Why does Neal play?

Who would you suggest get those minutes? Fran Jr? Maybe just let the guys foul out?
 
Just slow the game down. Fitz can stand in the middle and at least take up space. What good does Neal do standing in the corner? He comes in the game and our lead evaporates. 10-3 SDSU run
 
soonerhoops2012 said:
Just slow the game down. Fitz can stand in the middle and at least take up space. What good does Neal do standing in the corner? He comes in the game and our lead evaporates. 10-3 SDSU run
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That wasn't all on Neal. I was watching. He had one bad defensive play that I saw. The same player that drove by Neal, drove by Cam, one of our best defenders, a couple of minutes later. It happens.
 
Foul trouble? Come on, now. The only guys who were in foul trouble were guards. Clark didn't have a single foul and played about the same amount. Kruger obviously thought Neal would be valuable, for whatever reason.
 
treebranch said:
Foul trouble? Come on, now. The only guys who were in foul trouble were guards. Clark didn't have a single foul and played about the same amount. Kruger obviously thought Neal would be valuable, for whatever reason.
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Did you even watch the game?
 
I was wondering why Neal kept getting minutes too. I would rather have had Fitz take more minutes as we were ice cold on offense.
 
MsProudSooner said:
There was nothing wrong with Neal getting those minutes.
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I would rather slide Clark to the 3 for more of those minutes with Osby and M'baye.

Would love to know Neal's +/- this year. Guessing it would be ugly
 
WTSooner said:
Did you even watch the game?
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Every second. You can't treat guys with kid gloves in the tournament. 2 fouls with five minutes left in the first half (or 3 in the second half) is not foul trouble. Look around the tournament. You tell me how many teams play their 10th guy, who barely played at all the last month of the season, for what, 8 straight minutes, when nobody on the team has three fouls.

Pledger is the only guy who had four fouls before we started fouling on purpose.
 
treebranch said:
Every second. You can't treat guys with kid gloves in the tournament. 2 fouls with five minutes left in the first half (or 3 in the second half) is not foul trouble.
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I don't think there are very many D1 coaches who would agree with you. Tournament or not, no one wants players to have 3 fouls when the second half starts.
 
MsProudSooner said:
I don't think there are very many D1 coaches who would agree with you. Tournament or not, no one wants players to have 3 fouls when the second half starts.
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Of course nobody wants it. But, like I said, watch the other games. Most coaches don't do this. Georgetown just lost playing eight guys (they brought one guy in specifically to foul in the last minute) the entire game. They had twelve fouls in the first half and like 16 in the second. Three guys fouled out and another three finished with four. I believe three of them had 3 fouls in the first half.

Yet we bring in Neal with 8 minutes left in the half (and up 8) when Hornbeak gets his second. We play him at the three with Cam Clark on the bench (0 fouls) against a team with one big on its entire roster. He immediately lets a guy go right by him, which leads to a 3 point play. The next defensive possession he's guarding Jamaal F. Franklin, who dishes to a 3 when Grooms sinks down. 2 point lead.

He plays the entire rest of the half, during which we sub in Clark for M'Baye, Cousins for Grooms, Pledger (with 2 fouls) for Buddy (when he gets his 2nd), and M'Baye back in for Clark.

I'm guessing if anyone said on this board that Tyler Neal would get 8 minutes in the first half at the 3 with no player having three fouls, they would have been laughed at.

Look, I love Coach Kruger, but that was a mistake. And it was a mistake because we weren't in foul trouble. At various points he chose Neal over Clark, Grooms, Hield, and Hornbeak. Only two of those guys were ever in even a semblance of foul trouble.
 
treebranch said:
Of course nobody wants it. But, like I said, watch the other games. Most coaches don't do this. Georgetown just lost playing eight guys (they brought one guy in specifically to foul in the last minute) the entire game. They had twelve fouls in the first half and like 16 in the second. Three guys fouled out and another three finished with four. I believe three of them had 3 fouls in the first half.

Yet we bring in Neal with 8 minutes left in the half (and up 8) when Hornbeak gets his second. We play him at the three with Cam Clark on the bench (0 fouls) against a team with one big on its entire roster. He immediately lets a guy go right by him, which leads to a 3 point play. The next defensive possession he's guarding Jamaal F. Franklin, who dishes to a 3 when Grooms sinks down. 2 point lead.

