Why is Mulkey much better recruiter than SC

[sybarite]

Lauren chose to go to Baylor.

Consider what Baylor is now known for in athletic circles, a school so far gone into its own agenda that not only a coach, but a president had to resign. Kim Mulkey fits exactly into that athletic agenda. It isn't surprising that Baylor fans don't make the connection.

The Lauren that I saw in highschool played a bit differently than the one at Baylor. I liked the one in highschool better. The one at Baylor may win more games. Is that a positive? I think any young woman would best be served by going anywhere else.

 

[sybarite]

Because the truth really hurts! If you can recognize it. Just like the losses.

You really enjoy our losses. Don't you? You rise to the occasion with every defeat to clarify how far down the program has gone. Strangely enough, we are #18 in the rpi.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Mulkey recruits to a type. I think that a lot of players wouldn't want to play for Kim. But, she can attract a type of kid that responds to a persecution complex, a we-vs-they attitude. I was a bit surprised to see Cox go to Baylor, but not after watching her this year.



I suspect that a Breanna Stewart would tell Kim exactly what sort of lower earth climate she could find in which to live.



I do think Sherri has one weakness. She is a teacher and responds to the kid, like TT, who is exhuberant rather than talented or smart on the court. I don't think TT would play for any other coach in the Big Twelve.

I don't think most sports stars suffer from a persecution complex. That would lead them to doubting their self worth and ability, in addition to their ability to excel and would easily lead to depression.

That doesn't sound like sports stars that I've known or seen.


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[got mulk??]

Syb, so EVERY woman that is enrolled or an alumni of Baylor is scum and damaged?? My wife, mother, and sister would beg to differ! Your life would be so much more enjoyable without all the negativity and hate but I guess it would be empty.

 

[sybarite]

Syb, so EVERY woman that is enrolled or an alumni of Baylor is scum and damaged?? My wife, mother, and sister would beg to differ! Your life would be so much more enjoyable without all the negativity and hate but I guess it would be empty.

Nice try. My life is actually very enjoyable. But, I do despise Baylor and think the moniker that one poster owns as Hypocrite U is appropriate. I do question why any young woman would want to go to a school that has the history of Baylor with respect to Title IX and failure to protect women's rights. When two former players question why they were lied to by their coach about the protection of gay rights, that wouldn't really bother you?

You really don't understand why there is respect for Geno, but not for Kim? Geno wins, and wins, and wins. Yet, the claims of jealousy just don't seem to be there. People are only jealous of Baylor. Tennessee won for years and years, while people loved Pat Summit. But, people are only jealous of Baylor.

Eventually, I suspect Baylor will achieve what they deserve, a permanent asterisk.

 

[soonerstar]

Why would anyone disparage a young lady like Lauren Cox only because she plays for Baylor? I would love to have her at OU.

 

[MsProudSooner]

To get back to the original question, I think there is one major difference between Sherri and Mulkey, IMO. I've developed this theory over the past couple of years based off of a few articles I've read during that period of time.

I don't think Sherri plays the game that the AAU coaches want college coaches to play these days. There have been articles that stated that AAU coaches won't recommend that their players go to colleges summer camps or encourage them to sign an LOI with a university unless the colleges pay the AAU coaches to be coaches or counselors that the university's camps. I think that's why we don't have camps any more. There's not much point in having the camps if you can't attract top flight players. Another article I read said that one reason Gail Goestenkors failed at Texas was because she didn't 'get along with the AAU coaches'. I don't think that was GGs only problem, but it was an interesting comment.

The problems with AAU coaches started in Mens bb several years ago. I remember an article when Kelvin was still at OU and Eddie Sutton was at OSU. There began to be a trend where players would tell college coaches not to talk to their parents - to only talk to their AAU coaches. Both Kelvin and Eddie said that was a deal breaker for them and they wouldn't recruit those players. Unfortunately, these problems have bled over into the women's game.

There are those who probably think we should pay whatever the AAU coaches ask. Every coach has to decide what their personal values are with regard to recruiting. There was a time when fans were attracted to the women's game because it was more true to what college athletics was intended to be. Unfortunately, I don't think that's as true as it used to be.

 

[Pike Pastor]

Jeeze Louise, Sybarite---are you so twisted that you can only spew contempt for any young woman who dared to play for Kim Mulkey?

And you never answered the question, you coward: What horrible trait, what disparaging flaw of character does Lauren Cox have that possessed her to sign with BU? And would you have the stones to say so up front, even to her mother and father?
I won’t wait for an answer, because I’m convinced you are too gutless to provide one.

