Boren to decide OU's conference fate within 3 weeks

[stoops4pres]

I don't think conference affiliation really has a whole lot to do with academics (other than the Big 10 with the CIC). Washington State and Oregon State aren't exactly academic powerhouses...

It has a lot to do with Boren's mindset.

If OU joined the Pac-12, their donor $$ would increase exponentially, which matters much more from a financial standpoint than some people realize.

 

[triplefatty]

this clown needs to be booted off the forum....I sure hope no one offended by above statements.

Somebody give this d-bag a pacifier. Go cry somewhere else.

With all due respect to you, I am a big 12 legend. Back the **** and try to argue my points, or go away.

 

[Sawyer]

With all due respect to you, I am a big 12 legend. Back the f*ck and try to argue my points, or piss off.

Soon to be Big East legend.

Not sure what you said in that last post to piss him off so much.

 

[DenverSooner]

I have a feeling Stoops is driving this discussion.

He wants to further open the California recruiting pipeline. Can't say I blame him. I just wish there was a way for Kansas to come instead of OSU or Texas Tech. Frankly I would take Houston over Texas Tech too. You put Houston in the Pac-16 and that would assist TV ratings from Houston whereas Tech brings nothing to the table.

Clearly you don't know much about David Boren. Bob Stoops is not driving this discussion. I am sure his opinion is valued but Boren and the regents are driving this discussion.

 

[Hecubus]

Yeah, because the mission of the University of Oklahoma (educate everyone) and Stanford University (educate the privileged few) are totally in-line.

You example is a poor one. Having the privileged few actually be privileged is one of the hallmarks of capitalism. They deserve to have better stuff than you, live longer than you, and have a better life because they earned it. The whole point of capitalism is to build up unfair advantages so wealth accumulates to the few (i.e., "me and my rich friends" ) and assumes the pool of wealth is limited so we keep you out of it by all means neccessary. "Fair" == Socialism. Also, no college "educates everyone", if that were true college would be free and have no entrance requirements.

...so unfortunately for you and your universities this is all about what is best for OU in terms of prestige, money and situation and not at all about being charitable, considerate and socialist towards the lesser universities in our conference.

 

[WTSooner]

If OU joined the Pac-12, their donor $$ would increase exponentially,

Why? The conference affiliation of the school I got my college degree from means NOTHING to me in terms of donating money.

I think the academic side of this is being overplayed.

 

[qwertyqaz]

Soon to be Big East legend.

Not sure what you said in that last post to piss him off so much.

In fairness sawyer, I think tf's original post was edited.

 

[stoops4pres]

Why? The conference affiliation of the school I got my college degree from means NOTHING to me in terms of donating money.

I think the academic side of this is being overplayed.

Not everyone has your mentality.

It's presumed that when an institution joins a more prestigious conference academically, the donor $$, research $$, etc. proliferates. The number of opportunities are simply greater.

It's your opinion that the academic side is getting "overplayed". I'll agree to disagree, simply because academics brings more to the table than a conference's football affiliation. I think that academic stature is the primary reason why Boren & Co. are inquiring the Pac-10 rather than the SEC.

 

[bocabull]

Having the privileged few actually be privileged is one of the hallmarks of capitalism. They deserve to have better stuff than you, live longer than you, and have a better life because they earned it. The whole point of capitalism is to build up unfair advantages so wealth accumulates to the few (i.e., "me and my rich friends" ) and assumes the pool of wealth is limited so we keep you out of it by all means neccessary. "Fair" == Socialism.

I smell a rube.

 

[thebigabd]

Why would anyone care about the academic reputation of a school you are playing against in football?

When TU (a great academic institution) plays against Memphis (a school with a low academic reputation), I don't think that their kids are unworthy to play, nor does it ever cross my mind. I just hope TU wins.

Besides, scholarship athletes are probably the same (in terms of intelligence, academic ability) at Memphis as they are at OU. Its not like OU's athletes are scholars that shouldnt be playing against idiots from Kansas State, lol.

 

[WTSooner]

Why would anyone care about the academic reputation of a school you are playing against in football?

When TU (a great academic institution) plays against Memphis (a school with a low academic reputation), I don't think that their kids are unworthy to play, nor does it ever cross my mind. I just hope TU wins.

