Bedlam

[skyvue]

Do you think you are totally without bias when you watch OSU basketball?

Do you think you are?

 

[HoHum]

Do you think you are?

Not at all, I'm biased towards OSU, and it jades my observations a bit, sure.

Naturally, I would think every fan has certain teams/schools that they dislike more than others, and I would assume that would affect one's opinion of a team, even if subconsciously. I know it changes mine.

 

[StatGeek]

Lol @ OSU fans, always so quick to get pumped up. I remember after the "great" FSU loss in the football opener, all the OSU fans I know were certain that OSU now reloads instead of rebuilds, havent heard that at all over the last 2 months. Same thing will happen with basketball after a 6-10 type big 12 season.

With that said, I will say that the only OSU game I have seen this season was the TU game and they actually looked organized for the first time in a long time, so I can see why they are thinking positively. But I will stick with using Fords horrendous track record as the best indicator of what we can expect for the future. For instance, How did OSU hoops look at this time a year ago and how did it end?

 

[coolm]

I've watched OSUx play 2 games and part of a third and I didn't think they looked that bad. Just as good as OU looked except for the 2nd and 3rd games at Atlantis.

I do think OU's ceiling is probably higher but that doesn't mean such improvement will come to fruition. A split in the series wouldnt surprise me at all and if OU is lazy they can certainly lose to any of these Big-12 teams ... look at what TCU is doing right now.

 

[oSuJeff97]

KenPom and pretty much all data-based metrics are meaningless with so little data at this point.

While they are certainly not "fully baked" until January or so, they aren't "meaningless."

Some are better than others. KenPom is the best, IMO, since it ranks teams based on offensive and defensive efficiency achieved from every possession of every game. That's a TON of data, even early in the season.

There is some value that data right now. Or is it just a coincidence that Kentucky, Duke, Louisville, Virginia and Wisconsin are KenPom's top 5?

 

[oSuJeff97]

Lol @ OSU fans, always so quick to get pumped up. I remember after the "great" FSU loss in the football opener, all the OSU fans I know were certain that OSU now reloads instead of rebuilds, havent heard that at all over the last 2 months. Same thing will happen with basketball after a 6-10 type big 12 season.

Lol at bringing up football in a basketball discussion.

And where do you get "so pumped?" I've not said that we would challenge for the Big 12 or even make the NCAA tournament.

In fact, if you go back and read my responses instead of making up in your head what you think I might be saying, you'll see that I noted that OSU's apparent improvement might not even matter because the Big 12 is so good this year.

It's a real possibility that OSU has a better team than last year but finishes with a worse record.

With that said, I will say that the only OSU game I have seen this season was the TU game and they actually looked organized for the first time in a long time, so I can see why they are thinking positively. But I will stick with using Fords horrendous track record as the best indicator of what we can expect for the future. For instance, How did OSU hoops look at this time a year ago and how did it end?

Improved ball movement on offense and better team defense (having healthy Cobbins and then Anthony Allen/Mitchell Solomon is a HUGE improvement) is apparent to anyone who has watched us this year.

There is certainly nobody on the team with Smart's level of talent, but removing him from the team (and adding some quality depth) seems to have removed the "stand around and wait for Smart (or Brown) to do something" offense that we were running all of last year.

But to the final point, I've said multiple times in multiple threads that I don't trust Ford.

 

[BigTime]

Aggy has and will always Aggy

 

[WTSooner]

And where do you get "so pumped?" I've not said that we would challenge for the Big 12 or even make the NCAA tournament.

So OU is was a preseason what, top 15 team? And you are saying OSU might not make the tourney.

But I'm crazy for suggesting a sweep?

 

[DenverSooner]

It's a real possibility that OSU has a better team than last year

I find this hard to believe. Brown and Smart were pretty good players. To me you don't easily replace guys like that. With that said, I will certainly acknowledge you would know a lot more about OSU than I would.

 

[Price is Right]

I think OSU is a solid team. Down from last year but still capable of beating good teams and I love forte... Guys the big 12 is looking scary good right now I'm not sure a team finishing 6-10 in this conference can be considered "trash" there will be no easy outs every game will be a battle. I'm fairly confident at the end of the season OU, Kansas, Texas, Iowa State will finish at the top (not implying that's the order but it would be nice

After that I wouldn't even know where to begin. K-State, WVU, Baylor, TCU, Tech, OSU all look solid early with proven guys returning for all those squads.

All this being said I fully expect our boys to come prepared and sweep little brother this season.

