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Decent three point shooting has been the biggest thing we've missed since Buddy and Isiah left. Obviously Reaves is a deeadeye shooter, but who else among the recruits we're adding are shooters?
 
Hill and Harmon and Williams can all shoot it well
 
> Alondes Williams (6-5; 220, G) ... Milwaukee, Wisconsin / Triton College

https://tritonathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=329

Williams shooting stats look like this so far this season.

.512 (126-246) ... FG Shooting
.402 (39-97) ...... 3-Point FG Shooting
.676 (50-74) ...... Free Throw Shooting

17.1 .... Points per Game
_7.4 .... Rebounds per Game

Other Season Totals (20 Games)
99 ... Assists
42 ... Turnovers
24 ... Blocks
37 ... Steals

Triton College is 18-2 (6-0). Here is a link to the latest game article:

https://tritonathletics.com/news/2019/1/22/mens-basketball-tames-the-wolfpack.aspx
 
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We've just got to keep bringing in guys who can shoot, 1-5. I just keep looking a what Villanova does, and they aren't doing it with a ton of 5 stars. They are bringing in strong 4 star kids who can shoot, and in a down year they are 16-4 and will be a top 3 seed in the tourney. And they do this year in year out in a league that's as tough as any. This is a model that we can emulate.
 
I can't recall a time that our lack of shooting was more apparent than last night.


There are two paths to being a really good college basketball team.

1. Recruit a bunch of 5 star future NBA guys and out-talent people. That works for the Dukes and Kentucky's and Kansas of the world.


2. Recruit good high school guards, develop them over 4 years, and have a ton of shooters. This is the path that OU can actually take. It looked like that's what Lon was doing, when his first recruiting class he brought in 3 high school guards, and in his second recruiting class he brought in two more. Those guards took us to 4 straight tournaments, including a sweet 16 and a final four.


After signing 5 high school guards in his first two classes, we have signed 5 high school guards in the 5 classes since. You had two guys who transferred out, one guy who was so good he was a one and done, one guy who stayed 4 years and developed into a quality player, and one guy with a very bright future.


Looking at next year's class, there's again only one high school guard. I like the individual players in the class just fine, but why do we need 3 big men in next year's class? Why is there not a second guard in the class? What happens if Harmon is so good he's a one and done (which isn't out of the question), or what if he's a bust?

Next year's roster is going to have 4 guards on it, which is absurd. I like every one of those players on paper, but it's far too few, and it's relying on a JUCO guy panning out, which is obviously a very mixed bag. If one of those guys gets hurt, you are really in trouble.
 
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Hill is 100% a college wing .. so next year OU will have 5 guards/wings plus Doo who has started at the 3 multible games this year
 
BoulderSooner said:
Hill is 100% a college wing .. so next year OU will have 5 guards/wings plus Doo who has started at the 3 multible games this year
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Doo is not a 3. They may list him at the 3 occasionally, but when we play big lineups it's Manek who plays on the wing. Doo is 100% an undersized post player.


Great wings are awesome; the problem is, in the rare instance you find a true 6-7 wing who can shoot the rock and dribble drive, they aren't going to be around for very long. If we have found that in Hill, that's amazing, but that's a unicorn.

Guys that can develop into really good college guards, on the other hand, are not exceptionally rare. But you have to bring them in so that you can develop them and handle busts and attrition. We aren't adding guards at a high rate, and that's a problem. It has manifested itself bigtime the past 3 seasons, and will continually do so until we can fill the pipeline with quality recruits.
 
The coaching staff hasnt done a good job of recruiting. This roster is devoid of real talent. Id say we have 4 or 5 Big 12 caliber players. None of the overseas kids have panned out. Next years class looks great, and it will need to be to save Lon's job.
 
OULad said:
The coaching staff hasnt done a good job of recruiting. This roster is devoid of real talent. Id say we have 4 or 5 Big 12 caliber players. None of the overseas kids have panned out. Next years class looks great, and it will need to be to save Lon's job.
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So out of:

1) James
2) Doolittle
3) Manek
4) McNeace
5) Bienemy
6) Calixte
7) Odomes
8) Reynolds

which 3-4 aren't Big 12 caliber players?
 
BCSooners said:
So out of:

1) James
2) Doolittle
3) Manek
4) McNeace
5) Bienemy
6) Calixte
7) Odomes
8) Reynolds

which 3-4 aren't Big 12 caliber players?
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All are Big 12 caliber.

