to that of Mulkey. She wants to win.
If you look at some of her recent recruits, they really looked good on paper. Last year, we had a senior guard who had been a McDonald's All-American. We had a post that had been a Parade All-American and POY from Wisconsin. We had a Coaches All-American forward who had been MVP of her All-American game. We had a point that Sherri had recruited as a freshman since she thought she was the heir of Sherri.
All had talent. They could do great things. They also were somewhat placid. They didn't hate to lose. Some were as good as freshmen as they ever became, if not better. There was no fire. They had outstanding talent. It just never came out on the court except for individual plays.
We have a post now in whom Sherri is enamored. It is interesting that she benched that post for our loss to Arkansas, and we won the next eight games. She has talent, but she just doesn't seem to learn how to use it. She hurt us early by throwing two passes to nobody in particular and getting a charging foul during the start of Baylor's run. She has never really shown up for a big game. She has the talent. She just doesn't have the fire to get better.
Someone who doesn't have the internal fire to improve must frustrate Sherri beyond belief. If she had someone else to go to, I doubt she would ever see the floor. But, we lost some people to career-ending injuries that might have helped.
It isn't that they are goody-two-shoes. Hand had the fire. Dales didn't exactly rob banks. They were good students who were winners. It's just that recently Sherri had picked up some players that didn't develop. They had the tools.
You want Gabbi and Peyton to light the fire. If you have a couple who get the fire going, the others are more likely to fall into place. The advantage that Kim has is that she has some girls who play over their heads, and, as we have seen with our team, if you get on a roll, everyone shoots well. Everyone rebounds. When you back off, nobody shoots well, and everyone looks incompetent. Our fire is young. Baylor has some fire that has played a year or two in their system. We really don't. This is the first year for our players who have fire.
I would like to see Gabbi and Peyton become the team leaders and call out those who aren't trying.
Incidentally, it isn't that Gabbi is a defensive liability. Like a lot of young stars, she has never really been trained in it. She has had to learn a lot on the fly, and she has learned it rapidly. She'll be a good defender.
Hopefully, Dungee, Nancy Mulkey, Llanusa, and Odimgbe have the fire.
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I actually think that outside of Edwards and LaNeshia we are remarkably slow and lack real quickness.
Syb, I don't disagree with you and I don't think you disagree with me on fire really. There's fire and then there's fire. We both know that. One kind, the best, burns through all top athletes like Durant and Westbrook, Blake, Tisdale, Perine or Steve Owens or Joe Washington.
There is never surrender. There is nothing less than full speed. There is a bit of an edge and attitude where a player or coach stands up, stomps their feet, spews a curse, gives the up-yours sign to the opposing player or ref and absolutely refuses to lose. That's the kind that almost gets you a technical or a 15-yard-penalty on occasion. It is the fire that demands everyone else be their best all of the time or else.
It's the type of fire where a running back knocks a defender 15 yards into the sideline refusing to stop. It's the type where you and your teammates slap the hardwood after a great score or defense and say "THIS GAME BELONGS TO US!"
Sometimes, in fact a lot of the time, I don't believe many of OU basketball girls have that. Softball girls do. I've seen that. That's the difference. You've watched both and OU football and Thunder basketball. You know, everyone knows, what I'm talking about.
Sherri doesn't have that, or doesn't let it out, except maybe in practice. It's the difference between Chamberlin and Kornet, Gasso or Stoops and Coale.
When's the last time you even remember Sherri getting in a ref's face or getting a T? I've lip read Bob Stoops blurt out a string of expletives on a sideline that would make a sailor blush.
Sherri doesn't work the refs. She's not fire and brimstone. Her team, her recruits and her players imitate what they see and know. Her. Frustrated, perhaps angry, but never loosing your cool.
It's not that Sherri or her players are not intense. It's not that they don't want to win. They do. But so often such victories take a near maniacal almost death-like wish.
Sherri and her teams don't have that.
Once, just once (OK, maybe twice, I'd like to see Sherri throw a chair across the court or spit on the floor at the foot of a referee. Or get thrown out for telling a ref to go "EFF yourself" in a lip-readable way from outside the coaches box.
That could be a difference maker for her, her players and this program.
Syb, I don't disagree with you and I don't think you disagree with me on fire really. There's fire and then there's fire. We both know that. One kind, the best, burns through all top athletes like Durant and Westbrook, Blake, Tisdale, Perine or Steve Owens or Joe Washington.
There is never surrender. There is nothing less than full speed. There is a bit of an edge and attitude where a player or coach stands up, stomps their feet, spews a curse, gives the up-yours sign to the opposing player or ref and absolutely refuses to lose. That's the kind that almost gets you a technical or a 15-yard-penalty on occasion. It is the fire that demands everyone else be their best all of the time or else.
It's the type of fire where a running back knocks a defender 15 yards into the sideline refusing to stop. It's the type where you and your teammates slap the hardwood after a great score or defense and say "THIS GAME BELONGS TO US!"
Sometimes, in fact a lot of the time, I don't believe many of OU basketball girls have that. Softball girls do. I've seen that. That's the difference. You've watched both and OU football and Thunder basketball. You know, everyone knows, what I'm talking about.
Sherri doesn't have that, or doesn't let it out, except maybe in practice. It's the difference between Chamberlin and Kornet, Gasso or Stoops and Coale.
When's the last time you even remember Sherri getting in a ref's face or getting a T? I've lip read Bob Stoops blurt out a string of expletives on a sideline that would make a sailor blush.
Sherri doesn't work the refs. She's not fire and brimstone. Her team, her recruits and her players imitate what they see and know. Her. Frustrated, perhaps angry, but never loosing your cool.
It's not that Sherri or her players are not intense. It's not that they don't want to win. They do. But so often such victories take a near maniacal almost death-like wish.
