Well, football sucks. Bring on BBall season!

[SoonerBounce13]

I'm coming around to this way of thinking. I like what we're doing schematically and, with an uptick in recruiting, I feel pretty good about the future.


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i think our schemes are the issues.

The football braniacs had a good article friday. we were always out of position on defense

 

[stormspencer]

Recruiting and player development has declined over several years. Recruiting the top players requires continuous communication from several coaches / support staff.

I believe this is the main culprit. And I also believe that it is not all on the coaches. I think the players bear a portion of the responsibility in this way...it's their responsibility to be "film-nuts" and students of the game. I don't know if this is the case or not with this team, but the perception in our losses is that they are too many missed assignments and players too often aren't in a position to make plays. The other piece to this is execution (i.e. form tackling, proper blocking, QB making the correct read, etc.). This can be corrected by visual study and repetition in practice. In the end, the player has to "want to get better" if they are going to be successful at an elite level. And of course, our coaches should scheme and game-plan in a way that provides an opportunity for the players they have to be as successful as possible.

 

[stormspencer]

Texas sucks!....that is all.

P.S. I'm ready for some hoops.

 

[SoonerSpock]

No big deal, but 2003 was the only bust in terms of recruiting. 2004 wasn't as strong as we thought because of Rhett Bomar and Chris Patterson, but it still featured Adrian Peterson. The 2005 class was really good and the 2006 class was one of the best in the history of the school. Things fell off a cliff starting in 2007.

Cannot for get the 2010 class. Tony Jefferson, Brennan Clay, Blake Bell, Corey Nelson, Kenny Stills, Roy Finch, Bronson Irwin, Tyrus Thompson, Geneo Grissom, Daryl Williams, Aaron Franklin, Quentin Hayes, Austin Woods, Daniel Noble, Torrea Peterson, Adam Shead, Trey Millard, Chuka Ndulue, Aaron Colvin, Julian Wilson, Rashod Favors, Trey Franks, Damon Williams, Tony Feo, Joseph Powell, Sheldon McLain, James Haynes, Austin Haywood.

Better than 20 members of that class were producers. Probably the best class (#4 behind Florida, Texas and USC per 247Sports Composite) in Stoops career. Also his last top 10 class until the pending 2017 class.


http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

http://oklahoma.247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/Commits

 

[SoonerSpock]

No big deal, but 2003 was the only bust in terms of recruiting. 2004 wasn't as strong as we thought because of Rhett Bomar and Chris Patterson, but it still featured Adrian Peterson. The 2005 class was really good and the 2006 class was one of the best in the history of the school. Things fell off a cliff starting in 2007.

Cannot for get the 2010 class. Tony Jefferson, Brennan Clay, Blake Bell, Corey Nelson, Kenny Stills, Roy Finch, Bronson Irwin, Tyrus Thompson, Geneo Grissom, Daryl Williams, Aaron Franklin, Quentin Hayes, Austin Woods, Daniel Noble, Torrea Peterson, Adam Shead, Trey Millard, Chuka Ndulue, Aaron Colvin, Julian Wilson, Rashod Favors, Trey Franks, Damon Williams, Tony Feo, Joseph Powell, Sheldon McLain, James Haynes, Austin Haywood.

Better than 20 members of the 2010 class were producers. Probably the best class (#4 behind Florida, Texas and USC per 247Sports Composite) in Stoops career. Also his last top 10 class until the pending 2017 class. The 2008, 2009 and 2010 classes were ranked #5, #8 and #4. Four top 8 recruiting classes in 4 years is outstanding recruiting.

The fall off really started in 2011 with Nebraska and Colorado leaving the conference followed by Mizzou and aTm the following year. Plus Texas' demise on the gridiron started in 2010 and begin impacting B12 recruiting in 2011 continuing to this day.

http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

http://oklahoma.247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/Commits

 

[SoonerSpock]

No big deal, but 2003 was the only bust in terms of recruiting. 2004 wasn't as strong as we thought because of Rhett Bomar and Chris Patterson, but it still featured Adrian Peterson. The 2005 class was really good and the 2006 class was one of the best in the history of the school. Things fell off a cliff starting in 2007.

Cannot for get the 2010 class. Tony Jefferson, Brennan Clay, Blake Bell, Corey Nelson, Kenny Stills, Roy Finch, Bronson Irwin, Tyrus Thompson, Geneo Grissom, Daryl Williams, Aaron Franklin, Quentin Hayes, Austin Woods, Daniel Noble, Torrea Peterson, Adam Shead, Trey Millard, Chuka Ndulue, Aaron Colvin, Julian Wilson, Rashod Favors, Trey Franks, Damon Williams, Tony Feo, Joseph Powell, Sheldon McLain, James Haynes, Austin Haywood.

Better than 20 members of the 2010 class were producers. Probably the best class (#4 behind Florida, Texas and USC per 247Sports Composite) in Stoops career. Also his last top 10 class until the pending 2017 class. The 2008, 2009 and 2010 classes were ranked #5, #8 and #4. Four top 8 recruiting classes in 4 years is outstanding recruiting.

