#11 OU at #22 Louisville 4pm 12/4

[scrybe]

The ladies didn't play very well and still won. That is a promising thing not a negative IMO. There are, and always will be, a few more turnovers in the women's game than in the men's game. The difference gets less and less the higher of quality and level of play. It is just a factual statement to say that we turn the ball over more than we should and will need to improve during the season (related to this issue) to reach our goals. It seems to me though Jennie's teams have improved through the season every year on their fundamentals and turnovers and so they have to be working on the right things for that to happen. When you play as many kids as she does and mix and match lineups like she does, it would normally take a little longer to get some of this stuff cleaned up.

On turnovers, there are two kinds. Turnovers caused by physical mistakes and then turnovers caused by poor judgment (such as dribbling to nowhere or to baseline traps, unnecessary passes for no purpose and from poor angles, dribbling in the paint etc, ie violating all of the old and tried and true adages related to basketball). You can keep a team aggressive and not "coach" a team out of its aggression, when you stick to working on eliminating "judgment" turnovers. You want kids to not be fearful to run your offense.

In any event, it is way to early in the year to become overly worried about this issue in my judgment. Just my opinion, but Jennie is bringing the ladies along just fine. Sure, we have a few ladies that need to use a little better judgment, but I think they will as they get game film to see what they are doing. I still say this team is poised to do big things this year.

Love Beers, Beatrice and Liz in the paint, PV and SV's leadership, and then we just need to keep finding the right pieces around these girls and I think we will be hard to beat.

Great post. And quite a contrast to all those Chicken Little posts that permeated most of this discussion.

 

[tycat947]

The ladies didn't play very well and still won. That is a promising thing not a negative IMO. There are, and always will be, a few more turnovers in the women's game than in the men's game. The difference gets less and less the higher of quality and level of play. It is just a factual statement to say that we turn the ball over more than we should and will need to improve during the season (related to this issue) to reach our goals. It seems to me though Jennie's teams have improved through the season every year on their fundamentals and turnovers and so they have to be working on the right things for that to happen. When you play as many kids as she does and mix and match lineups like she does, it would normally take a little longer to get some of this stuff cleaned up.

On turnovers, there are two kinds. Turnovers caused by physical mistakes and then turnovers caused by poor judgment (such as dribbling to nowhere or to baseline traps, unnecessary passes for no purpose and from poor angles, dribbling in the paint etc, ie violating all of the old and tried and true adages related to basketball). You can keep a team aggressive and not "coach" a team out of its aggression, when you stick to working on eliminating "judgment" turnovers. You want kids to not be fearful to run your offense.

In any event, it is way to early in the year to become overly worried about this issue in my judgment. Just my opinion, but Jennie is bringing the ladies along just fine. Sure, we have a few ladies that need to use a little better judgment, but I think they will as they get game film to see what they are doing. I still say this team is poised to do big things this year.

Love Beers, Beatrice and Liz in the paint, PV and SV's leadership, and then we just need to keep finding the right pieces around these girls and I think we will be hard to beat.

This time last year I thought we were going to end up in the bottom of the Big 12. They fought through all the inconsistencies and won the Big 12 regular season outright. This team has a lot of returning players but some new important pieces and they are still learning to play together. I think the more they play, the better they will become.

 

[MsProudSooner]

This time last year I thought we were going to end up in the bottom of the Big 12. They fought through all the inconsistencies and won the Big 12 regular season outright. This team has a lot of returning players but some new important pieces and they are still learning to play together. I think the more they play, the better they will become.

I think Skylar's role changed more than anyone else's with the addition of Reagan and the return of Liz Scott. I think she'll become more productive as the season goes on. Also, we are still learning how to pass the pass into the post for Reagan. That's another thing that time and experience will improve.

 

[Soonerguy06]

this is one of the only boards that people get criticized for venting/complaining...isn't that some of what comes with a discussion forum? Yes, we did suck for 3 quarters yesterday, especially the inbounds turnovers three times in a row, and the 18 first half turnovers, BUT we really did get it together especially in the 4th and LV looked worn out and we looked like the more poised, composed and experienced team. Lots of things to really improved on, like practicing how to handle defensive pressure like that more, and our passing/driving down low. Verhulst is my favorite player, and I believe worth of AA nods this season. Hope we get her for 1 more season after this one, but we probably won't. I really hope we cut down the TOs because we could be very special if we played cleanly. Last year at this time we were worse, and we really cleaned it all up by conference play, so i'm hoping the same happens this year and we become a team other SEC opponents dread playing!

 

[Salt City Sooner]

this is one of the only boards that people get criticized for venting/complaining...isn't that some of what comes with a discussion forum? Yes, we did suck for 3 quarters yesterday, especially the inbounds turnovers three times in a row, and the 18 first half turnovers, BUT we really did get it together especially in the 4th and LV looked worn out and we looked like the more poised, composed and experienced team. Lots of things to really improved on, like practicing how to handle defensive pressure like that more, and our passing/driving down low. Verhulst is my favorite player, and I believe worth of AA nods this season. Hope we get her for 1 more season after this one, but we probably won't. I really hope we cut down the TOs because we could be very special if we played cleanly. Last year at this time we were worse, and we really cleaned it all up by conference play, so i'm hoping the same happens this year and we become a team other SEC opponents dread playing!