Sherri and her teams don't have that.
Once, just once (OK, maybe twice, I'd like to see Sherri throw a chair across the court or spit on the floor at the foot of a referee. Or get thrown out for telling a ref to go "EFF yourself" in a lip-readable way from outside the coaches box.
That could be a difference maker for her, her players and this program.
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First, I am NOT saying get rid of Sherri, but I do not think that last year was all on the players. With no more than we know, I have to think it was more on Sherri. I won't get into the individual players and how good they were or were supposed to be....think that is an area that good be discussed, but will leave that to others if they want to do so. As far as players not developing, that has to be part on Sherri also. Part of the job of a coach is to develop players. I do not see that as one of Sherri's strong suits for whatever reason.
As far as players not having the fire, that too is partially the coach. Some players have confidence and go for it. Gabbi is a freshman, she has less pressure. She also seems to have the personality of no fear and part of that is confidence. Peyton is Peyton...doesn't get rattled. Believe Maddie could be the same but we don't know the injuries have affected her mentally, physically, emotionally nor just her general basketball ability. If she stays healthy, she should get there. I think Gioya developed more self-confidence in her play but it has taken a hit. I don't think she has that moxie nor ever had it, just believe she had slowed down her game and was playing better. Not sure how self-confident she felt, though she may have thought it in her head. Also, the young women may like each other but that doesn't mean that they play together well. Maybe some feel they are not as trusted as others to have the ball......whether it is true or not. My point is there are all sorts of reasons for a player not playing like Gabbi and Peyton and I feel like they play with no fear of screwing up. That is when you play with the fire you are talking about. I don't see that in some of the other players but do see it in others.
I guess I believe part of this is on Sherri ...recruiting, coaching, developing, inspiring.........all part of the things which make a good coach. NOT saying it is all on her nor all on the players. BASICALLY, we do not know what is going on... BUT the ultimate responsibility is on Sherri.
As far as players not having the fire, that too is partially the coach. Some players have confidence and go for it. Gabbi is a freshman, she has less pressure. She also seems to have the personality of no fear and part of that is confidence. Peyton is Peyton...doesn't get rattled. Believe Maddie could be the same but we don't know the injuries have affected her mentally, physically, emotionally nor just her general basketball ability. If she stays healthy, she should get there. I think Gioya developed more self-confidence in her play but it has taken a hit. I don't think she has that moxie nor ever had it, just believe she had slowed down her game and was playing better. Not sure how self-confident she felt, though she may have thought it in her head. Also, the young women may like each other but that doesn't mean that they play together well. Maybe some feel they are not as trusted as others to have the ball......whether it is true or not. My point is there are all sorts of reasons for a player not playing like Gabbi and Peyton and I feel like they play with no fear of screwing up. That is when you play with the fire you are talking about. I don't see that in some of the other players but do see it in others.
I guess I believe part of this is on Sherri ...recruiting, coaching, developing, inspiring.........all part of the things which make a good coach. NOT saying it is all on her nor all on the players. BASICALLY, we do not know what is going on... BUT the ultimate responsibility is on Sherri.
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We disagree on that aspect of Sherri. Sherri built this program out of nothing because of her fire. They began to win with Whaley and nothing else. They went to the title game with nobody that would have been a national recruit. But, they had what their coach had, fire. I think Sherri may be the most internally burning coach at OU. She has to be. She has had to operate with some disadvantages that some others don't have.
Not yelling at refs. Well, she actually does. Is she like Mulkey. Nobody should be allowed to be like Mulkey. She is an embarrassment to Baylor, the Big Twelve, and to women's basketball. She will never be recognized or honored by her peers because they despise her.
Sherri is an adult. She acts like an adult on the bench. It is about being an example to her players and the fans. It is about teaching. She gets that.
I think you have missed that aspect. She and Dales hit it off because of that. Sherri honored Dales for a reason. She is Sherri, and we have heard what Stacy was like. When Sherri compares someone to Stacy, that is high praise.
Not yelling at refs. Well, she actually does. Is she like Mulkey. Nobody should be allowed to be like Mulkey. She is an embarrassment to Baylor, the Big Twelve, and to women's basketball. She will never be recognized or honored by her peers because they despise her.
Sherri is an adult. She acts like an adult on the bench. It is about being an example to her players and the fans. It is about teaching. She gets that.
I think you have missed that aspect. She and Dales hit it off because of that. Sherri honored Dales for a reason. She is Sherri, and we have heard what Stacy was like. When Sherri compares someone to Stacy, that is high praise.
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I didn't miss it, Syb, I just don't think most coaches, even women's basketball coaches, keep it all bottled up. I'm not advocating a twice a week tantrum show like Mulkey. Never said I wanted Sherri to be like Mulkey. I don't. Although if a coach was going to pull off her jacket, I'd much rather it be Sherri than Mulkey (Sorry, I know that was sexist, but... I'm just sayin')
But once in a while, it's necessary. Like getting teed up in a game like Baylor. Or when the Big 12 refs people like to complain about are hosing us steadily.
Or yanking a kid and giving them a good tongue lashing that starts with "WTH is the matter with you" and telling them not to sit next to you when they are subbed out, but put them on the bench in the dog house, let them mull it over, and then put them back in when you are ready.
As the Nanci Griffith song goes... "Just once. Just once in a very blue moon, and I feel one coming on on soon."
I previously posted that I hoped that the women's selection committee had coordinated with the men's committee in case some teams couldn't host because of facilities overload with men's and women's tourneys at the same site.
Clearly, they didn't. That means the other 14 teams (minus the two who can't host) are in competition to host at 12 sites. That means the average chance of hosting for those who weren't selected as #1 seed candidates has increased from 75% to 87.5%.
OU is almost surely going to be one of them.