Worse than 2009-2010?
- Thread starter euphguy
- Start date
tmeyer3307
Active member
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2015
- Messages
- 821
- Reaction score
- 102
I think if he had another season like this he may go, but I just don't see that happening two seasons in a row with him.
Big Old Booger
Active member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2008
- Messages
- 6,520
- Reaction score
- 1
As bad as that season and the next season were, that was just a part of why Capel was fired. He was really fired because his asst coach paid Tiny Gallon to come here and due to off court issues. Not to mention he was recruiting thugs.
The oncourt performance was the clincher. Those teams had no hope to get better. This team with so much youth will get better.
Capel's assistant coach paid Gallon to come to OU or the assistant coach was a conduit for Gallon's mom to get a short term loan to pay for Gallon's Oak Hill tuition (a loan that she supposedly paid off before it was even discovered that she received it)?
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/gallon-defends-self-against-ncaa-investigation/
CoachTalk
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2009
- Messages
- 11,188
- Reaction score
- 3,421
Really calling for his job? come on man... Youve got to be joking....?
SoonerinNC
Active member
- Joined
- Dec 3, 2008
- Messages
- 1,752
- Reaction score
- 2
No way worse than that team.
In terms of talent vs. W-L record, the 2009-2010 team will never be topped for futility. Three top 40 players, two of which were Burger Boys should never result in a losing record. That said, this year has to be one of the most underachieving OU teams I've watched in my 40+ years as a fan.
Here are the only "bad coaching jobs" in my view based on the talent level for that team. Recruiting does not play into the list below. What does seem to be a trend is that in every case, the bad coaching job was in either the last year for that coach or second-to-last year.
1979-1980: Dave Bliss apparently had one foot out the door when the preseason Big 8 favorites couldn't even secure an NIT berth. That was a senior-dominated team with Stotts, Curry and Beal.
1992-1993: Lots of talented and experienced juniors and seniors on this team (Sallier, Webster, Evans and Hamilton), so an NIT berth was inexcusable. Tubbs was burning out, though. His final team was even worse, but there was significantly less talent with only Jeff Webster (and an emerging Ryan Minor) back from the aforementioned list.
2005-2006: Kelvin actually got this team to the Dance (as a badly overrated #6 seed), but with the Bookout / Gray / Everett senior trio (the three best players on the previous year's team), this should not have been a team which scored 38 points in a game against Texas or lost to Wisconsin-Milwaukee in an NCAA Tournament game which wasn't even that close.
2009-2010: I'm not sure I've ever seen a worse coaching job at a Big 8 / Big XII school. Capel's last team was just as bad, but with far less talent.
2016-2017: I hope this is premature since there is still a month left in the season. However, I'm still seeing November mistakes being made in February...not a good sign.
Here are the only "bad coaching jobs" in my view based on the talent level for that team. Recruiting does not play into the list below. What does seem to be a trend is that in every case, the bad coaching job was in either the last year for that coach or second-to-last year.
1979-1980: Dave Bliss apparently had one foot out the door when the preseason Big 8 favorites couldn't even secure an NIT berth. That was a senior-dominated team with Stotts, Curry and Beal.
1992-1993: Lots of talented and experienced juniors and seniors on this team (Sallier, Webster, Evans and Hamilton), so an NIT berth was inexcusable. Tubbs was burning out, though. His final team was even worse, but there was significantly less talent with only Jeff Webster (and an emerging Ryan Minor) back from the aforementioned list.
2005-2006: Kelvin actually got this team to the Dance (as a badly overrated #6 seed), but with the Bookout / Gray / Everett senior trio (the three best players on the previous year's team), this should not have been a team which scored 38 points in a game against Texas or lost to Wisconsin-Milwaukee in an NCAA Tournament game which wasn't even that close.
2009-2010: I'm not sure I've ever seen a worse coaching job at a Big 8 / Big XII school. Capel's last team was just as bad, but with far less talent.
2016-2017: I hope this is premature since there is still a month left in the season. However, I'm still seeing November mistakes being made in February...not a good sign.
Big Old Booger
Active member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2008
- Messages
- 6,520
- Reaction score
- 1
I think this is Kruger's last stop. Also, Joe C is going to be very patient with him because he runs the program the right way. LK has no pressure on him except what he puts on himself. I'm betting he coaches another 5 years.
In one year, he didn't forget how to coach. If you've ever gone to one of his practices, he is very organized and his drills run like clockwork. He's in total control.
LK understands when it's time to go, he doesn't just hang on to hang on.
He doesn't stay long enough to get fired (NBA Hawks don't count), he knows when the message and program is stale and it's time.
Not saying it is this year but I can see it after next year if the team doesn't progress.
LK has such a different coaching style, he lets players play, they win or lose on their own. I'm not sure I like it but that's what he does.
He doesn't stay long enough to get fired (NBA Hawks don't count), he knows when the message and program is stale and it's time.
Not saying it is this year but I can see it after next year if the team doesn't progress.
LK has such a different coaching style, he lets players play, they win or lose on their own. I'm not sure I like it but that's what he does.
Yes OU was and unfortunately was already on probation because of Sampson.
Big Old Booger
Active member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2008
- Messages
- 6,520
- Reaction score
- 1
Regardless of Sampson, OU was headed for probation after Capel's asst coach WHOM HE HIRED paid Gallon.
I know you think Capel is the greatest coach since Mike Krzyzewski but I'm sorry to burst your bubble. He's an adequate coach -- as long as he has talent he's adequate.
And the basketball strength coach under Kruger was a go between a booster and players in giving the players cash. And a player on this year's team was suspended early in the season for receiving benefits for selling his Final Four tickets. Being consistent is something you have a huge issue with obviously.
And LOL at your straw man. So weak.
Don't bother talking about capel with him.
To the op, there's no doubt this team is worse than 09-10. This is the worst team in about 40 years. Kruger's seat isn't even remotely warm, though. Joe c isn't going to do something stupid like that.
Big Old Booger
Active member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2008
- Messages
- 6,520
- Reaction score
- 1
And a player under Sampson, but it still happened during Kruger's watch. Thankfully OU caught it quickly and reported it. Unfortunately, that didn't happen with Gallon (if he was telling the complete truth).
Big Old Booger
Active member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2008
- Messages
- 6,520
- Reaction score
- 1
To be fair, what Sampson did to land us on probation is legal now. That was the biggest bunch of crap rule ever.
Paying a player -- whether it's disguised as paying for his high school education -- is and has always been illegal.
What Sampson did was illegal and put OU on probation. And then he got in trouble again with the NCAA at Indiana and had a 5 year show clause penalty.
Similar threads
