Tulsa beat Creighton by 13

[AdaSooner]

Please tell me what's different from the past 2 seasons. Talent level has not increased. It's actually declined based on recruiting rankings. Experience has not increased. Coaching staff the same. Why are we supposed to be different? The only thing different is this group has played their entire career under Kruger whereas Osby, Pledger, Clark, etc played under both Capel & Kruger. But we have seen nothing to make us believe Kruger is a better coach. All we know is he aims lower in recruiting and makes fewer mistakes by not gambling on higher rated guys who have warts.

One thing is for sure, nothing about you has changed. I can't figure out if you're a troll who enjoys getting people riled up, or you're just an unhappy person who doesn't like it when others try to be positive about the future of our basketball program?

Take a look at your posting history when you get the chance, and count the number of complimentary posts you have made about this OU team, Lon Kruger or anything remotely related to OU basketball since the season started. Better still, count the number of positive posts since he arrived on campus. Trust me, it won't take long.

I have defended your right to voice an opinion over the years. But I'm telling you now that it has become increasingly difficult to not only justify coming to your defense, but to allow you to come here at all. If that sounds like I'm fed up, congratulations for finally getting the idea! Judging by the response to your posts of late, I'm not the only one.

Fair warning: Crap like this is wearing thin on me! I don't mind when posters express their thoughts in at least a semi-constructive manner by offering facts, instead of worn-out rhetoric to justify their position. That's not what you're doing, though. Most of your posts are designed to get a rise out of people. Find a new way to pass the time or find a new board!

And, don't bother responding to anything I've said. I've had enough and the debate is over!

 

[tycat947]

I mean, aside from the fact that Kruger has 2 losing seasons in the last 15 years (one of them because of Capel), and Capel had 2 in 5 years. And the Final Four, and the fact that Kruger actually has a job as a head basketball coach.

That pretty much sums it up!

 

[KBaden145]

One thing is for sure, nothing about you has changed. I can't figure out if you're a troll who enjoys getting people riled up, or you're just an unhappy person who doesn't like it when others try to be positive about the future of our basketball program?



Take a look at your posting history when you get the chance, and count the number of complimentary posts you have made about this OU team, Lon Kruger or anything remotely related to OU basketball since the season started. Better still, count the number of positive posts since he arrived on campus. Trust me, it won't take long.



I have defended your right to voice an opinion over the years. But I'm telling you now that it has become increasingly difficult to not only justify coming to your defense, but to allow you to come here at all. If that sounds like I'm fed up, congratulations for finally getting the idea! Judging by the response to your posts of late, I'm not the only one.



Fair warning: Crap like this is wearing thin on me! I don't mind when posters express their thoughts in at least a semi-constructive manner by offering facts, instead of worn-out rhetoric to justify their position. That's not what you're doing, though. Most of your posts are designed to get a rise out of people. Find a new way to pass the time or find a new board!



And, don't bother responding to anything I've said. I've had enough and the debate is over!

Thanks Ada.


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[bocabull]

Since nobody answered my question here is what I say is different from last season. We're replacing Clark, Neal and Hornbeak with Thomas, Walker and Lattin. One could easily conclude that's a downgrade and at a minimum we are treading water this season.

Yes the other guys are a year older but so is every other D1 player who isn't a freshman. Have we seen any tangible improvement so far from our returning guys?

To get to 12-6 last season we swept Baylor, a down Texas team and OSU by winning by 3 in Stillwater right after the Smart suspension. Do we really expect to sweep Texas, Baylor & OSU again? Texas Tech is improved. TCU is improved. It's KSU has dropped off a bit.

To say we likely are the same as last season is based in reality. I welcome any reasoned response to the contrary. Of course all I usually get is insulted. But no biggie. Rolls right off my back.

 

[pnkranger]

To say we likely are the same as last season is based in reality. I welcome any reasoned response to the contrary. Of course all I usually get is insulted. But no biggie. Rolls right off my back.

Here's some reality: our defense is trending as a top 10 defense (ranked 6 at Ken Pom) against one of the better schedules played by a power conference school to this point. That is significant, quantitative AND qualitative improvement over last year's squad. Are we worse on offense? To this point, yes, but our defense has improve by 85 spots ...

Three of last year's final four teams had top 10 defenses. Only one team (wisconsin) had a worse defense ... but they had maybe the best offense in the country.

 

[bocabull]

Here's some reality: our defense is trending as a top 10 defense (ranked 6 at Ken Pom) against one of the better schedules played by a power conference school to this point. That is significant, quantitative AND qualitative improvement over last year's squad. Are we worse on offense? To this point, yes, but our defense has improve by 85 spots ...

Three of last year's final four teams had top 10 defenses. Only one team (wisconsin) had a worse defense ... but they had maybe the best offense in the country.

Fair enough. If that trend continues we will pick off some of those road games. Defense translates better to road games than offense.

 

[OUBig12Champs]

Well I will say this, "bocabull" makes some solid points on this topic in this thread. Regardless of whether or not he is or isn't a troll, this is a chat board and just because he does not always pump the Kool Aide he should be able to express himself. JMTCW..........

This team is NOT as good as last years team, I thought it may be, but at this point it is NOT. They may become a better team this year than last, that is yet to be seen. This team really needs help at POINT Guard! I know there is a lot of love for Woodard, but people I really think he needs to grow up and get tougher! Buddy is good (shoots too much at times), but he is not better than players we have had in the past. I think the best player on the team may be Cousins, but he has yet to really show up this season as well.

