Bedlam

[skyvue]

I appreciated it.

Bless you, Mr. Palms.

 

[DenverSooner]

They're just going to have spread the flopping around among the returning players. Sometimes it's good to have a team that doesn't have a go-to flopper, one on which, on a given night, any one of four or five guys could could go off for three or four flops.

It is fun to make fun of Marcus Smart and his flopping but he was a really good college basketball player. One of the best during his time and I actually liked Brown as much.

 

[JDSooners]

Any updates to the KenPom ratings?

Think home field advantage is worth anything?

poke choke

 

[BigTime]

Any updates to the KenPom ratings?

Think home field advantage is worth anything?

poke choke

Hopefully Jeff will keep us abreast of Pom's latest figures.

 

[JDSooners]

Have you watched us play? Have you looked at the KenPom ratings?

If the answer is no on both counts, I think you might be surprised.

Didn't realize OSU was playing, watching a very boring TCU-ISU foottball game instead, but hey surprised the cocks handed it to the pokes

 

[oSuJeff97]

I don't care about basketball any more, because we're good at football again.



Seriously though, terrible effort by OSU on Saturday. Nobody could hit a shot. The team looked like they were sleepwalking the entire time.

And it didn't help that South Carolina played easily their best game of the year, in terms of hitting shots.

So, oh well, move on. We'll see if that game was the aberration or the pattern over the next few weeks.

The game at Memphis and the game at home against Maryland will be telling.

 

[BigTime]

I don't care about basketball any more, because we're good at football again.



Seriously though, terrible effort by OSU on Saturday. Nobody could hit a shot. The team looked like they were sleepwalking the entire time.

And it didn't help that South Carolina played easily their best game of the year, in terms of hitting shots.

So, oh well, move on. We'll see if that game was the aberration or the pattern over the next few weeks.

The game at Memphis and the game at home against Maryland will be telling.

Memphis is terrible.

 

[DenverSooner]

I don't care about basketball any more, because we're good at football again.



Seriously though, terrible effort by OSU on Saturday. Nobody could hit a shot. The team looked like they were sleepwalking the entire time.

And it didn't help that South Carolina played easily their best game of the year, in terms of hitting shots.

So, oh well, move on. We'll see if that game was the aberration or the pattern over the next few weeks.

The game at Memphis and the game at home against Maryland will be telling.

I watched most of your basketball game and all of your (we don't claim any part of that one) football game. Your basketball team did not remotely look better than last year's team to me. I just don't see where you are going to get your offense. Forte is a really good role player but he needs guys that can create their own shot so that he can be open deep. What I saw yesterday he didn't have a lot of looks.


Maybe that football game was payback for OU winning ugly the last two years.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I watched most of your basketball game and all of your (we don't claim any part of that one) football game. Your basketball team did not remotely look better than last year's team to me. I just don't see where you are going to get your offense. Forte is a really good role player but he needs guys that can create their own shot so that he can be open deep. What I saw yesterday he didn't have a lot of looks.

Well, you watched the worst 60 minutes of basketball that OSU has played this year. It's not like South Carolina is some great team. I would take Tulsa over them on a neutral court, and we handled Tulsa just fine.

If I only watched OU play in the Creighton game, I probably wouldn't think much of them, but I've watched them play several other games and so I know that the collapse in that game is probably the abberation.

Forte was leading the Big 12 in scoring going into the game... that's pretty good for a "role player." He got off 14 shots in the game, so I don't know if I would agree that he "wasn't getting looks"... he just wasn't making shots. Those nights happen.

Nash was pretty bad as well. Any team will look ugly when their two leading scorers combine to go 5 for 29. Both of those guys are better than that.

Maybe that football game was payback for OU winning ugly the last two years.

I still haven't processed that we actually won the game. I was as sure that we would lose this year as I was sure we would win last year... and the opposite happened in both instances. Weird.

 

[MisterF]

The good news... both teams are competitive again...which makes hoops lots more fun for the entire two fan bases!!

 

[BigTime]

The good news... both teams are competitive again...which makes hoops lots more fun for the entire two fan bases!!

This post would have made more sense last year or two years ago....

Really not ready to call OSU, "competitive" yet.

They have played a terrible schedule. Beat a decent Tulsa team in front of 5 fans to win a crappy tournament. They are on track to be a doormat in the Big 12...

 

[BoulderSooner]

If I only watched OU play in the Creighton game, I probably wouldn't think much of them, but I've watched them play several other games and so I know that the collapse in that game is probably the abberation.

most people if they had only watched that game would think that OU played very well for about 24 min terrilbe for 16 and somehow still almost won on the road in front of 16k + people ...

 

[BigTime]

most people if they had only watched that game would think that OU played very well for about 24 min terrilbe for 16 and somehow still almost won on the road in front of 16k + people ...

Exactly.

 

[AdaSooner]

Lol at bringing up football in a basketball discussion.