It was already announced that her extra year was approved a couple of weeks ago.

 

[MsProudSooner]

this is one of the only boards that people get criticized for venting/complaining...isn't that some of what comes with a discussion forum? Yes, we did suck for 3 quarters yesterday, especially the inbounds turnovers three times in a row, and the 18 first half turnovers, BUT we really did get it together especially in the 4th and LV looked worn out and we looked like the more poised, composed and experienced team. Lots of things to really improved on, like practicing how to handle defensive pressure like that more, and our passing/driving down low. Verhulst is my favorite player, and I believe worth of AA nods this season. Hope we get her for 1 more season after this one, but we probably won't. I really hope we cut down the TOs because we could be very special if we played cleanly. Last year at this time we were worse, and we really cleaned it all up by conference play, so i'm hoping the same happens this year and we become a team other SEC opponents dread playing!

If a poster makes their complaint but also recognizes what the team, player or coach has done well, they don't get nearly as much criticism. It's the ones who are always negative that get a lot of pushback.

 

[Soonercuda]

It is just the nature of sports fans. We tend to be very reactionary and when playing well we think we are the greatest and when we play poorly someone needs to be fired or benched.

I do the same and would suggest to not take what I say too seriously as I have no special expertise in any of the sports I follow.

 

[BossFan64]

It is just the nature of sports fans. We tend to be very reactionary and when playing well we think we are the greatest and when we play poorly someone needs to be fired or benched.

I do the same and would suggest to not take what I say too seriously as I have no special expertise in any of the sports I follow.

You make a very good point. Another human nature trait of fans: if you can’t love your team’s performance, you will then love hating your team’s performance.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Is Wichita sooner your sister? Must be a Kansas thing. Nothing better to do but troll OU hoops.

lol… nice response. Nah, actually my background can tell me what crappy passes are.

Because of my background I’ve followed women’s hoops for a long time.

Believe it or not you can actually support a team but be critical of basic mistakes that even high schoolers shouldn’t make.

Have a good day.

 

[Soonerinkc]

The ladies didn't play very well and still won. That is a promising thing not a negative IMO. There are, and always will be, a few more turnovers in the women's game than in the men's game. The difference gets less and less the higher of quality and level of play. It is just a factual statement to say that we turn the ball over more than we should and will need to improve during the season (related to this issue) to reach our goals. It seems to me though Jennie's teams have improved through the season every year on their fundamentals and turnovers and so they have to be working on the right things for that to happen. When you play as many kids as she does and mix and match lineups like she does, it would normally take a little longer to get some of this stuff cleaned up.

On turnovers, there are two kinds. Turnovers caused by physical mistakes and then turnovers caused by poor judgment (such as dribbling to nowhere or to baseline traps, unnecessary passes for no purpose and from poor angles, dribbling in the paint etc, ie violating all of the old and tried and true adages related to basketball). You can keep a team aggressive and not "coach" a team out of its aggression, when you stick to working on eliminating "judgment" turnovers. You want kids to not be fearful to run your offense.

In any event, it is way to early in the year to become overly worried about this issue in my judgment. Just my opinion, but Jennie is bringing the ladies along just fine. Sure, we have a few ladies that need to use a little better judgment, but I think they will as they get game film to see what they are doing. I still say this team is poised to do big things this year.

Love Beers, Beatrice and Liz in the paint, PV and SV's leadership, and then we just need to keep finding the right pieces around these girls and I think we will be hard to beat.

Excellent post…

Just my two cents, but the passing… be it lanes, timing, style (one handed, etc), angles… are things that haven’t really improved over her time.

Yes, the run and gun style might lead to more TO’s but some of the passes against UL were just down right horrible,

Folks thought the b12 was tough..?… the sec is much tougher. USC just beat duke..early they were up 20. Saw they win by 11.

I’ll cheer for ou and hope they go far.

 

[BossFan64]

Excellent post…

Just my two cents, but the passing… be it lanes, timing, style (one handed, etc), angles… are things that haven’t really improved over her time.

Yes, the run and gun style might lead to more TO’s but some of the passes against UL were just down right horrible,

Folks thought the b12 was tough..?… the sec is much tougher. USC just beat duke..early they were up 20. Saw they win by 11.

I’ll cheer for ou and hope they go far.

The turnovers are frustrating. I’m sure Coach Jennie is not happy about it either. It is a fine line between playing free and playing sloppy.

 

[cowboysooner]

Soonerinkc, we all need to vent -- it helps us reacquire our sanity after watching an emotion charged event we care about. I do it to my wife (when she will listen). Message boards are good for this, so I generally don't mind complaints being made. However, I am and will always be a fan of OU sports, regardless of success or failure and want to support the kids and coaches until OU administration deems a change needed (can you tell my dad was a school superintendent for 45 years).