The fall off really started in 2011 with Nebraska and Colorado leaving the conference followed by Mizzou and aTm the following year. Plus Texas' demise on the gridiron started in 2010 and begin impacting B12 recruiting in 2011 continuing to this day. Our recruiting classes starting in 2011 were ranked #13, #12, #16, #14 and #14 which is below what the Sooners need to sign to be a consistent contender for the CFP.

http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

http://oklahoma.247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/Commits

 

[WaymanFan]

I understood you the first time, SoonerSpock . I didn't forget the 2010 class. It was actually pretty good after three straight mediocre ones, but it didn't elevate the program. That class had more producing players than the 2006 class, but it lacked the star power that wins championships. Just look at the guys you mentioned...lots of productivity, but not much in the way of keeping opposing offensive or defensive coordinators up at night. There was no Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Gerald McCoy, or Trent Williams in that 2010 class. Heck, if Murray wasn't injured, I don't see how that class wouldn't have led us to a Natty in 2008.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I understood you the first time, SoonerSpock . I didn't forget the 2010 class. It was actually pretty good after three straight mediocre ones, but it didn't elevate the program. That class had more producing players than the 2006 class, but it lacked the star power that wins championships. Just look at the guys you mentioned...lots of productivity, but not much in the way of keeping opposing offensive or defensive coordinators up at night. There was no Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Gerald McCoy, or Trent Williams in that 2010 class. Heck, if Murray wasn't injured, I don't see how that class wouldn't have led us to a Natty in 2008.

li
No question if Marco is healthy we would possibly have won the BCS championship in 2008. However all we can do in that regard is speculate. Injuries are a major part of all football teams and seasons and they cannot be used as excuses for team failures or support for the argument that we would have won except for the injuries. Some years your team goes virtually injury free and excel like the Sooners did in 2000 and again in 2015. Other years like 2009 and 2016 the injury bug surfaces and it becomes difficult to win the games we should win much less compete for national honors.

Luck/good fortune is always a major factor in the determination of the eventual champion. It is what it is.

 

[Sooner04]

Florida scored when they knocked on the door. We did not. Injuries, schminjuries.

Bob's whole tenure looks different if we finish the job in 2008. Losing that one really hurt. And then we wasted an absolutely monster defense the next year with Landry. Five picks in Lincoln, good grief.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

The OL gets every bit as much of the blame as LJ does in that one IMO. Suh's stats would've been better in that game but he was too busy laughing at what we were putting in front of him. I'm no fan of his to say the least, but I do give credit where it's due & as far as I'm concerned, he should've won the Heisman that year. That guy simply could not be blocked.

 

[Sooner04]

You Landry apologists! The Texas Tech-ization of the Oklahoma offense!

 

[cjhsooner]

I feel like those waiting for basketball season to save them are going to be in trouble. I just don't see a great quality roster. There is very little post depth, and that plagued OU a lot last season. Kruger can't buy a big man, aside from Lattin. It could be a long season for OU, in my opinion.

 

[usedtobe1]

I think the football team will finish 10-2 or 9-3, be B12 champs, and go to a good bowl game (Sugar Bowl to play A&M and Trevor??). With such a young basketball team, OU will have their struggles and not be ranked as high. JMHO.

 

[CoachTalk]

I feel like those waiting for basketball season to save them are going to be in trouble. I just don't see a great quality roster. There is very little post depth, and that plagued OU a lot last season. Kruger can't buy a big man, aside from Lattin. It could be a long season for OU, in my opinion.

Tough thoughts there. I think the opposite. I think the sweet 16 is a good start.

Great quality roster? It may be the best roster Coach Kruger has ever had. Its young and athletic.

Post depth hurt at times but ryan spangler carried us to the final 4 in the post.

Buy a big man? Athletic 4 and 5's is what Kruger wants, Now with the big from istanbul...(finland i know) he has some options when he gets here but we will be just fine..


Do I predict a final 4? No. Do I think we can finish in the top 4 of the Big 12 yes.

 

[NickZepp]

We won't have a Buddy Hield on the roster but I expect a good, young team. Probably around 19-24 wins. Possibly a NCAA Tourney win or two. Not a final 4 team like last year but real solid year and we'll really like our future with a few young guys stepping up. Woodard will probably be our star player and probably be our main guy on offense. Won't be Buddy good but still around 15 ppg possibly a bit more.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This year will be frustrating at times but really fun to watch. I'd be very pleased with 20 wins and a victory in the tourney.

I remember when Hield, Cousins, and Hornebeak were freshman. I found that season to be pretty funny b/c of all the new pieces

 

[WaymanFan]

li
No question if Marco is healthy we would possibly have won the BCS championship in 2008. However all we can do in that regard is speculate. Injuries are a major part of all football teams and seasons and they cannot be used as excuses for team failures or support for the argument that we would have won except for the injuries. Some years your team goes virtually injury free and excel like the Sooners did in 2000 and again in 2015. Other years like 2009 and 2016 the injury bug surfaces and it becomes difficult to win the games we should win much less compete for national honors.

Luck/good fortune is always a major factor in the determination of the eventual champion. It is what it is.

Bad choice of words on my part. DeMarco was such a huge part of that 2008 team, but I wasn't trying to make any excuses regarding that game. My point was that the 2006 class was one of those championship caliber recruiting classes we need to have every 3-4 years which could be a huge factor in winning a title. If the 2007 or 2008 class was more like the 2010 class u mentioned, that would have given us a chance to compete for multiple titles.

 

[inoref]

I understood you the first time, SoonerSpock . I didn't forget the 2010 class. It was actually pretty good after three straight mediocre ones, but it didn't elevate the program. That class had more producing players than the 2006 class, but it lacked the star power that wins championships. Just look at the guys you mentioned...lots of productivity, but not much in the way of keeping opposing offensive or defensive coordinators up at night. There was no Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Gerald McCoy, or Trent Williams in that 2010 class. Heck, if Murray wasn't injured, I don't see how that class wouldn't have led us to a Natty in 2008.

FL was the better team overall, OU could not stop them when they had to

 

[WTSooner]

You Landry apologists! The Texas Tech-ization of the Oklahoma offense!

Not at all. Might have felt that way after Bradford left, but we didn't have that kind of talent around for Landry. Matter of fact, we didn't have nearly enough talent around for Landry. He is a different looking QB if we do.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

I guess I should've just waited another few weeks to make the thread title "The Big 12 is really, really down this year"