Besides, scholarship athletes are probably the same (in terms of intelligence, academic ability) at Memphis as they are at OU. Its not like OU's athletes are scholars that shouldnt be playing against idiots from Kansas State, lol.

This.

 

[stoops4pres]

Why would anyone care about the academic reputation of a school you are playing against in football?

When TU (a great academic institution) plays against Memphis (a school with a low academic reputation), I don't think that their kids are unworthy to play, nor does it ever cross my mind. I just hope TU wins.

Besides, scholarship athletes are probably the same (in terms of intelligence, academic ability) at Memphis as they are at OU. Its not like OU's athletes are scholars that shouldnt be playing against idiots from Kansas State, lol.

Don't know if this response was directed at me, but I'll just say that this is not related to what I am saying.

OU's interest in a conference's academic standing has little to do with how their student athletes compare to other institutions' student athletes from an intelligence standpoint. Like you said, the majority of student athletes everywhere in the FBS aren't exactly Rhodes scholars. OU is primarily interested in affiliating with a conference with more academic clout, because it presents more opportunities for the betterment of the university. Simple as that.

The academic stature of the Pac-10 is one of the primary reasons why OU is more interested as opposed to the SEC. Academic standing isn't the only reason, but it is one of the main ones.

 

[bocabull]

The academic stature of the Pac-10 is one of the primary reasons why OU is more interested as opposed to the SEC. Academic standing isn't the only reason, but it is one of the main ones.

Exactly. When you go down the list everything favors the pac.

In order of importance:

1. Revenue Potential - media market size
2. Recruiting base
3. Academic Standing

 

[thebigabd]

OU is primarily interested in affiliating with a conference with more academic clout, because it presents more opportunities for the betterment of the university. Simple as that.

How?

The academic stature of the Pac-10 is one of the primary reasons why OU is more interested as opposed to the SEC.

Pac-10 is easier for football, and could make just as much money. I bet those are the only actual reasons.

 

[boksooner]

How?



Pac-10 is easier for football, and could make just as much money. I bet those are the only actual reasons.

So you think Boren is lying when he says that academics will be a key factor in deciding which conference to affiliate with?

 

[thebigabd]

So you think Boren is lying when he says that academics will be a key factor in deciding which conference to affiliate with?

That doesnt answer my question.

 

[boksooner]

That doesnt answer my question.

And yours didn't answer mine.


By the way, the question of how conference affiliation affects academics has already been explained. Reread the thread and you can find it (hint: it is the post about shared research and inter-library loans). I saw a report that OU has pledged to reach AAU status within the next 10 years as a condition of admittance into the Pac-12. I know that is one of Boren's ultimate goals.

If nothing else, being in the Pac-12 could increase the amount of money the athletic department donates to academics, which leads to increased research spending, which leads to increased academic prestige.

 

[WTSooner]

2. Recruiting base

Proof?

Because I actually think that there are better athletes in the SEC states then just about anybody. Especially if we're talking linemen. Would love to see how the ESPN top 100 players is broken down by state. Of course, Texas will remain our best option.

 

[triplefatty]

You example is a poor one. Having the privileged few actually be privileged is one of the hallmarks of capitalism. They deserve to have better stuff than you, live longer than you, and have a better life because they earned it. The whole point of capitalism is to build up unfair advantages so wealth accumulates to the few (i.e., "me and my rich friends" ) and assumes the pool of wealth is limited so we keep you out of it by all means neccessary. "Fair" == Socialism. Also, no college "educates everyone", if that were true college would be free and have no entrance requirements.

...so unfortunately for you and your universities this is all about what is best for OU in terms of prestige, money and situation and not at all about being charitable, considerate and socialist towards the lesser universities in our conference.

Fantastic. Good for you. Maybe some day Stanford will let you pet their dog.

 

[WTSooner]

Proof?

Because I actually think that there are better athletes in the SEC states then just about anybody. Especially if we're talking linemen. Would love to see how the ESPN top 100 players is broken down by state. Of course, Texas will remain our best option.

2012 Class

# of top 50 players from PAC-10 states: 8

# of top 50 players from SEC states: 23

# of top 50 players from Big 12 states: 8


Which goes back to my comment last week about the SEC having better players, top to bottom, then any other conference.