But all have significant flaws.

Just trying to make do this year. Check preseason projections.
 
oudna said:
All are Big 12 caliber.

But all have significant flaws.

Just trying to make do this year. Check preseason projections.
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While most of those guys are Big XII caliber players, the top end is conspicuously absent. Doolittle, James and Manek are guys you are extremely happy with if they're you're 4th/5th best starters. Instead those are your top 3 guys. Bienemy has the talent to be a lead dog on a good team, but he's a true freshman and isn't there yet. Odomes is a decent player, but should probably be an energy guy off the bench. McNease is best suited for the role he was in last year, providing minutes off the bench. Calixte is a quality backup point guard. Reynolds is pretty fringe, I don't think he's in the rotation on a really good team.

And that's not even bringing up the original point of the thread, which is that our 3 point shooting is absolutely abysmal. Again, I think that's a function of the above. Guys like Manek and James are competent 3 point shooters. If they're your 4th guy and are getting kickouts from your stars that the defense is focused on, they can knock down shots. Unfortunately, they're the focal point of the offense and they don't have that kind of ability (at least yet, as I'm still hopeful Brady can tap into the star potential I saw from him freshman year).
 
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SuperHoops said:
I tend to take high school stats with a grain of salt other than points scored. Kind of like football players 40 times.
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Are you the Baylor fan? I forget. Anyway, congrats on that ***kicking if you are! Well done.
 
sperry said:
While most of those guys are Big XII caliber players, the top end is conspicuously absent. Doolittle, James and Manek are guys you are extremely happy with if they're you're 4th/5th best starters. Instead those are your top 3 guys. Bienemy has the talent to be a lead dog on a good team, but he's a true freshman and isn't there yet. Odomes is a decent player, but should probably be an energy guy off the bench. McNease is best suited for the role he was in last year, providing minutes off the bench. Calixte is a quality backup point guard. Reynolds is pretty fringe, I don't think he's in the rotation on a really good team.

And that's not even bringing up the original point of the thread, which is that our 3 point shooting is absolutely abysmal. Again, I think that's a function of the above. Guys like Manek and James are competent 3 point shooters. If they're your 4th guy and are getting kickouts from your stars that the defense is focused on, they can knock down shots. Unfortunately, they're the focal point of the offense and they don't have that kind of ability (at least yet, as I'm still hopeful Brady can tap into the star potential I saw from him freshman year).
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Spot on imo
 
Stikboy said:
Are you the Baylor fan? I forget. Anyway, congrats on that ***kicking if you are! Well done.
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I'm just a basketball fan. I grew up in Edmond during the Tubbs era and was a big fan of his style of play. I went to UCO but there is not a big market for Broncho message boards.
 
SuperHoops said:
I tend to take high school stats with a grain of salt other than points scored. Kind of like football players 40 times.
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Free throw percentage is a good indicator of shooting ability. If you can make FTs at a high clip, you can probably make open shots from any distance.
 
SuperHoops said:
I tend to take high school stats with a grain of salt other than points scored. Kind of like football players 40 times.
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As you should. The pressure to make shots in college over bigger, quicker, better defenders can be a shock to high school players sometimes. That said, I think an OU recruit averaging 49% his senior season in high school has a much better chance to contribute from the perimeter at OU than one who averages 29%.

There are exceptions, of course. Buddy Hield improved every season except one at OU. He averaged 39% as a freshman, and 50% as a senior. Rashard Odomes averaged 48% his senior season in high school. You know the rest of that story.
 
AdaSooner said:
As you should. The pressure to make shots in college over bigger, quicker, better defenders can be a shock to high school players sometimes. That said, I think an OU recruit averaging 49% his senior season in high school has a much better chance to contribute from the perimeter at OU than one who averages 29%.

There are exceptions, of course. Buddy Hield improved every season except one at OU. He averaged 39% as a freshman, and 50% as a senior. Rashard Odomes averaged 48% his senior season in high school. You know the rest of that story.
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I meant more that stats at high school games may come from a 16 year old team manager and are less than reliable.
 
SuperHoops said:
I meant more that stats at high school games may come from a 16 year old team manager and are less than reliable.
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Dishonest team managers in high school padding the stats? Never thought about that. :)
 
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