You sneer and type “Lauren chose Baylor,:” with the same tone as if she chose a life of crime. Then you have the absolute gobsmacking temerity to opine: “why? To win games? That’s fine if you want that” ARE YOU FREAKIN’ SERIOUS, SYB? Winning games is why elite, widely-sought WBB players participate in the game. To win, and win BIG! I suspect Lauren Cox chose Baylor over OU and everyone else because she trusted Kim Mulkey, she knew a tremendous assembly of athletes already played there, because of the state of the art BU nutrition center that could help her manage her diabetes, and because LC wanted to win CHAMPIONSHIPS. Plural. I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that in my opinion, OU WBB will not hang any new banners in the near future. The talent gap between OU and Texas/BU is too wide, and oh yeah, both schools have signed Top Ten recruiting classes for 2018. And, unfortunately, I don’t see Sherri and Co. stemming that tide.

Syb, your love for OU is laudable, you offer lots of great analysis of the Sooner ladies to this board, and I appreciate your tenure---all those little OUs under your name—Gee whilikers. .

But this mean streak that crops up with every mention of Baylor is just laughable. I know it gripes your very soul that Baylor WBB has won 13 of the last 14 games against OU, and yeah, that surely may suck toilet water. But of course you’re gonna keep up this GanGREEN Fever of yours, blaming refs for losses, demeaning Baylor players, accusing KM of every crime including the Lindberg kidnapping---no way you can stop now.

Meanwhile, I and others on the Board will root for a strong OU finish and good momentum going into March.

 

[inoref]

What ever it is..baylor = working OU = not working, if having at least a chance to win NC are your goals. I think for the kind of money OU is throwing around could be better spent.

 

[sybarite]

Jeeze Louise, Sybarite---are you so twisted that you can only spew contempt for any young woman who dared to play for Kim Mulkey?

And you never answered the question, you coward: What horrible trait, what disparaging flaw of character does Lauren Cox have that possessed her to sign with BU? And would you have the stones to say so up front, even to her mother and father?
I won’t wait for an answer, because I’m convinced you are too gutless to provide one.

You sneer and type “Lauren chose Baylor,:” with the same tone as if she chose a life of crime. Then you have the absolute gobsmacking temerity to opine: “why? To win games? That’s fine if you want that” ARE YOU FREAKIN’ SERIOUS, SYB? Winning games is why elite, widely-sought WBB players participate in the game. To win, and win BIG! I suspect Lauren Cox chose Baylor over OU and everyone else because she trusted Kim Mulkey, she knew a tremendous assembly of athletes already played there, because of the state of the art BU nutrition center that could help her manage her diabetes, and because LC wanted to win CHAMPIONSHIPS. Plural. I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that in my opinion, OU WBB will not hang any new banners in the near future. The talent gap between OU and Texas/BU is too wide, and oh yeah, both schools have signed Top Ten recruiting classes for 2018. And, unfortunately, I don’t see Sherri and Co. stemming that tide.

Syb, your love for OU is laudable, you offer lots of great analysis of the Sooner ladies to this board, and I appreciate your tenure---all those little OUs under your name—Gee whilikers. .

But this mean streak that crops up with every mention of Baylor is just laughable. I know it gripes your very soul that Baylor WBB has won 13 of the last 14 games against OU, and yeah, that surely may suck toilet water. But of course you’re gonna keep up this GanGREEN Fever of yours, blaming refs for losses, demeaning Baylor players, accusing KM of every crime including the Lindberg kidnapping---no way you can stop now.

Meanwhile, I and others on the Board will root for a strong OU finish and good momentum going into March.

I just saw on Facebook that there is a term for this type of argument. I found it so uninteresting that I have already forgotten the term.

Yes, I question everything Baylor. I don't hate Lauren Cox. I do question why she would do such a thing as to go to Baylor. I find it an interesting question. Why would someone go to an institution, especially a young woman, whose existence in the past several years has been so contemptuous to the rights of young women. You can try to defend Baylor all you want. There is absolutely no defense--none--for what Baylor has done, and it continues. The investigation keeps revealing more and more of a coverup on an enduring problem. Why would you want to go there?

 

[j2d2]

I know she doesnt like recruiting because she has said so more than once.

 

[inoref]

I know she doesnt like recruiting because she has said so more than once.

Well, she either needs to hire someone or get off the pot

 

[Pike Pastor]

Let the record show that Sybarite is unresponsive to the question. He insulted Lauren Cox and when asked to present evidence and/or a warrant for such a scurrilous attack he/she demmurs to some phantom FB argument not in evidence. The contention stands: Sybarite is a coward who, like the Trump minions, deflects instead of answering the question(s) at hand.