 

[skyvue]

Brown and Smart were pretty good players. To me you don't easily replace guys like that.

They're just going to have spread the flopping around among the returning players. Sometimes it's good to have a team that doesn't have a go-to flopper, one on which, on a given night, any one of four or five guys could could go off for three or four flops.

 

[CarlWeathers]

Good one just a year too late. Keep on harping though. Keep the rivalry alive and well, more fun that way.

 

[skyvue]

Good one just a year too late. Keep on harping though. Keep the rivalry alive and well, more fun that way.

It wasn't particularly clever, but late it was not. It wouldn't have made any sense a year ago.

 

[KBaden145]

They're just going to have spread the flopping around among the returning players. Sometimes it's good to have a team that doesn't have a go-to flopper, one on which, on a given night, any one of four or five guys could could go off for three or four flops.

This is funny...


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[KBaden145]

A few thoughts on this...
I've seen 2 of their games and parts of almost all the rest including the exhibitions.

The PG, Hickey, they brought in is a nice player and probably in the top half of the conference at that position. A true point, real good defender, and takes care of the ball. A step up from the previous guy at the position but not in the same world as a player.
Forte is improved. He's really defending hard and has really expanded his offensive game. My favorite player on their team.
Nash is Nash. National media and their fans have been trying to talk this guy into an all-Big 12 player for years but he is what he is...a nice player.
Cobbins makes a difference although not as much as their fans would have you believe. He's a solid defender and really helps them in the half court defensively but not much of an offensive threat. He is about what he was prior to being injured.
Allen has given them some length and shot blocking off the bench they haven't had in years. Very athletic but not very skilled at all.
The rest of their rotation are just guys. They're playing hard on defense and doing what they can.
To summarize, they have a fairly limited ceiling but are really playing well. Very good defensively and they're using it to get easy baskets. As competition improves, they'll run into the same problems that coach always seems to have; struggle to score in the half court, rebounding, and an effectively short bench. They will struggle mightily to score in the half court when Forte is on the bench. He is by far the best thing they have going on that side of the court. As teams game plan for him, I expect to see his numbers fall off. Tulsa is by far the best team they've played and honestly not that good. They will have a very difficult time getting to .500 in this league but so will a lot of teams. I put them right behind WVU and KState with TCU and maybe Baylor, although I haven't seen Baylor yet.


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[CarlWeathers]

Well the flopper is gone. He was the only one on the team that flopped. So yeah a flopping joke referencing a team with no one who flops, would be a year too late.

 

[pnkranger]

OSU's schedule is embarrassing. Ken Pom thinks it's one of the 20 worst schedules in the country. Rpi says bottom 100. It stinks.

 

[skyvue]

Well the flopper is gone. He was the only one on the team that flopped. So yeah a flopping joke referencing a team with no one who flops, would be a year too late.

I'm not eager to belabor this, but I quoted a previous post that referred to Smart, stating that you don't easily replace a guy like that. So I riffed on that a bit to create my little jab of a post.

One frequently sees posts in which someone opines as to whether and how a team will manage to replace a departed player's primary contribution, whether it be points, rebounds, or blocks. So I mused in sarcastic fashion about how oswho will replace Smart's flops this season.

Surely you can now see how that really wouldn't have made sense a year ago, when no one even knew for sure that Smart would leave after his sophomore season and his reputation for flopping wasn't yet in full flower.

Having toiled to explain that to you, i now suspect that whatever smidgen of wit and humor was once found in my post is spoiled but good. As E. B. White put it in 1941, "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind."

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

I'm not eager to belabor this, but I quoted a previous post that referred to Smart, stating that you don't easily replace a guy like that. So I riffed on that a bit to create my little jab of a post.

One frequently sees posts in which someone opines as to whether and how a team will manage to replace a departed player's primary contribution, whether it be points, rebounds, or blocks. So I mused in sarcastic fashion about how oswho will replace Smart's flops this season.

Surely you can now see how that really wouldn't have made sense a year ago, when no one even knew for sure that Smart would leave after his sophomore season and his reputation for flopping wasn't yet in full flower.

Having toiled to explain that to you, i now suspect that whatever smidgen of wit and humor was once found in my post is spoiled but good. As E. B. White put it in 1941, "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind."

I appreciated it.


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[BigTime]

Well the flopper is gone. He was the only one on the team that flopped. So yeah a flopping joke referencing a team with no one who flops, would be a year too late.

It was a joke when you pretended to be an OU fan when we were good and your team was intoxicated on pain killers #SeanShared