And where do you get "so pumped?" I've not said that we would challenge for the Big 12 or even make the NCAA tournament.

In fact, if you go back and read my responses instead of making up in your head what you think I might be saying, you'll see that I noted that OSU's apparent improvement might not even matter because the Big 12 is so good this year.

It's a real possibility that OSU has a better team than last year but finishes with a worse record.



Improved ball movement on offense and better team defense (having healthy Cobbins and then Anthony Allen/Mitchell Solomon is a HUGE improvement) is apparent to anyone who has watched us this year.

There is certainly nobody on the team with Smart's level of talent, but removing him from the team (and adding some quality depth) seems to have removed the "stand around and wait for Smart (or Brown) to do something" offense that we were running all of last year.

But to the final point, I've said multiple times in multiple threads that I don't trust Ford.

Jeff, there is no one Smart or Brown's equal on this year's team. You have four "good" players: Forte, Nash, Cobbins and Hickey. Beyond that, you have to believe someone will step up at some point during the season to give you a reliable seven or eight man rotation.

The pieces appear to be there on paper. But if I was a Poke fan, nothing I have seen so far would give me much confidence that the light is going to come on with anyone else. Your fifth man, Newberry, is averaging 7 ppg and 3.8 rebounds. Allen is doing a good job on the boards with an average of 6. That's it. The next best player statistically is averaging 4.6 ppg.

With eleven players logging double digit minutes, it's possible that Travis may not be giving your back up players enough playing time. Seems to me he needs to settle on his best 8 or 9 at some point and go with them to speed up their development.

 

[DenverSooner]

Well, you watched the worst 60 minutes of basketball that OSU has played this year. It's not like South Carolina is some great team. I would take Tulsa over them on a neutral court, and we handled Tulsa just fine.

Do Aggies play longer games than the rest of the country or are you just trying to reinforce the stereotype that you guys are illiterate rednecks? (I couldn't resist, I realize it was just a mistake)

The fact that South Carolina isn't a great team is sort of my point. I just really find it hard to believe OSU is better without Smart and Brown. We will certainly see over the next four months.

 

[KBaden145]

Do Aggies play longer games than the rest of the country or are you just trying to reinforce the stereotype that you guys are illiterate rednecks? (I couldn't resist, I realize it was just a mistake)



The fact that South Carolina isn't a great team is sort of my point. I just really find it hard to believe OSU is better without Smart and Brown. We will certainly see over the next four months.

They got beat so bad it felt like 60 minutes.


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[thebigabd]

If Forte and Nash play well, they will be tough. If Forte and Nash struggle, they will get slammed. I expect an up and down year for the Cowboys. One week they will look pretty good because Forte will hit 6 or 7 3's, then he will have a 1-10 game like he did at South Carolina and they will lose by 20.

 

[bigredrl]

I guess we will find out a little more when we play Tulsa at 1:30pm on
Sat. this week. I think what it amounts to is that Tulsa has improved! I am not in the mood to brag about OU sports, but I feel that we will finish either 1st or second in the Conf. Finishing 2nd would not be an improvement from last year. Travis verses Lon is really not a contest! But that is why we play the game.
BOOMER!

 

[AdaSooner]

I guess we will find out a little more when we play Tulsa at 1:30pm on
Sat. this week. I think what it amounts to is that Tulsa has improved! I am not in the mood to brag about OU sports, but I feel that we will finish either 1st or second in the Conf. Finishing 2nd would not be an improvement from last year. Travis verses Lon is really not a contest! But that is why we play the game.
BOOMER!

IMO, finishing second this season should be thought of as an improvement over last season. Why? The Big 12 is a much tougher conference than last year.

I doubt if many on this board will disagree that the Big 12 is not only better, it may be the best conference, top to bottom, in the country. It's going to be a lot harder for home teams to hold serve, and even tougher to steal one on the road. Thus, any team that finishes in the top three will have to survive a gauntlet of some of the toughest competition college basketball has to offer this season.

I would take a second place finish right now and be thrilled with the results.

 

[usedtobe1]

IMO, finishing second this season should be thought of as an improvement over last season. Why? The Big 12 is a much tougher conference than last year.

I doubt if many on this board will disagree that the Big 12 is not only better, it may be the best conference, top to bottom, in the country. It's going to be a lot harder for home teams to hold serve, and even tougher to steal one on the road. Thus, any team that finishes in the top three will have to survive a gauntlet of some of the toughest competition college basketball has to offer this season.

I would take a second place finish right now and be thrilled with the results.

I agree. The overall strength of teams seems to be much improved, so there doesn't appear to be any automatic wins like TCU and Tech. Huggins finally seems to have WVU on track, Tubby is in his second year, and TCU is the only undefeated team in non-conference play. We have 5 teams ranked in the top 25 and Baylor isn't one of the teams. KSU has the worst record and they're returning a lot of good players (e.g. Foster). I think Kansas, Iowa State, and Texas in that order wll be tough to beat, and 2nd place would be a great finish.