Gee I dunno, Sybbie-- why do
Some of the nation's premier WBB recruits sign with Baylor? Guess you'd have to ask them, Syb. But you won't do that. You prefer to pass judgement on them and suggest they are morally/ intellectually deficient. Could it be that when they visited and asked about the climate for women at BU they learned that the media firestorm wasn't entirely accurate... that all of the question the student and their parents had about the BU assault acandal were answered satisfactorily... perhaps these young women decided they had nothing to fear on the current BU campus...But instead of asking them, it's much
Easier to lob grenades at them and suggest there is something difficient with them..
Meanwhile, it drives you bat-poop crazy that BU gets the recruits that our Sooners can only dream about...

Let the record also show that Sybarite is completely silent on the multiple assertions on this thread that Coach Coale and assistants are outworked in the recruiting wars...

 

[sybarite]

Let the record show that Sybarite is unresponsive to the question. He insulted Lauren Cox and when asked to present evidence and/or a warrant for such a scurrilous attack he/she demmurs to some phantom FB argument not in evidence. The contention stands: Sybarite is a coward who, like the Trump minions, deflects instead of answering the question(s) at hand.

Gee I dunno, Sybbie-- why do
Some of the nation's premier WBB recruits sign with Baylor? Guess you'd have to ask them, Syb. But you won't do that. You prefer to pass judgement on them and suggest they are morally/ intellectually deficient. Could it be that when they visited and asked about the climate for women at BU they learned that the media firestorm wasn't entirely accurate... that all of the question the student and their parents had about the BU assault acandal were answered satisfactorily... perhaps these young women decided they had nothing to fear on the current BU campus...But instead of asking them, it's much
Easier to lob grenades at them and suggest there is something difficient with them..
Meanwhile, it drives you bat-poop crazy that BU gets the recruits that our Sooners can only dream about...

Let the record also show that Sybarite is completely silent on the multiple assertions on this thread that Coach Coale and assistants are outworked in the recruiting wars...

You are persistent, even to your assertions that I insulted Lauren Cox. I questioned her decision---which she should be doing herself. I observed that she has changed her demeanor on court. I insulted Kim Mulkey and all things Baylor. That is my intent,, and I will continue to insult Baylor and anyone that defends Baylor.

I am suggesting that Baylor is not the place for them to go. Why do they? Why do they ignore the evidence that Baylor is rather unprotective of women? Why do they ignore the history of Kim Mulkey with respect to her promises? Oh, because someone at Baylor tells them it isn't true?

Gaslighting. That was the term. Look it up. It refers to manipulation of facts, i.e., lying or obscuring the truth. Let's see why you should choose to go to Baylor. Perhaps, you should choose Baylor because it so thoroughly protected the rights of 52 known young women who were raped and whose rapes were covered up by the administration. We can use that as a starting point.

Of course, we also have quite a number of Baylor fans who insist upon Briles' innocence and would welcome him back. And, so it goes.

 

[tycat947]

To get back to the original question, I think there is one major difference between Sherri and Mulkey, IMO. I've developed this theory over the past couple of years based off of a few articles I've read during that period of time.

I don't think Sherri plays the game that the AAU coaches want college coaches to play these days. There have been articles that stated that AAU coaches won't recommend that their players go to colleges summer camps or encourage them to sign an LOI with a university unless the colleges pay the AAU coaches to be coaches or counselors that the university's camps. I think that's why we don't have camps any more. There's not much point in having the camps if you can't attract top flight players. Another article I read said that one reason Gail Goestenkors failed at Texas was because she didn't 'get along with the AAU coaches'. I don't think that was GGs only problem, but it was an interesting comment.

The problems with AAU coaches started in Mens bb several years ago. I remember an article when Kelvin was still at OU and Eddie Sutton was at OSU. There began to be a trend where players would tell college coaches not to talk to their parents - to only talk to their AAU coaches. Both Kelvin and Eddie said that was a deal breaker for them and they wouldn't recruit those players. Unfortunately, these problems have bled over into the women's game.

There are those who probably think we should pay whatever the AAU coaches ask. Every coach has to decide what their personal values are with regard to recruiting. There was a time when fans were attracted to the women's game because it was more true to what college athletics was intended to be. Unfortunately, I don't think that's as true as it used to be.

Bingo!