Kruger, hands down the best Game Day coach this program has had in many years. Really think he is a better Game Day coach than Sampson is or Tubbs was. The thing with Kruger is, and not that it is a problem, he typically only takes high quality/caliber kids (like bocabull stated, and oh it is true), not the one and done type kid or the kid that has a shaded past. Again, I am not saying that that is all bad.

I guess I am saying "I am a TROLL"??????????

I love this board and all the comments made, they make me laugh and cuss! But hey that is why I always come back!

Take Care!

 

[pnkranger]

I will agree that this year's november team is not as good as last year's february team. That is as it should be. The thing I take issue with is claiming that this year's team WON'T be better than last year's team at any point. That is utter BS. We are more balanced, taller, longer, and more athletic. If we had Buford, this team would have been significantly different...

Don't forget that in mid-december last year we let UT Arlington and Tulsa combine to score 170 points on ... and only beat UTA by 2.

 

[snydrosooner]

I'm prety sure that Creighton played in mid-season form and about as good as they could play. Not surprised that they cannot keep that up.

In my mind its not that they lost that game. Its up by 18. OU should have not lost that game when you have the experience they have and up by 18. Loss I would of understood. Loss like they did is hard. And its not Creighton, it would be anybody that we had an 18 point lead on and screw it up.

 

[garyeb2]

Since nobody answered my question here is what I say is different from last season. We're replacing Clark, Neal and Hornbeak with Thomas, Walker and Lattin. One could easily conclude that's a downgrade and at a minimum we are treading water this season.

Yes the other guys are a year older but so is every other D1 player who isn't a freshman. Have we seen any tangible improvement so far from our returning guys?

To get to 12-6 last season we swept Baylor, a down Texas team and OSU by winning by 3 in Stillwater right after the Smart suspension. Do we really expect to sweep Texas, Baylor & OSU again? Texas Tech is improved. TCU is improved. It's KSU has dropped off a bit.

To say we likely are the same as last season is based in reality. I welcome any reasoned response to the contrary. Of course all I usually get is insulted. But no biggie. Rolls right off my back.

Thomas, Walker, and Lattin would beat Clark, Neal, and Hornbeak in a 3 on 3 game by 20.

 

[OUBig12Champs]

It is just that people do not read the post. Really think that is what it is! pnkranger, never said this team would not be as good as they where last year, never said that!

Rock On!!

 

[bocabull]

Thomas, Walker, and Lattin would beat Clark, Neal, and Hornbeak in a 3 on 3 game by 20.

Doubtful. Last years 3 averaged 27 ppg. So far this years 3 has averaged 17 ppg and we know those averages tend to decline once conference play starts.

I agree with pnkranger that losing Buford was a big blow. Softened of course by Thomas. But not completely.

 

[thebigabd]

It's possible Lattin could be playing less than 6-10 minutes a game come conference time.

 

[DenverSooner]

Why does that matter?

I don't look for Lattin to do much this season other than bring some energy off the bench and not get OU beat if OU has first half foul trouble.

 

[stormspencer]

Here's some reality: our defense is trending as a top 10 defense (ranked 6 at Ken Pom) against one of the better schedules played by a power conference school to this point. That is significant, quantitative AND qualitative improvement over last year's squad. Are we worse on offense? To this point, yes, but our defense has improve by 85 spots ...

Three of last year's final four teams had top 10 defenses. Only one team (wisconsin) had a worse defense ... but they had maybe the best offense in the country.

I'm a believer in metrics/analytics. This is an outstanding post. From a metrics perspective, we are miles ahead of where we were last year defensively.

 

[StatGeek]

One thing is for sure, nothing about you has changed. I can't figure out if you're a troll who enjoys getting people riled up, or you're just an unhappy person who doesn't like it when others try to be positive about the future of our basketball program?

Take a look at your posting history when you get the chance, and count the number of complimentary posts you have made about this OU team, Lon Kruger or anything remotely related to OU basketball since the season started. Better still, count the number of positive posts since he arrived on campus. Trust me, it won't take long.

I have defended your right to voice an opinion over the years. But I'm telling you now that it has become increasingly difficult to not only justify coming to your defense, but to allow you to come here at all. If that sounds like I'm fed up, congratulations for finally getting the idea! Judging by the response to your posts of late, I'm not the only one.

Fair warning: Crap like this is wearing thin on me! I don't mind when posters express their thoughts in at least a semi-constructive manner by offering facts, instead of worn-out rhetoric to justify their position. That's not what you're doing, though. Most of your posts are designed to get a rise out of people. Find a new way to pass the time or find a new board!

And, don't bother responding to anything I've said. I've had enough and the debate is over!

:woot

 

[bgrch1350]

Thomas, Walker, and Lattin would beat Clark, Neal, and Hornbeak in a 3 on 3 game by 20.

I doubt that since all 3 can shoot 3's.

 

[DenverSooner]

I wonder which three are the most athletic. People don't like to admit how athletic Neal was. That guy could jump, shoot and handle the ball all with size. He would be a problem in a thre on three setting.

 

[bgrch1350]

Doubtful. Last years 3 averaged 27 ppg. So far this years 3 has averaged 17 ppg and we know those averages tend to decline once conference play starts.

I agree with pnkranger that losing Buford was a big blow. Softened of course by Thomas. But not completely.

OU is better this year. Even though losing hornbeak and buford, the starting 5 is a step above last year. We have 2 solid post players which we lacked last year and returning 4 starters and a 5th starter in thomas who started for another team is going to help this team.

Seeing that lattin didnt crack the lineup against wisconsin, it shows that we only have 3 guys on the bench. I think this has played a role on why the 2nd half we keep losing leads.