He plays the entire rest of the half, during which we sub in Clark for M'Baye, Cousins for Grooms, Pledger (with 2 fouls) for Buddy (when he gets his 2nd), and M'Baye back in for Clark.

I'm guessing if anyone said on this board that Tyler Neal would get 8 minutes in the first half at the 3 with no player having three fouls, they would have been laughed at.

Look, I love Coach Kruger, but that was a mistake. And it was a mistake because we weren't in foul trouble. At various points he chose Neal over Clark, Grooms, Hield, and Hornbeak. Only two of those guys were ever in even a semblance of foul trouble.
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Don't take this personally because I normally love your posts, but unless you are at practice every day you really have no clue what is the best move for the team. Kruger is there every day so he knows what is best and what isn't and this is a time we just have to trust him.

Maybe Neal's been busting his butt in practice while other players have been horse playing? Maybe Neal does everything right off the court where others aren't? Lots of factors go into who plays and the general public doesn't know anything about those factors. Only the coach and team.
 
treebranch said:
Of course nobody wants it. But, like I said, watch the other games. Most coaches don't do this. Georgetown just lost playing eight guys (they brought one guy in specifically to foul in the last minute) the entire game. They had twelve fouls in the first half and like 16 in the second. Three guys fouled out and another three finished with four. I believe three of them had 3 fouls in the first half.

Yet we bring in Neal with 8 minutes left in the half (and up 8) when Hornbeak gets his second. We play him at the three with Cam Clark on the bench (0 fouls) against a team with one big on its entire roster. He immediately lets a guy go right by him, which leads to a 3 point play. The next defensive possession he's guarding Jamaal F. Franklin, who dishes to a 3 when Grooms sinks down. 2 point lead.

He plays the entire rest of the half, during which we sub in Clark for M'Baye, Cousins for Grooms, Pledger (with 2 fouls) for Buddy (when he gets his 2nd), and M'Baye back in for Clark.

I'm guessing if anyone said on this board that Tyler Neal would get 8 minutes in the first half at the 3 with no player having three fouls, they would have been laughed at.

Look, I love Coach Kruger, but that was a mistake. And it was a mistake because we weren't in foul trouble. At various points he chose Neal over Clark, Grooms, Hield, and Hornbeak. Only two of those guys were ever in even a semblance of foul trouble.
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Well, a guy with a heck of a lot more college basketball wins than you, disagrees. I'll side with him.
 
Kruger has had the 2 fouls in the 1st half and you sit rule since he got here. Sometimes it has been a bit of a head scratcher. But, that is the way he does it. The players and everyone else known that is how he does it. I'm guessing that is how he is going to continue to do it.

There are 2 remedies. Players quit fouling or have a better player than Tyler on the bench. I doubt that players quit fouling. But, I bet he comes up with better bench players before too long.
 
treebranch said:
Of course nobody wants it. But, like I said, watch the other games. Most coaches don't do this. Georgetown just lost playing eight guys (they brought one guy in specifically to foul in the last minute) the entire game. They had twelve fouls in the first half and like 16 in the second. Three guys fouled out and another three finished with four. I believe three of them had 3 fouls in the first half.

Yet we bring in Neal with 8 minutes left in the half (and up 8) when Hornbeak gets his second. We play him at the three with Cam Clark on the bench (0 fouls) against a team with one big on its entire roster. He immediately lets a guy go right by him, which leads to a 3 point play. The next defensive possession he's guarding Jamaal F. Franklin, who dishes to a 3 when Grooms sinks down. 2 point lead.

He plays the entire rest of the half, during which we sub in Clark for M'Baye, Cousins for Grooms, Pledger (with 2 fouls) for Buddy (when he gets his 2nd), and M'Baye back in for Clark.

I'm guessing if anyone said on this board that Tyler Neal would get 8 minutes in the first half at the 3 with no player having three fouls, they would have been laughed at.

Look, I love Coach Kruger, but that was a mistake. And it was a mistake because we weren't in foul trouble. At various points he chose Neal over Clark, Grooms, Hield, and Hornbeak. Only two of those guys were ever in even a semblance of foul trouble.
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about the coaching, I think most coaches would rather have their better players have 3 fouls left than 2 to play with in the second half. It is what it is.
 
I hope TN has some success next year so we don't have to endure another bash Tyler Neal yr.......
 
And to be fair, Pledger did come back in with his two fouls for the final couple of minutes.
 
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