I try and not say anything too bad (particularly avoid giving an opinion that they aren't any good or will never be good) about the kids because they might not be sufficient mature to handle it, i.e. they might get down and it effect them as a person or player, or worse yet, make them not want to play for OU. And as to coaches and kids, I just don't think overly negative opinions and comments re coaches and players is helpful to recruiting. Recruits and players read this board.

I have been on this board forever, and I appreciate anyone that chimes in and puts content on it, whether I like the comments or not. It shows you care about the program. Electronic disputes and personal attacks have run lots of people off of this board. As this is where I get my basketball information and "fix" related to ladies basketball, I hope we all stay sufficiently accepting of each other's opinions that we don't run anyone off of the board. In short, I may or may not agree with some of your comments but appreciate you being on the board and talking OU basketball.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Soonerinkc, we all need to vent -- it helps us reacquire our sanity after watching an emotion charged event we care about. I do it to my wife (when she will listen). Message boards are good for this, so I generally don't mind complaints being made. However, I am and will always be a fan of OU sports, regardless of success or failure and want to support the kids and coaches until OU administration deems a change needed (can you tell my dad was a school superintendent for 45 years).

I try and not say anything too bad (particularly avoid giving an opinion that they aren't any good or will never be good) about the kids because they might not be sufficient mature to handle it, i.e. they might get down and it effect them as a person or player, or worse yet, make them not want to play for OU. And as to coaches and kids, I just don't think overly negative opinions and comments re coaches and players is helpful to recruiting. Recruits and players read this board.

I have been on this board forever, and I appreciate anyone that chimes in and puts content on it, whether I like the comments or not. It shows you care about the program. Electronic disputes and personal attacks have run lots of people off of this board. As this is where I get my basketball information and "fix" related to ladies basketball, I hope we all stay sufficiently accepting of each other's opinions that we don't run anyone off of the board. In short, I may or may not agree with some of your comments but appreciate you being on the board and talking OU basketball.

Great take… ya, with my ou friend group up in kc.. watch games etc.. I’m known as the ou freak.

I watch softball, baseball, fball, basketball (both)… lol. Not much else I watch. I guess I watch, especially basketball (both teams) with a more technical view. I coached for 8 yrs, 4/4 girls/boys. Sister played D1 years ago.

Of course I want OU to win… and I should say I think 99% even 100% of the time I don’t attack a student athlete personally, do I question skills/decision making sometimes… yup.

I enjoy the board as well… ya it’s my vent while watching. I’d say the same thing if I was sitting in the stands right beside you. Heck I’d even ask Coach about some things I see….lol.

It’s just like any message board, there are those that say negative all the time, some that say nothing but positive (which jump on your butt IF you question anything) then some that are a mix.

The ladies didn’t panic, worked hard, cut down on the TO’s and won a tough game on the road… that’s AWESOME.

Boomer

Ps… my dad was also a sup.

 

[Soonerguy06]

the forum is my way of venting when things are bad during the games. I don't like to do so on socials, as players def can see those. i don't think i should need to be apologetic about it, and expect to get criticism for venting either. I can acknowledge when things go well, also, it's just this specific forum that seems to take any criticism very personally. I wouldn't be on here if I didn't love the team, program and university - I'm a previous OU athlete and alum myself!

 

[betterstill]

"I think Skylar's role changed more than anyone else's with the addition of Reagan and the return of Liz Scott. I think she'll become more productive as the season goes on. Also, we are still learning how to pass the pass into the post for Reagan. That's another thing that time and experience will improve."

I really like this comment by MsProudSooner.

I enjoy the banter on the board. I hope people take it in stride and do not go after each other. My wife and I talk about the WBB team a lot. Usually she starts saying negative things and I take the opposite tack. I think she does this partly because she wants to her the encouraging counter arguments.

But in the 1st half of the Louisville game I started talking negatively. I was watching the game on TV and giving her my thoughts. I said I was very disappointed in the way the team was playing. I said I feared that Beers was not boosting the team like I had thought she would. I thought we had lost some of the collaborative effort we had last year.

Well, my spouse took the opposite view she started disagreeing with me and talking up the positive. Ha. We had our own two person message board going. We had to miss the 4th quarter due to a family engagement an were delighted to learn we pulled out the game. She said "I told you so." That's the way it goes.

So all is well and we are ready to go forward. I am hopeful that MsProud's comments will prove to be prophetic and practice, concentration and effort will vanquish our deficiencies. Go Sooners!

 

[Soonerinkc]

the forum is my way of venting when things are bad during the games. I don't like to do so on socials, as players def can see those. i don't think i should need to be apologetic about it, and expect to get criticism for venting either. I can acknowledge when things go well, also, it's just this specific forum that seems to take any criticism very personally. I wouldn't be on here if I didn't love the team, program and university - I'm a previous OU athlete and alum myself!

Agree, as I said because I’ve coached before I think I’m more analytical during the game.. sucks sometimes … not seeing the forest for the trees… lol

Nice… mind me asking what ya played? My son pitched for 2 D1 juco’s here in Ks. Unfortunately he hurt his arm during summer ball and gave it up.

As one coach told him during recruiting, if you don’t absolutely love the game don’t play in college… it’s a job.

 

[Soonercuda]