 

[tycat947]

You are persistent, even to your assertions that I insulted Lauren Cox. I questioned her decision---which she should be doing herself. I observed that she has changed her demeanor on court. I insulted Kim Mulkey and all things Baylor. That is my intent,, and I will continue to insult Baylor and anyone that defends Baylor.

I am suggesting that Baylor is not the place for them to go. Why do they? Why do they ignore the evidence that Baylor is rather unprotective of women? Why do they ignore the history of Kim Mulkey with respect to her promises? Oh, because someone at Baylor tells them it isn't true?

Gaslighting. That was the term. Look it up. It refers to manipulation of facts, i.e., lying or obscuring the truth. Let's see why you should choose to go to Baylor. Perhaps, you should choose Baylor because it so thoroughly protected the rights of 52 known young women who were raped and whose rapes were covered up by the administration. We can use that as a starting point.

Of course, we also have quite a number of Baylor fans who insist upon Briles' innocence and would welcome him back. And, so it goes.

+1!

 

[Pike Pastor]

Syb, you truly oughta switch your handle to Shuck & Jive-- cuz you repeatedly refuse to answer simple questions... you most certainly insulted Lauren Cox and continue to do so... What is it about her demeanor that bothers you? Is it the way she repeatedly stuffed Vivi without saying "I'm sorry"? Is it because this uppity freshman displayed more grit and assertiveness than Maddie, a redshirt Jr? Is it the way she beat the Sooner guards down the court on the break? Is that what you disaprove of, Syb? Since you remain vague in your potshots I can only surmise what's going on under your tinfoil hat..

You issue blanket indictments on every WBB athlete who signs with BU after the football scandal... a scandal that the BU BOR responded to with sweeping changes of personnel and a fortifying of what is now the largest Title 9 office in the Big 12... . And yet.. BU WBB recruiting has not faltered but flourished. So what would you call these new Lady Bear recruits, Syb? Stupid? Naive? Misguided? And again I ask-- would you have the guts to tell them and their parents this to their faces? Doubt it. I really do.
And still, another Top Ten class will roll into Waco next Fall... it must truly pain you to know that these young women and their parents are are making such a hideous mistake...

You, like many others , have jumped on this new number of 52 alleged rapes, something that has yet to be proven in a court of law.. These recruits are choosing BU and not OU, so allow me to flip the question to you, Syb-- If BU is so heinous and Sherri a HOF coach, then why, pray tell, why aren't these young women selecting the Crimson & Creme? Surely you can provide answers here...

And I'm quite familiar with the term "Gaslighting", Sybbie, and it just does not apply here, no matter how much you twist and turn and attempt to alter the narrative..

Finally, on a earlier post you smugly suggest that Baylor will soon become one big asterisk. I know that's what you dearly desire and wish for, Sybarite. I'm reminded of what my dear departed daddy ( OU School of Pharmacy, 1951) was fond of saying : " Sonny, you can wish in one hand and spit/sh** in the other, and see which one fills up first..." I don't think BU is going anywhere but up in WBB for the foreseeable future.

Now to the other question I asked you: Will Sherri and Co. have the resolve and a new recruiting strategy necessary torespond to the BU/UT challenge and stay relevant in Big 12 Title discussions?
Whaddya think, Syb!

 

[sybarite]

Very simply. We, except for the misguided, want no part of Sherri operating with the cooperation of the "AAU" "coaches." I want this nonsense to become illegal.

Don't try to obscure this by saying that it hasn't been proven in a court of law. That is exactly the problem. It is not proven because its existence was obscured by Baylor officials---the reason they are resigning.

Don't try to obscure this by saying it is limited to football. Both of Baylor's titles were somewhat jaded by the allegations of team members that Kim had lied to them, one leaving Baylor prematurely. This win or die attitude that Baylor has adopted has gone far enough.

Yes, I question why anyone goes to Baylor when this is out there. I am disappointed when young people make bad decisions. I may expect it because they are young. Hopefully, they learn from it. I do not accept adults who defend it, denying the reality as nothing more than jealousy.

Yes, I will be fully committed to Baylor becoming an asterisk, much more so than say the Baseball Hall of Fame which refuses to consider some former players for membership. If the sports program doesn't become an asterisk, it may be time to make the entire instutution an asterisk. That is not what should be taught.

 

[inoref]

Well I still say coaches should be paid for their results on the court during their contract time. And imo Sherri is over paid, I guess OU has so much money they can throw around like that. Patty Gasso earns her money with results..probably should be paid more.

 

[Mac]

Let us try and keep an open mind where we can all share our opinions on this topic with out the name calling/ personal attacks