Am I the only one who is sick of football?

Imagine if Bill Snyder had the kind of talent that OU has.. I really prefer that kind of offense in the college game. Tough, gritty, run the ball, have some freak at QB like Collin Klein or Ell Roberson and run that type of offense.

Spread = boring
 
OU has Reggie Smith, Quinton Carter, Dominique Franks, Brodney Pool & Jonathan Nelson in NFL rosters.

How many does Alabama, LSU, Florida or USC have? Doubt it's more than 5 each. OU has the same talent as the other big boys.

Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.
 
Last night sucked, but don't be a prisoner of the moment. There are only a couple coaches in the entire country that can even make the argument that they are better than Stoops.

I have been consistently saying this about Stoops since the USC game. He's not a good gameday coach. He's not very smart Im afraid. The timeout vs Baylor was just another glaring example of a deer caught in the headlights.

Our 2000 title was a gift. If we played Miami, which would occur now, it would have been another Big Bob Blowout. Not a chance we would have hung with that team.
 
Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.

If he doesn't change some things I think that you are right; however, I think that you are being a "tad" critical of the guy. Lol!
 
Unless he brings the dozen or so NFL first rounders he has playing under him at Alabama, I doubt he'll make much of a difference.

The spread is dominant in virtually every conference. The few teams who can shut it down consistently—USC, LSU, Florida, Alabama—do so because they're stacked with NFL talent, not because they have figured out some schematic solution.

Oklahoma, for all its recruiting success, has struggled to develop elite talent in the secondary. Just look at NFL starting lineups today for evidence of that. I believe there will be one OU product (Quinton Carter, Broncos) starting this weekend for an NFL team. Mizzou will have two (William Moore, Falcons, and Kevin Rutland will get his first start today with Jacksonville).

When you recruit like OU does, it's flat out inexcusable to have so few players in the NFL. Granted, there are another few guys on rosters, but it's still not in line with the type of talent OU should have. When you play in a pass-happy conference and can out-recruit all but maybe one team, you should have no shortage of elite cover corners. OU hasn't. That's a failure on Bob Stoops' part, which is surprising considering he was a safety himself.

I agree with this. The only starter in the secondary that is a shoe-in to play in the NFL is Tony Jefferson.

Although we got decimated with injuries again (I swear OU is the most unlucky team in the country in this aspect, they lose more star players to injuries than any other program in college football), the secondary was the ultimate weak link for OU this season. I appreciate the hard work Gabe Lynn and Javon Harris displayed, but they simply aren't consistent enough to be OU-caliber DB's.
 
I have been consistently saying this about Stoops since the USC game. He's not a good gameday coach. He's not very smart Im afraid. The timeout vs Baylor was just another glaring example of a deer caught in the headlights.

I think you're being a prisoner of the moment because of last night's debacle. It was bad, sure, but all things considered since 2000 Stoops has proven that he is about as good as it is regarding game day coaching. Check his record against ranked teams and you will see that too.

The Big 12 has probably been the 2nd best conference since 2004 (your reference dating back to the USC loss), and a couple of those years they've arguably been the best. Considering Stoops has owned the league since then, it's hard to make an argument that he should get canned.

As for the Baylor gaffe, yeah that was bad. But no coach is infallible. They are all human, after all. Every coach has made a mistake like that one time or another, even the great ones.

Our 2000 title was a gift. If we played Miami, which would occur now, it would have been another Big Bob Blowout. Not a chance we would have hung with that team.

Considering Miami didn't finish the regular season undefeated, and barely defeated Florida State (despite being outplayed), I'm not near as confident they would've beaten OU in 2000 as you are.
 
OU has Reggie Smith, Quinton Carter, Dominique Franks, Brodney Pool & Jonathan Nelson in NFL rosters.

How many does Alabama, LSU, Florida or USC have? Doubt it's more than 5 each. OU has the same talent as the other big boys.

Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.

OU hasn't had near the talent in the secondary that Alabama and LSU have had recently, and I believe both do have more players currently in the NFL (and absolutely have more NFL starters).

Annual games vs. Iowa State and kansas (and a soon to be Snyderless ksu when he eventually retires for good) will definitely be a more challenging schedule for OU going forward. WVU's last second win over a 5-win USF team was pretty impressive, too...
 
OU has Reggie Smith, Quinton Carter, Dominique Franks, Brodney Pool & Jonathan Nelson in NFL rosters.

How many does Alabama, LSU, Florida or USC have? Doubt it's more than 5 each. OU has the same talent as the other big boys.

Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.

It's not like the Big 12 is adding the Steelers and Packers. West Virginia and TCU are upgrades over Mizzou and A&M, but it's not something OU can't handle. I don't think its a foregone conclusion that the new-era Big 12 will be consistently tougher, anyways (when comparing to the pre-realignment Big 12). Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M weren't world beaters, but when you factor in Nebraska I think it's debatable when concerning which Big 12 makeup will be tougher. Only time will tell.

It remains to be seen whether Stoops can win the conference going forward. Considering he's done it in years in which the Big 12 was arguably the best conference in the country, I have faith he'll get it done again too.
 
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TCU is turning into a giant. They have been quietly creeping up the top 25 recruiting rankings even before joining the Big XII. West Virginia just won their conference again and is off to another BCS Bowl.

Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri & A&M have combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever. West Virginia & TCU have won 3 and will possibly both be going to BCS bowls again this season. Nebraska had a run of success in the 90s that exaggerates their greatness. Did you know that no coach at Nebraska has a winning record vs OU since the 1940s? Other than the Tommie Frazier teams Nebraska always lost against top 10 teams outside the Big 8.
 
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OU hasn't had near the talent in the secondary that Alabama and LSU have had recently, and I believe both do have more players currently in the NFL (and absolutely have more NFL starters).

Annual games vs. Iowa State and kansas (and a soon to be Snyderless ksu when he eventually retires for good) will definitely be a more challenging schedule for OU going forward. WVU's last second win over a 5-win USF team was pretty impressive, too...

When discussing the NFL, are you specifically referring to NFL players and starters in the secondary, or overall? Because I'm pretty sure Stoops has more starters and more players on NFL rosters than Bama does. However given the amount of NFL talent Saban currently has right now, I expect that to change in the near future.

And good point about West Virginia. They're a solid program and an upgrade over A&M, but it's not like they are a juggernaut or anything. They haven't been an elite team since 2007.
 
TCU is turning into a giant. They have been quietly creeping up the top 25 recruiting rankings even before joining the Big XII. West Virginia just won their conference again and is off to another BCS Bowl.

Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri & A&M have combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever. West Virginia & TCU have won 3 and will possibly both be going to BCS bowls again this season.

Keep in mind that TCU and West Virginia have been playing in softer leagues, where BCS appearances are easier.

Make no mistake about it TCU and West Virginia collectively are upgrades over the A&M/Missouri duo (mainly due to A&M's ineptitude). But I expect TCU and West Virginia's BCS appearances to take a slide. They are good programs, but it's nothing Stoops can't handle.
 
Bob Stoops has won seven Big XII championships, his record vs. top 25 teams in 44-18, and his career win/loss is 138-34. His is one of the three best coaches in college football, and one disappointing season does not change that.

The team that creamed us last night was possibly the best that OSU will ever have; where as, Oklahoma was playing with a first year offensive play-caller and a roster depleted by injuries. I do not mean to discredit what OSU has done this year, I believe that they deserve a shot at LSU, but anyone who believes that Bob Stoops career is over is ignorant and obsessed with tacky anecdotal evidence.

Edit: Stoops has also played in 4 national championship games in one decade (40%). It's true that his record in those games is 1-3, but that's one of those problems you'd like to have.
 
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Bob Stoops has won seven Big XII championships, his record vs. top 25 teams in 44-18, and his career win/loss is 138-34. His is one of the three best coaches in college football, and one disappointing season does not change that.

The team that creamed us last night was possibly the best that OSU will ever have; where as, Oklahoma was playing with a first year offensive play-caller and a roster depleted by injuries. I do not mean to discredit what OSU has done this year, I believe that they deserve a shot at LSU, but anyone who believes that Bob Stoops career is over is ignorant and obsessed with tacky anecdotal evidence.

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Sheesh. A lot of misinformation in this thread.

I just want to add this.....don't assume that because Bama/LSU/UF/USC holds a team to 24 points or whatever, that they have figured out the spread, or even stopped it. Did USC stop Oregon this year when they gave up 500 yards and 35 points? Did LSU and Bama stop the Tebow-spread that UF had for a few years? Keep in mind that those SEC teams run the ball more, keep the clock running, and therefore having fewer possessions in general. Lower yardage, or lower points per game doesn't really tell you how much more efficient, or not, they have been.

And truth be told, I don't think those defenses stopped OU. Not against LSU, and not against UF. Injuries, simple player mistakes/miscues, and a conservative game plan did us in as much as anything.
 
TCU is turning into a giant. They have been quietly creeping up the top 25 recruiting rankings even before joining the Big XII. West Virginia just won their conference again and is off to another BCS Bowl.

Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri & A&M have combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever. West Virginia & TCU have won 3 and will possibly both be going to BCS bowls again this season. Nebraska had a run of success in the 90s that exaggerates their greatness. Did you know that no coach at Nebraska has a winning record vs OU since the 1940s? Other than the Tommie Frazier teams Nebraska always lost against top 10 teams outside the Big 8.

West Virginia just earned a tie in a mid-major level conference on a last-second field goal over a 5-win team.

Nice spin on the "combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever." Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and A&M are far more historically relevant than TCU and West Virginia.
 
I don't like the spread offense. I'm sorry, I just enjoy seeing teams hold onto the ball and create long, meaningful scoring drives. I enjoy seeing points go on the board and six or seven minutes coming off of it.

I just don't like the spread offense. It's not us. We're Oklahoma. We run the ball. We've been running it since Tom Stidham took us to the Orange Bowl in the late 30s. I like whipping the guy in front of you and running through the hole. I abhor depending on the variables of the passing game. I like knowing a good seal by the guard is the difference between one yard or five yards. I hate depending on a good snap in the Pistol, a good cut by the receiver, a good throw by the quarterback and a good catch by the receiver.

It's just not my style of football. I like a touchdown to mean something. If Georgia Tech only had a defense it'd be like I was five years old again. Nice tackle, Sonny Brown.
 
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